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Basically a thread about why range sucks

 

the answer to that is

 

Crappy updates/Weapons/Armour

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[hide=Javalins]Not much to say here other than they suck! :D[/hide]

 

[hide=Darts]Knives with less power and more expensive :wall:[/hide]

 

[hide=Longbows]lol fail. #-o[/hide]

 

[hide=Thrownaxes]Rune axe is useful for waterbirth and that is all?[/hide]

 

[hide=Crystal bow]Is beat in every possible way by the rune crossbow with an unholy book. (not to mention the degrading)[/hide]

 

[hide=Karils]Before the December 2007 Wilderness updates, many Karil's rangers would go to the Wilderness Agility Course and lower the Agility of the target, making them unable to escape. Some rangers in PvP worlds still use this tactic. Many rangers have asked for the set effect to be changed. Nevertheless, it is considered to have little to no use in most other situations.

 

 

Armour: Only use for karils is magic defence, anything else is total and complete waste of cash[/hide]

 

[hide=Hand Cannon]Made me Rofl

 

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Good things:

 

 

 

Rune crossbow- always the best way to train if you cant chin, Good hits and accurate

 

 

 

Chins- Best way to train :D

 

 

 

Range could be so much more, but Jagex fails to produce an even mediocre update for range.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I will update this more after supper

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I fought Jad with a crystal bow 9/10. I did better with it than a crossbow w/ diamond bolts.

 

 

 

Also, there was a time before crossbows.

 

 

 

There was a time when Jagex released good updates too.....

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I fought Jad with a crystal bow 9/10. I did better with it than a crossbow w/ diamond bolts.

 

 

 

Also, there was a time before crossbows.

 

 

 

There was a time when Jagex released good updates too.....

 

Not sure if there was a time where people didn't complain about them though.

 

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Yeah range does not have much variety, unless you want to use a bunch of over priced weak weapons.

 

 

 

I think that Jagex could fix many of these problems:

 

 

 

Range ammy: It's fine like it is.

 

 

 

Javelins: Boost there range strength 2x, add melee stats to them, and allow them to be able to be used in both melee and range.

 

 

 

Darts: Double the amount of dart tips that are created by smithing a bar, and half the amount of feathers they need to fletch.

 

 

 

Long bows: Boost there accuracy by 50%.

 

 

 

Throwing axes: Raise all there range strengths by 2x, and reduce the amount of spec bar used for the Rune throwing axe special.

 

 

 

Crystal Bow:make it so that the bow does not weaken as it is used, and allow people to recharge the bot at any percentage.

 

 

 

Karil's: Give it a better spec.

 

 

 

Hand cannon: A spec that makes your weapon disintegrate? Ummmm NO! What was Jagex thinking here! I mean seriously! :wall: #-o :wall:

 

Make it so IT DOES NOT BREAK, it's that simple! If Jagex Realllllllly want it to break they could have easily made it degrade over time, that way people could actually USE it.

 

 

 

 

 

There you have, simple fixes that even a preschooler could have thought of. So if a preschooler could come up with that, then just how smart is Jamflax?

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Hand cannon: A spec that makes your weapon disintegrate? Ummmm NO! What was Jagex thinking here! I mean seriously! :wall: #-o :wall:

 

Make it so IT DOES NOT BREAK, it's that simple! If Jagex Realllllllly want it to break they could have easily made it degrade over time, that way people could actually USE it.

 

That would make it absurdly overpowered. The ammo has 150 ranged strength. That's more than the melee strength of a godsword. And it's apparently a common enough drop.

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Hand cannon: A spec that makes your weapon disintegrate? Ummmm NO! What was Jagex thinking here! I mean seriously! :wall: #-o :wall:

 

Make it so IT DOES NOT BREAK, it's that simple! If Jagex Realllllllly want it to break they could have easily made it degrade over time, that way people could actually USE it.

 

That would make it absurdly overpowered. The ammo has 150 ranged strength. That's more than the melee strength of a godsword. And it's apparently a common enough drop.

 

 

 

What is the max hit of it? more than AGS?

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Hand cannon: A spec that makes your weapon disintegrate? Ummmm NO! What was Jagex thinking here! I mean seriously! :wall: #-o :wall:

 

Make it so IT DOES NOT BREAK, it's that simple! If Jagex Realllllllly want it to break they could have easily made it degrade over time, that way people could actually USE it.

 

That would make it absurdly overpowered. The ammo has 150 ranged strength. That's more than the melee strength of a godsword. And it's apparently a common enough drop.

 

 

 

What is the max hit of it? more than AGS?

 

 

 

55 I believe.

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Sure they blow up, but they're fun and they hit hard. Don't take it so seriously. It's not a very popular method for PVP, but in PVM it's okay. I don't really range much either.

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Hand cannon: A spec that makes your weapon disintegrate? Ummmm NO! What was Jagex thinking here! I mean seriously! :wall: #-o :wall:

 

Make it so IT DOES NOT BREAK, it's that simple! If Jagex Realllllllly want it to break they could have easily made it degrade over time, that way people could actually USE it.

 

That would make it absurdly overpowered. The ammo has 150 ranged strength. That's more than the melee strength of a godsword. And it's apparently a common enough drop.

 

 

 

What is the max hit of it? more than AGS?

 

 

 

55 I believe.

 

I heard 58, but it's not something I've seen.

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Hand cannon: A spec that makes your weapon disintegrate? Ummmm NO! What was Jagex thinking here! I mean seriously! :wall: #-o :wall:

 

Make it so IT DOES NOT BREAK, it's that simple! If Jagex Realllllllly want it to break they could have easily made it degrade over time, that way people could actually USE it.

 

That would make it absurdly overpowered. The ammo has 150 ranged strength. That's more than the melee strength of a godsword. And it's apparently a common enough drop.

 

 

 

What is the max hit of it? more than AGS?

 

 

 

55 I believe.

 

I heard 58, but it's not something I've seen.

 

Yeah that's not higher then a God Sword, so how is it overpowered?

 

One more thing: Range str =/= melee Str.

 

Range acc =/= Melee Acc =/= Magic acc.

 

Stop confusing yourself with this.

 

 

 

 

 

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Hand cannon: A spec that makes your weapon disintegrate? Ummmm NO! What was Jagex thinking here! I mean seriously! :wall: #-o :wall:

 

Make it so IT DOES NOT BREAK, it's that simple! If Jagex Realllllllly want it to break they could have easily made it degrade over time, that way people could actually USE it.

 

That would make it absurdly overpowered. The ammo has 150 ranged strength. That's more than the melee strength of a godsword. And it's apparently a common enough drop.

 

 

 

What is the max hit of it? more than AGS?

 

 

 

55 I believe.

 

I heard 58, but it's not something I've seen.

 

Yeah that's not higher then a God Sword, so how is it overpowered?

 

One more thing: Range str =/= melee Str.

 

Range acc =/= Melee Acc =/= Magic acc.

 

Stop confusing yourself with this.

 

 

 

 

 

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Considering that you can plug ranged str into the melee max hit with the max hit ranged bonuses and get the same ranged max hit with a dbow, I'd have to disagree on the ranged str =/= melee str.

 

 

 

As for why it's OP, it's not, but it's better than the gs since it can hit from afar. It's like having a godsword but ranged. If only we could actually kite in runescape...

 

 

 

And just to ask a question, how can you know for certain that ranged attack does not go by the same combat stat equivocation as melee attack? Maybe the skills themselves add more, but this is just speculation. Have you tested the two accuracies extensively?

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Allrightie, here's an idea. A lot of choice is good. You're not actually forced to use all those things! #-o

 

 

 

Comments in the quote.

 

Basically a thread about why range sucks

 

the answer to that is

 

Crappy updates/Weapons/Armour

 

 

 

 

 

[hide=Range Ammy]Highests range attack in the game by 5 so it should be awesome right?

 

too bad the only use for it is safespotting, and its not even worth it for that since its price is so unstable. First of all, it's downright ignorant to assume that something should be overpowered. Every item should have its weaknesses so that there is an effective way to beat it. Also, why on earth fuss about the prices?! Hello! Prices are dependant on the offer and how many people want it, duhh!

 

 

 

I would like to add to this that it's only natural prices go down after the introduction of a new item. It's basic economics. Also, why would that bother you? I've lost many millions over the years due to changed prices, that's life. Get over it.[/hide]

 

[hide=Javalins]Not much to say here other than they suck! :D Doesn't mean people don't use them. They hit fairly okay for a noob weapon, and you don't have to use them.[/hide]

 

[hide=Darts]Knives with less power and more expensive :wall:Oh my god! They're expensive? Maybe that has something to do with people wanting it and a small (in comparison) offer in said items? Again, basic economics... And there's a fletching skill too you know. #-o

 

 

 

They fail because of the price? That argument is a fail, the item is not. :shame: [/hide]

 

[hide=Longbows]lol fail. #-o They have greater range and can shoot over larger obstacles. They are slower yes, but still have their purpose. Nuff said.[/hide]

 

[hide=Thrownaxes]Rune axe is useful for waterbirth and that is all?Again, what's wrong with the large range of choice in weapons? You can use them for more than just waterbirth, so I don't see the problem.[/hide]

 

[hide=Crystal bow]Is beat in every possible way by the rune crossbow with an unholy book. (not to mention the degrading)First of all, the Crystal bow was there long before the rune c'bow was even introduced! It still has its purpose and I think you just hate it because you're poor. :shame: [/hide]

 

[hide=Karils]Before the December 2007 Wilderness updates, many Karil's rangers would go to the Wilderness Agility Course and lower the Agility of the target, making them unable to escape. Some rangers in PvP worlds still use this tactic. Many rangers have asked for the set effect to be changed. Nevertheless, it is considered to have little to no use in most other situations.Oh no! Armour with purpose, how extremely outrageous! :wall:

 

Crossbow: Decent at best, but expensive and not good unless you want to whittle down a players health in pvp Again, you hate it because you're poor? Crossbows aren't expensive at all.

 

Armour: Only use for karils is magic defence, anything else is total and complete waste of cash I get it! You're too freaking poor. :wall: [/hide]

 

[hide=Hand Cannon]Made me Rofl

 

 

 

also it has a chance to break when you fire it, and the shots are 2k each Again you're ranting about your apparent poverty! Did it ever occur to you that people may just think it an awesome weapon? People that aren't poor noobs like you apparently are? So it's jealousy that drives you then... You're not forced to use any of the weapons you don't like..[/hide]

 

 

 

Good things:

 

 

 

Rune crossbow- always the best way to train, Good hits and accurate. Oh, so next to the "I'm-too-poor-for-this-so-it-sucks" ranged is good? That's just.. bleep. -.-

 

 

 

Chins- Best way to train :D

 

 

 

Range could be so much more, but Jagex fails to produce an even mediocre update for range. Well why don't you suggest something then, if you're so unhappy without providing any real arguments. :shame:

 

 

 

No comments about shortbows yet..

 

 

 

Still, my conclusion is that you're just ranting about being too poor.

 

I will update this more after supper

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Hand cannon: A spec that makes your weapon disintegrate? Ummmm NO! What was Jagex thinking here! I mean seriously! :wall: #-o :wall:

 

Make it so IT DOES NOT BREAK, it's that simple! If Jagex Realllllllly want it to break they could have easily made it degrade over time, that way people could actually USE it.

 

That would make it absurdly overpowered. The ammo has 150 ranged strength. That's more than the melee strength of a godsword. And it's apparently a common enough drop.

 

 

 

What is the max hit of it? more than AGS?

 

 

 

55 I believe.

 

I heard 58, but it's not something I've seen.

 

Yeah that's not higher then a God Sword, so how is it overpowered?

 

One more thing: Range str =/= melee Str.

 

Range acc =/= Melee Acc =/= Magic acc.

 

Stop confusing yourself with this.

 

 

 

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Considering that you can plug ranged str into the melee max hit with the max hit ranged bonuses and get the same ranged max hit with a dbow, I'd have to disagree on the ranged str =/= melee str.

 

 

 

As for why it's OP, it's not, but it's better than the gs since it can hit from afar. It's like having a godsword but ranged. If only we could actually kite in runescape...

 

 

 

If what you say is true then when I use range stats in the Tip.it melee hit calculator it should come close to what is seen in Runescape.

 

 

 

I put into the max hit calculator:

 

Set effect; Void

 

Strength lev; 99

 

Prayer; Ultimate Strength

 

Strength bonus; 150

 

 

 

The result was a max hit of 47, and that is well below what people have seen the Hand Cannon hit. How can you come to the conclusion that they are the same? If they where the same, then why don't we have a crossbow max hit calculator yet?

 

 

 

And just to ask a question, how can you know for certain that ranged attack does not go by the same combat stat equivocation as melee attack? Maybe the skills themselves add more, but this is just speculation. Have you tested the two accuracies extensively?

 

 

 

No amount of testing can bring about accurate results from this. Even if we magically figure out the math for attack, we still don't have any clue on how defense works. Each spell has it's own accuracy, so even if I spent years testing just Blood Blitz, a simple switch to Ice Burst would change everything. You know this, you know that I know this. What's your point? To say that I'm making assumptions about accuracy?

 

 

 

*edit*

 

I just put in a Super Strength Potion into the calculator, and it came out to 55 :oops:

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If they where the same, then why don't we have a crossbow max hit calculator yet?

 

 

 

Good question. :-k

 

Certain quirks in the formula pop up though. For example, a ranged attack on rapid will almost always hit less than a ranged attack on accurate. Why? Same reason why we hit less in melee with the style on accurate or defensive; accurate gives an invisible +3 ranged lvl. Rapid trades that bonus for +1 speed instead. Another quirk that I'm still trying to sort out is the tier of the ranged potion. I'm pretty sure that it's almost a tier 1.75 potion. That is to say, it's slightly weaker than a super str potion in magnitude but substantially better than a normal str potion. My last question is the position of the void bonus. The formula is as follows:

 

 

 

max hit = (Combat str)(equipment str * 0.00175 + 0.1) + 1.05

 

 

 

Combat str is the base lvl * any bonuses both visible and invisible and then adding the style bonus.

 

Equipment str is obvious.

 

 

 

The position of void:

 

If it affects ranged lvl, then it is (Combat str * void).

 

But it also can be (Equipment str * void * 0.00175 +0.1) which will give a different result as well.

 

Furthermore, some people think that it is also a +10% damage booster, applying the bonus to the original max hit to find the final max hit.

 

 

 

Although the kbase is very helpful and almost inerrant, that's just it: almost. I've done a bunch of theorycrafting and found that none of the three give the max hit of 96 to the darkbow within 0.6 damage, which leads me to believe that the max hit of ranged is slightly different than melee incorporating a rounding element that is not as prevalent in melee (max hits are rounded down in melee).

 

 

 

edit: I know I said that you can plug in ranged str and get the same max hit as in game. The reason why I'm seemingly contradicting myself is because at 96, the rounding error is much larger than at 30. What becomes a rounding difference of maybe 0.03 at 30 becomes a difference of maybe 0.3 at 76. My point is the max hit for ranged is not set in stone but plugging in numbers with the melee system works up until around 90 or so in which practicality is already out the door.

 

 

 

It works, but not as well as maybe the real formula, which could be a constant of 0.00185 and not 0.00175 for all we know.

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If they where the same, then why don't we have a crossbow max hit calculator yet?

 

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I'm sorry, but I just have to point out you keep saying Quark when I believe you mean to say quirk. It's sorta bothering me as Quarks are the building blocks of electons, protons, and neutrons and if they're in anyway involved with Runescape's gameplay, we're all in trouble.

 

 

 

Handcannon sucks. Sure, it has a high max hit, but it's slow, inaccurate, it's ammunition is monster drop only, and it has a chance to explode with every use. Furthermore, it's special is just plain awful.

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If they where the same, then why don't we have a crossbow max hit calculator yet?

 

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I'm sorry, but I just have to point out you keep saying Quark when I believe you mean to say quirk. It's sorta bothering me as Quarks are the building blocks of electons, protons, and neutrons and if they're in anyway involved with Runescape's gameplay, we're all in trouble.

 

Oh soz :wall:

 

I'm pretty sure that Quarks get their name from the unpredictability of those particles (well, maybe not protons or neutrons). Hence, Quirks and Quarks.

 

 

 

But yes, I was meaning the word that means unpredictable, friction-like errors or miscalculations that happen seemingly randomly.

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Range sucks, eh? And your reasoning is... some bad equipment? You then list some of range's most powerful weapons, lol.

 

 

 

Rune Crossbow+Dragonstone Bolts(e)??

 

You didn't even mention the Dark bow, one of the most powerful KO weapons in the game.

 

Amulet of Ranging is meh, but it's not that bad...

 

Crystal bows are for one-iteming :D

 

 

 

As for crap content, well, all three classes have that! F2P has Rune Warhammers and Shortswords. P2P melee has the Torag's set effect, and only its armor is worth using. Yah, I agree that Karil's a very lackluster... only good for the magic exp. Magic has Iban's blast, Normal Magic's Wave spells aren't very good. Hell, most of normal magics is outperformed by Ancients.

 

 

 

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Karil's is great in stats, but when it's about set effect, it sucks... Same for Torag, but Torags is slightly better.

 

 

 

As someone said, melee and mage also have a lot of useless items, like shortswords and wave spells, and only a few items are actually very good, so range isn't really that bad in terms of items.

 

 

 

I think Handcannon is more of a "fun" weapon... It's not really good, but i guess you can have lots of fun blowing up things and hitting 50's.

 

 

 

Rune c'bow, D'Bow, Chins, Rune knives and a few other items are so good they make up for all the bad range items though :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

What i agree with you in on Darts... they are weaker than Knives, AND more expensive? Doesn't make sense.

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Hand cannon is actually good for rushing in pvp because the special attack causes a delay, during which the rate of fire timer thing is ticking down. Don't really know how explain that well, but basically, after the spec, the next shot comes pretty quickly and could easily hit 80+ with maxed range, void, range pot, eagle eye all within about a second. Might be possible to link in ice blitz somehow for a devastating attack. Just a shame it blows up so much =/ It's still pretty fun to use, you just have to get the cannons and shots as drops so you don't feel like you're burning money every time it fires =D

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Hand cannon is actually good for rushing in pvp because the special attack causes a delay, during which the rate of fire timer thing is ticking down. Don't really know how explain that well, but basically, after the spec, the next shot comes pretty quickly and could easily hit 80+ with maxed range, void, range pot, eagle eye all within about a second. Might be possible to link in ice blitz somehow for a devastating attack. Just a shame it blows up so much =/ It's still pretty fun to use, you just have to get the cannons and shots as drops so you don't feel like you're burning money every time it fires =D

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Allrightie, here's an idea. A lot of choice is good. You're not actually forced to use all those things! #-o

 

 

 

Comments in the quote.

 

Basically a thread about why range sucks

 

the answer to that is

 

Crappy updates/Weapons/Armour

 

 

 

 

 

[hide=Range Ammy]Highests range attack in the game by 5 so it should be awesome right?

 

too bad the only use for it is safespotting, and its not even worth it for that since its price is so unstable. First of all, it's downright ignorant to assume that something should be overpowered. WTF? when did i say things should be overpowered??Every item should have its weaknesses so that there is an effective way to beat it. Also, why on earth fuss about the prices?! Hello! Prices are dependant on the offer and how many people want it, duhh!

 

 

 

I would like to add to this that it's only natural prices go down after the introduction of a new item. It's basic economics. Also, why would that bother you? I've lost many millions over the years due to changed prices, that's life. Get over it.[/hide]

 

[hide=Javalins]Not much to say here other than they suck! :D Doesn't mean people don't use them. They hit fairly okay for a noob weapon, and you don't have to use them.No they suck.[/hide]

 

[hide=Darts]Knives with less power and more expensive :wall:Oh my god! They're expensive? Maybe that has something to do with people wanting it and a small (in comparison) offer in said items? Again, basic economics... And there's a fletching skill too you know. #-o

 

 

 

They fail because of the price? That argument is a fail, the item is not. :shame:No the item is a fail. [/hide]

 

[hide=Longbows]lol fail. #-o They have greater range and can shoot over larger obstacles. They are slower yes, but still have their purpose. Nuff said.When you next use a longbow to train, or anything for that matter, tell me[/hide]

 

[hide=Thrownaxes]Rune axe is useful for waterbirth and that is all?Again, what's wrong with the large range of choice in weapons? You can use them for more than just waterbirth, so I don't see the problem.They suck is the problem.[/hide]

 

[hide=Crystal bow]Is beat in every possible way by the rune crossbow with an unholy book. (not to mention the degrading)First of all, the Crystal bow was there long before the rune c'bow was even introduced! It still has its purpose and I think you just hate it because you're poor. :shame: it has no purpose if it is outpreformed in everyway by cheaper alternatives?[/hide]

 

[hide=Karils]Before the December 2007 Wilderness updates, many Karil's rangers would go to the Wilderness Agility Course and lower the Agility of the target, making them unable to escape. Some rangers in PvP worlds still use this tactic. Many rangers have asked for the set effect to be changed. Nevertheless, it is considered to have little to no use in most other situations.Oh no! Armour with purpose, how extremely outrageous! :wall:

 

Crossbow: Decent at best, but expensive and not good unless you want to whittle down a players health in pvp Again, you hate it because you're poor? Crossbows aren't expensive at all.When did i ever mention it being to expensive? Learn to read.

 

Armour: Only use for karils is magic defence, anything else is total and complete waste of cash I get it! You're too freaking poor. :wall: You have no place in this thread.[/hide]

 

[hide=Hand Cannon]Made me Rofl

 

 

 

also it has a chance to break when you fire it, and the shots are 2k each Again you're ranting about your apparent poverty! Did it ever occur to you that people may just think it an awesome weapon? People that aren't poor noobs like you apparently are? So it's jealousy that drives you then... You're not forced to use any of the weapons you don't like..I don't.[/hide]

 

 

 

Good things:

 

 

 

Rune crossbow- always the best way to train, Good hits and accurate. Oh, so next to the "I'm-too-poor-for-this-so-it-sucks" ranged is good? That's just.. bleep. -.- Stop trolling.

 

 

 

Chins- Best way to train :D

 

 

 

Range could be so much more, but Jagex fails to produce an even mediocre update for range. Well why don't you suggest something then, if you're so unhappy without providing any real arguments. :shame: i Would but you might come in and start yelling about how everyone is too poor.

 

 

 

No comments about shortbows yet..

 

 

 

Still, my conclusion is that you're just ranting about being too poor.noob gtfo.

 

I will update this more after supper

 

 

 

Such a great Argument!

 

Saying i'm poor and I don't have to use that weapon

 

 

 

The point is not "dont use it if it sucks"

 

And the point is definitely not " LOLOLOLLLOL POOR NOOOB!!!1111!!1212!"

 

 

 

The point is "WHY DO MOST RANGE WEAPONS SUCK?"

 

I guess range ammy has its uses so i'll take that off the list. but everything else needs buffs or some kind of improvement.

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Hypocrite. You tell others to be nice then attempt to murder people. Nice going, you just failed life.

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Allrightie, here's an idea. A lot of choice is good. You're not actually forced to use all those things! #-o

 

 

 

Comments in the quote.

 

Basically a thread about why range sucks

 

the answer to that is

 

Crappy updates/Weapons/Armour

 

 

 

 

 

[hide=Range Ammy]Highests range attack in the game by 5 so it should be awesome right?

 

too bad the only use for it is safespotting, and its not even worth it for that since its price is so unstable. First of all, it's downright ignorant to assume that something should be overpowered. WTF? when did i say things should be overpowered??Every item should have its weaknesses so that there is an effective way to beat it. Also, why on earth fuss about the prices?! Hello! Prices are dependant on the offer and how many people want it, duhh!

 

 

 

I would like to add to this that it's only natural prices go down after the introduction of a new item. It's basic economics. Also, why would that bother you? I've lost many millions over the years due to changed prices, that's life. Get over it.[/hide]

 

[hide=Javalins]Not much to say here other than they suck! :D Doesn't mean people don't use them. They hit fairly okay for a noob weapon, and you don't have to use them.No they suck.[/hide]

 

[hide=Darts]Knives with less power and more expensive :wall:Oh my god! They're expensive? Maybe that has something to do with people wanting it and a small (in comparison) offer in said items? Again, basic economics... And there's a fletching skill too you know. #-o

 

 

 

They fail because of the price? That argument is a fail, the item is not. :shame:No the item is a fail. [/hide]

 

[hide=Longbows]lol fail. #-o They have greater range and can shoot over larger obstacles. They are slower yes, but still have their purpose. Nuff said.When you next use a longbow to train, or anything for that matter, tell me[/hide]

 

[hide=Thrownaxes]Rune axe is useful for waterbirth and that is all?Again, what's wrong with the large range of choice in weapons? You can use them for more than just waterbirth, so I don't see the problem.They suck is the problem.[/hide]

 

[hide=Crystal bow]Is beat in every possible way by the rune crossbow with an unholy book. (not to mention the degrading)First of all, the Crystal bow was there long before the rune c'bow was even introduced! It still has its purpose and I think you just hate it because you're poor. :shame: it has no purpose if it is outpreformed in everyway by cheaper alternatives?[/hide]

 

[hide=Karils]Before the December 2007 Wilderness updates, many Karil's rangers would go to the Wilderness Agility Course and lower the Agility of the target, making them unable to escape. Some rangers in PvP worlds still use this tactic. Many rangers have asked for the set effect to be changed. Nevertheless, it is considered to have little to no use in most other situations.Oh no! Armour with purpose, how extremely outrageous! :wall:

 

Crossbow: Decent at best, but expensive and not good unless you want to whittle down a players health in pvp Again, you hate it because you're poor? Crossbows aren't expensive at all.When did i ever mention it being to expensive? Learn to read.

 

Armour: Only use for karils is magic defence, anything else is total and complete waste of cash I get it! You're too freaking poor. :wall: You have no place in this thread.[/hide]

 

[hide=Hand Cannon]Made me Rofl

 

 

 

also it has a chance to break when you fire it, and the shots are 2k each Again you're ranting about your apparent poverty! Did it ever occur to you that people may just think it an awesome weapon? People that aren't poor noobs like you apparently are? So it's jealousy that drives you then... You're not forced to use any of the weapons you don't like..I don't.[/hide]

 

 

 

Good things:

 

 

 

Rune crossbow- always the best way to train, Good hits and accurate. Oh, so next to the "I'm-too-poor-for-this-so-it-sucks" ranged is good? That's just.. bleep. -.- Stop trolling.

 

 

 

Chins- Best way to train :D

 

 

 

Range could be so much more, but Jagex fails to produce an even mediocre update for range. Well why don't you suggest something then, if you're so unhappy without providing any real arguments. :shame: i Would but you might come in and start yelling about how everyone is too poor.

 

 

 

No comments about shortbows yet..

 

 

 

Still, my conclusion is that you're just ranting about being too poor.noob gtfo.

 

I will update this more after supper

 

 

 

Such a great Argument!

 

Saying i'm poor and I don't have to use that weapon

 

 

 

The point is not "dont use it if it sucks"

 

And the point is definitely not " LOLOLOLLLOL POOR NOOOB!!!1111!!1212!"

 

 

 

The point is "WHY DO MOST RANGE WEAPONS SUCK?"

 

I guess range ammy has its uses so i'll take that off the list. but everything else needs buffs or some kind of improvement.

arcane_stew.png

Hypocrite. You tell others to be nice then attempt to murder people. Nice going, you just failed life.

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