Logdotzip Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 CHAOS TUNNEL WATERFIENDS WITH NEW PRAYER CURSES By Logdotzip Hello, I am writing this in addition to my in-depth video guide (HERE) on the new fastest way of acquiring crimson charms, without costing you ANYTHING; Waterfiends in the Chaos Tunnels, using the new Prayer Curses. Using this guide you can get well over 200 crimsons per hour! [spoiler=Background]On Dec. 3rd, Jagex released a quest which opened up new High level Prayer Curses available to those who have finished the quest "The Temple at Senntisten". Among the special and damage reducing prayers, were a few gems. These in particular, are "Berserker"; a Prayer that slows the rate that level boosts fall, "Soul Split"; a version of Smite that heals you, and "Turmoil", a (in most cases) beefed up Piety. I did the quest a good hour after the update, and luckily I had access to all the Prayers already. I quickly thought to myself, "What's the best way I could use these new Prayers? Eh I'll find out later, I have waterfiends to kill--- OSHI-" Then it hit me. I quickly tried out a few inventories with food and prayer and some Extreme potions until I hit the jackpot. Here, I present to you, the winning formula. [spoiler=Requirements]Let me remind all of you right off the bat, this is not for low levels, medium levels, even high levels. This guide is aimed at people who are almost entirely maxed in combat, and definately maxed in melees. This is for those people who just want that Pack Yak super bad or want to get their Summoning ranks up. There are much better Waterfiends guides out there if you don't fit either of those categories. That being said... REQ levels 99 melees95 prayer90 magic70 ranged92 summoning (Wolpertinger is NOT reccomended) REC levels 99 melees99 prayer99 magic70 ranged95/99 summoning90 herblore (extreme sets) [spoiler=Setup]NOTE: It's been made clear to me I wasn't obvious enough when I suggested you take another familiar with you in addition to the first one. It mentions it later in the guide but I understand some people may skip certain portions of this guide. What you're supposed to do is take a dose of each of those potions lined vertically, bank them, then grab an addition familiar, and more food if you wish it (More than 5 pizzas isn't needed unless you're lacking somewhere in the levels / gear. Thank you to those who pointed out how this could be confusing. If you're using this guide, then the following setup will be no problem for you: READ "GETTING THERE" SECTION TO GET THE FULL INVENTORY SETUP You can replace the Spear for a Sara sword, but no other substitute is worth using. If you're on task, you'll wear a Slayer helm, and if you have them, an Armadyl Plateskirt. You'd be surprised as I was as to how much that slightly higher magic defence helped. It's not Necesarry at all to use over Karil's, but if you have both, get the Arma skirt on. Choice of ring is always differing, some like their zerkers, but my imbued onyx will always hold a special place in my heart. THE ONLY possible substitute for this armour is if you're using a Wolpertinger, in which case, use Void Melee, Wolpertingers magic defense bonus will make Void Worth it. VOID is NOT worth it in any other case. Tried and tested. I would set your quickcurses and summoning click options, to these: You can set your click to be special, but I like having attack first, because special is just one click away, and having attack as a first option lets me ensure I don't go off using scrolls on nearly dead waterfiends. [spoiler=Getting there]First off, drink the four potions lined up top to bottom, one dose each, then bank those and grab another familiar of your choice. You can fill up the extra empty slots with food, but it won't be needed. I leave them open to pick up charms and early drops without hassle. Now we head off! First make your way to the Gargoyle rift, north of Oziach-ish. Take the portal leading to Mummies (Melee Pray). Follow that room west to get to Zamorak mages, and take their portal to dust devils. You make it? great! Be careful not to click these by mistake, especiailly if you dont have a slayer helm on you. Take the portal to black demons (Melee Pray), and through to the Bronze Dragons. You sohuld have taken an antifire dose at the bank, so don't worry about their hits. Make your way to the northern area of the Bronze Dragon room and take the northeast portal, leading to turoth. From there it's just one portal away to your destination! Now that we're here, summon your familiar, get a scroll attack ready (if applicable), throw on your quickcurses and head on in! (Calling your familiar when you're in the room speeds it up). [spoiler=The Battle]From here it's just a damage fest! (Make sure your Spear / SS is on crush attack!) Try to CONSTANTLY use your Iron or Steel Titan's scrolls, combining both the efforts of your helm and your own clicking. Wolper users, it's not even worth bringing Wolper scrolls. :< Now, because the Berserker Prayer Curse slows the rate that boosted stats fall, it's not 1 level drop/min now. So redose on your Supers/Extremes every 12 LEVELS dropped, not every 12 minutes. Remember that. DO NOT BE AFRAID TO USE ALL YOUR PIZZAS. They're only there to help you make it while the fiends are still aggressive, you'll almost ALWAYS be max HP once they're unaggressive, thanks to Soul Split. And speaking of... When they're unaggressive, and your HP is full or nearly, you can feel free to take off Soul Split, to conserve prayer. Just remember to put it back on when you need to start healing again. [spoiler=The Charms]All things ideal, using this guide you can walk away with over 200 crimsons per hour. However, The more you don't have, and have to sacrifice, the worse you'll do: No extremes: -20/hrNo Steel: -80/hrNo Iron: -60/hrNo Wolper: -30/hrWelfare Gear: -25/hrWelfare Wep: -40/hr [spoiler=The Price]By now you're probably thinking, "how much is this gonna cost me??!" NOTHING. In fact you'll probay PROFIT. Waterfiend drops make up for supplies spent every time. I've done so many trips already, and have never ever lost money, most of the time making about 50 - 70k profit each trip. PRO. Supplies Spent are roughly 300 - 310k per trip Here's the loot after one trip, KEEP IN MIND, not all the supplies were even used. (banked them lol) [spoiler=Example Trips]The following trip was timed at 66 minutes... 190 crimson and 6 blues, with many greens and golds not picked up lol... Scroll down for price of this trip The Price The loot Anyways, that's my poorly organized and written guide. Hope it helps some of you! Again if you missed it, here's the video guide.VIDEO GUIDE It has EVERYTHING this guide has, along with some hot music. Thanks! my youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDaStudd Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 I know it might be a silly question, but wouldn't Deflect Missiles and Leech Defence/Sap Mage with Turmoil and Berserker be more effective for the first stage?With sap mage, turmoil and berserker for the the rest of the trip. Sure your prayer drains faster, but you would kill them far faster since your reducing the number of 0's you'd hit and there magic attack damage would be less. Just a thought, I've yet to unlock them and probably won't until I hit my summoning goal. [hide=Drops]Dragon Axe x11Berserker Ring x9Warrior Ring x8SeercullDragon MedDragon Boots x4 - all less then 30 kcGodsword Shard (bandos)Granite Maul x 3Solo only - doesn't include barrows[/hide][hide=Stats][/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logdotzip Posted December 4, 2009 Author Share Posted December 4, 2009 I know it might be a silly question, but wouldn't Deflect Missiles and Leech Defence/Sap Mage with Turmoil and Berserker be more effective for the first stage?With sap mage, turmoil and berserker for the the rest of the trip. Sure your prayer drains faster, but you would kill them far faster since your reducing the number of 0's you'd hit and there magic attack damage would be less. Just a thought, I've yet to unlock them and probably won't until I hit my summoning goal. The only thing that really limits your time per trip is the amount of prayer potions you use, so it would be best to try to conserve. The reflect missiles barely reflects anything worth noticing back at the waterfiends, although you do get the protection. It's just that, at such high combat stats, the defensive aspects really arn't as important when it comes to that, so you go for Turmoil and Soul Split, which is the best of both worlds, as it provides a healing source as well as a good defensive boost (Turmoil used against waterfiends provides a 29 percent defensive boost) I appreciate the input and will look into your suggestion my youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logdotzip Posted December 5, 2009 Author Share Posted December 5, 2009 150 views with a single reply that came minutes after the initial post? Surely people have questions. maybe its because few people have the ability to do it properly lol my youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladewing Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 150 views with a single reply that came minutes after the initial post? Surely people have questions. maybe its because few people have the ability to do it properly lolIt's also because there's not really any new information aside from "Use Extreme pots", "Use Soulsplit/Turmoil", and "You can get 200 crimsons/hour". I'm not trying to flame you, but there's just not a lot of new information to be added. How to Chin Nechyraels for fast XP and profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logdotzip Posted December 5, 2009 Author Share Posted December 5, 2009 dont forget use titan and bring prayer my youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladewing Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 dont forget use titan and bring prayerYes, that's the best thing to do. It's just not new information, that's all. Your guide is very helpful and comprehensive, don't misunderstand me. It's just most questions people might have are answered in this and other guides. How to Chin Nechyraels for fast XP and profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logdotzip Posted December 5, 2009 Author Share Posted December 5, 2009 I think you misunderstood me lol was poking fun at myself It's not that Im angry or surprised ive gotten little or no feedback, it just makes me think i did something wrong. my youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantristenon Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Yes, this is good guide. You did good job writing it :) My own Chaos tunnel waterfiend guide was already outdated from newest boosters.There are some people who certainly will use this guide. This guide is for minority, thus it can't gain great popularity but those who use it will find it more useful than most of the "popular" guides for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Jay99 Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 It's sad that by the time I finally have 95 prayer, I'll already have 98 summoning banked so I could just as well do slayer to 99. Oh well, still a nice guide and a pretty good method for nearly maxed people who just want to get 96-99 summ or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logdotzip Posted December 6, 2009 Author Share Posted December 6, 2009 It's sad that by the time I finally have 95 prayer, I'll already have 98 summoning banked so I could just as well do slayer to 99. Oh well, still a nice guide and a pretty good method for nearly maxed people who just want to get 96-99 summ or something. It's also a fast way of doing slayer tasks but eh, ye this is targeted at the select few with 95 prayer and 92 - 99 summon my youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggiwhplar Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 well the only problem with this is that the target audience is so limited. The only people that would be interested in this guide are people with maxed combats who are trying to gain summoning ranks instead of levels. Plus the method doesn't seem very efficient w/o 99 summoning, and most people have 99 summoning by the time they have 99 melees and prayer nowadays :( Very intriguing/innovative strategy, though. I wish I could use it, haha - 200+ crims/hour is very impressive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logdotzip Posted December 7, 2009 Author Share Posted December 7, 2009 well the only problem with this is that the target audience is so limited. The only people that would be interested in this guide are people with maxed combats who are trying to gain summoning ranks instead of levels. Plus the method doesn't seem very efficient w/o 99 summoning, and most people have 99 summoning by the time they have 99 melees and prayer nowadays :( Very intriguing/innovative strategy, though. I wish I could use it, haha - 200+ crims/hour is very impressive! Yeah that is the problem.. I'm going to try to see how I do using the leech prayers instead.. Although Soul Split at 92 is still the lowest level you could get away with, as you need the healing my youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantristenon Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 It's sad that by the time I finally have 95 prayer, I'll already have 98 summoning banked so I could just as well do slayer to 99. Oh well, still a nice guide and a pretty good method for nearly maxed people who just want to get 96-99 summ or something. It's also a fast way of doing slayer tasks but eh, ye this is targeted at the select few with 95 prayer and 92 - 99 summon Just remember that only reason to do it in Chaos tunnels is having good combat familiar and it can be done without new prayers. If you don't have good combat familiar but everything else it's better to stick with ancient cavern. 92 prayer and curses are definitely not required, it's just helpful to have them. Of course it will yeild less crimsons per hour since your trips are a bit shorter. By the way, don't you have problem with familiar dying? (I see you taking only 1 pouch with you). When I killed them my steel and iron titans usually died before I ran out of other supplies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logdotzip Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 It's sad that by the time I finally have 95 prayer, I'll already have 98 summoning banked so I could just as well do slayer to 99. Oh well, still a nice guide and a pretty good method for nearly maxed people who just want to get 96-99 summ or something. It's also a fast way of doing slayer tasks but eh, ye this is targeted at the select few with 95 prayer and 92 - 99 summon Just remember that only reason to do it in Chaos tunnels is having good combat familiar and it can be done without new prayers. If you don't have good combat familiar but everything else it's better to stick with ancient cavern. 92 prayer and curses are definitely not required, it's just helpful to have them. Of course it will yeild less crimsons per hour since your trips are a bit shorter. By the way, don't you have problem with familiar dying? (I see you taking only 1 pouch with you). When I killed them my steel and iron titans usually died before I ran out of other supplies. yeah it says under the "Getting there" section to grab a second one, but some people wont look at that, so ill add that in. my youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragamuffin77 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Brilliant guide, just used it for my waterfiend task and before now I never liked waterfiends the highlight of 99 summon was actually just being able to block them but you've converted me. The one thing I think is necessary is a 2nd iron titan pouch since mine died :boohoo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingofthecav Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Sick guide man thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantristenon Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 By the way, I got one question. Since you are not using ranged prayer is there any point to wear karil's? The initial idea of wearing karil's is that you get protection from magic attacks with armour and protection from ranged attacks with prayer because their ranged attacks are more dangerous. But without ranged prayer you are taking both range and magic damage. Wouldn't it be better to switch for prayer boosting armour that protects you from ranged attacks too (Verac's). Either both body and skirt or just skirt (in which case you'd still have magic protection of kari'ls body). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDaStudd Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Cantristenon its one of the very few npc's (therea about 3 if I remember correctly) which has a magic based ranged attack.Think of it like bloodvelds, protect from melee stops there damage but without protect/deflect prayers its all based on your magic defense.Its the same reason why guthans/barrows + protect magic fails at waterfiends. [hide=Drops]Dragon Axe x11Berserker Ring x9Warrior Ring x8SeercullDragon MedDragon Boots x4 - all less then 30 kcGodsword Shard (bandos)Granite Maul x 3Solo only - doesn't include barrows[/hide][hide=Stats][/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logdotzip Posted December 23, 2009 Author Share Posted December 23, 2009 made a couple revisions... looking on devising a method of fast charms for those who's levels don't necesarily meet requirements, but dont fall drastically short of them either. my youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDaStudd Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Its worth noting arma skirt give -6 crush attack. So it might give you less damage, but it would in theory increase the kill time. [hide=Drops]Dragon Axe x11Berserker Ring x9Warrior Ring x8SeercullDragon MedDragon Boots x4 - all less then 30 kcGodsword Shard (bandos)Granite Maul x 3Solo only - doesn't include barrows[/hide][hide=Stats][/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agok Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Besides, you can make those trips more profitable but the downside of it is, that you'll receive less crimson charms.Where you need to use the soul split + turmoil is the auto attack period. Which was ~12min - with that time & having 99 prayer , you'll use around 4.5 ppots (4).That brings your cost to ~50k + 15k (for additional zips of praypot when you need to use soul split again).With all the loot you'll earn 350k-400k. That method requires the "prayer klicking" method or w/e it is: Have turmoil+soul split under quick prayers.Before hitting,turn quick prayers on & just when you are going to hit,turn it off.System will read it as you used the prayer but for prayer draintime ,its too short.That's pretty much phr33 hp.That way you dont need rely on sgs,can use ee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonsbane37 Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 Thank you for this guide, i am currently slaying for 96 summoning.Therefore my favorite task is obviously waterfeinds, and you helped me speed it up emensly and make it more fun.being much lower than 95 prayer, and beign obsessed with doign all tasks in one trip, i tweaked it a bit.I bring a unicorn pouch and a small amount of scrolls to last the agressive stage, and 2 pouches to last the task, i also dont piety after the go un-agro.It seems to work well enough, thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaindustries Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 nice guide looking forward to trying this on my next slayer task :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logdotzip Posted December 27, 2009 Author Share Posted December 27, 2009 Besides, you can make those trips more profitable but the downside of it is, that you'll receive less crimson charms.Where you need to use the soul split + turmoil is the auto attack period. Which was ~12min - with that time & having 99 prayer , you'll use around 4.5 ppots (4).That brings your cost to ~50k + 15k (for additional zips of praypot when you need to use soul split again).With all the loot you'll earn 350k-400k. That method requires the "prayer klicking" method or w/e it is: Have turmoil+soul split under quick prayers.Before hitting,turn quick prayers on & just when you are going to hit,turn it off.System will read it as you used the prayer but for prayer draintime ,its too short.That's pretty much phr33 hp.That way you dont need rely on sgs,can use ee. That could work yes, but then the berserker prayer wouldn't work, or would be much less efficient. It also requires a LOT more clicking than most people are comfortable with, and you will fail to recieve the bonus % to defense boost due to the fact that turmoil needs to be on for at least 2 rounds of combat for the extra bost to kick in. Also, one misclick with the flashing and that's one hit that won't be as good as it could have been. I used to flash prayer all the time, but realising that I still profit on every task (save for Darkbowless beast tasks) WITHOUT having to flash prayer. And thanks Joe, I only reccommend the arma skirt when on task, as your boost to attack is immense with the Slayer Helm / Black mask to the point that the -6 is not too worrysome. my youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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