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I would suggest you dg on w7.

 

OrTradeMe iis correct in that w61 dgers are usually better but for that same reason you almost certainly won't get invited to parties on w61.

What's the rough dg lvl to be accepted there?

In my experience they prefer high combats (100+) and skillers (3) on a team. I'm 73 combat but 78 dungeoneering and they've never accepted me, even when I've mentioned my level, so I've stuck to W7. Though in their defence I did only try a few times after which I got bored.

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I'm just curious, why do you guys play F2P?

I actually prefer F2P. It's a much more simplistic and relaxed setting for me. The whole P2P 'culture' is around grinding for the max exp rates and GP making*. When I get P2P, I always feel the need to 'get my monies worth' out of every second even though it's only $5.

I've been P2P on 4 occasions, usually for 2 months at a time and I always come back to F2P. To me it's home. Sure, P2P is nice to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there :wink:

 

*Not everyone is like that, but it sure is the 'vibe' that the community has, at least in my experience.

 

Also, to anyone who uses the argument for P2P that F2P is just noob central, I see just as many noobs in P2P as F2P. You do get more newbs in F2P but for the most part they're nice enough in their infinite questions about the game which I'm more than happy to answer.

Note: I use 'noob' as the typical jerk aditude and 'newb' as a new player.

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I would suggest you dg on w7.

 

OrTradeMe iis correct in that w61 dgers are usually better but for that same reason you almost certainly won't get invited to parties on w61.

What's the rough dg lvl to be accepted there?

 

The majority invites you if you are 100+ cb and 80+ Dg, I only invite people I reasonably know well.

 

Of course the better guys, who are really getting 100k/h rates and more will not invite randoms. You have to gather the reputation and skill first, before you can join good teams.

 

If you still think the Plate is not a better bind than something else, you better have 99 defence and ranged to use a shortbow, otherwise it is highly unlikely you will be choosen again or possibly will be ditched within the floor.

 

The point with icefiend is that you can kill it even at 100+ level with only a couple of dusk eels using the beeline walk method. You do not tank, you do not run. You walk. It's very useful if there's little food to be had.

The best method is to wear a platebody pray mage, def, atk, str, then stay and get hit by ice, which saves you speed after it has hit you once and kill it, the ranged does only kill you in like 1/10..

 

Because Sonic has mentioned a 28min large, thats pretty much average in W61. Also, there is no keying in a large, you always split key, your other cb always keeps his keys and drops at ggs if necessary.

 

Under 5 minute small average 1-27 is fast (105k/h ;) istha yesterday), 16min 45k large (64-7) F33 (ballack) is fast, or a 8:45 large 24k F34 is. Even if you join averages, randoms in W61 you will get 60k/h.

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Okay, I think I know what I'm going to do next after 85 mining.

 

I'm going to max out all combat, and get 85 dung on the way. By all combat I mean all melee combats, constitution, ranged, and magic. Prayer will only be leveled to 70, part of the reason why I'm going for 85 mining too.

 

Why? Because I want to show that I have the dedication to dungeoneer efficiently, so I'm going to work for my stats.

 

Wish me luck! ;)

 

By the way, do you guys c1 dungeons at all?

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I'm just curious, why do you guys play F2P?

I actually prefer F2P. It's a much more simplistic and relaxed setting for me. The whole P2P 'culture' is around grinding for the max exp rates and GP making*. When I get P2P, I always feel the need to 'get my monies worth' out of every second even though it's only $5.

I've been P2P on 4 occasions, usually for 2 months at a time and I always come back to F2P. To me it's home. Sure, P2P is nice to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there :wink:

 

*Not everyone is like that, but it sure is the 'vibe' that the community has, at least in my experience.

 

Also, to anyone who uses the argument for P2P that F2P is just noob central, I see just as many noobs in P2P as F2P. You do get more newbs in F2P but for the most part they're nice enough in their infinite questions about the game which I'm more than happy to answer.

Note: I use 'noob' as the typical jerk aditude and 'newb' as a new player.

Most of the reasons you put there are the exact ones im f2p for and a few others.

 

So i guess im not going w61 anytime soon with 62 dg and 66 cb lol

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So i guess im not going w61 anytime soon with 62 dg and 66 cb lol

Seeing as my DG isn't even that high, I won't be either. Back to solo'ing for now, I guess.

 

 

I'm just curious, why do you guys play F2P?

I enjoy the simplicity of it (although I enjoyed it a lot more before they removed the trade limits and opened the floodgates for bots once again :angry: /rant), and I don't really play regularly enough to make it worth paying for members.

 

I'm not going to lie though, there's plenty of times I wish I could access some of the members' features. Especially while training Mining and Runecrafting.

 

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So, apparently according to the DGS thread in Help and Advice, practically everybody advised against the binding of even primal plate as a 3rd or 4th bind. They always advise for offensive binds like blood necklace, rapier, gauntlets, ccs, and hexhunter.

 

Am I missing something? Because unless the metagame of members is radically different from f2p, it should still carry over to f2p as well. We have even weaker monsters especially in w61. If members disregard primal plate in occult/warped, why doesn't the same apply to f2p furnished/abandoned?

 

I'm just curious. Since so many w61ers bind plate (I assume they know what they're doing) it must put such a huge advantage to them. My stance on the plate is neutral now, but I'm still having certain doubts. Is it because there is nothing else worthwhile to bind?

 

Still wondering if you guys do c1 1-24, 5:5 large 25-35 though.

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So, apparently according to the DGS thread in Help and Advice, practically everybody advised against the binding of even primal plate as a 3rd or 4th bind. They always advise for offensive binds like blood necklace, rapier, gauntlets, ccs, and hexhunter.

 

Am I missing something? Because unless the metagame of members is radically different from f2p, it should still carry over to f2p as well. We have even weaker monsters especially in w61. If members disregard primal plate in occult/warped, why doesn't the same apply to f2p furnished/abandoned?

 

I'm just curious. Since so many w61ers bind plate (I assume they know what they're doing) it must put such a huge advantage to them. My stance on the plate is neutral now, but I'm still having certain doubts. Is it because there is nothing else worthwhile to bind?

 

Still wondering if you guys do c1 1-24, 5:5 large 25-35 though.

Not really caring enough to read back 3 pages of plate vs spear, I'd say a fractite plate is a waste of a bind. It only has a slightly better crush bonus than a rune platebody & doesn't really offer you anything to speed up your dungeons. Saying "it speeds up your dungeons because you don't have to eat as much food" is laughable - You're talking about saving a few seconds when your platebody bind limits you to only spear or 2h? The time saved by binding say, rapier + 2h is far more than you lose by having to eat 1-2 more pieces of food (to add to that, food consumption is decided by using the right prayers, prioritizing things in gds, kiting, safespoting & luring - all things you won't learn by having a plate bound.)

 

What are the normal bind setups for the higher leveled f2p dg clans (if they exist)?

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High level combats usually bind a melee weapon (spear usually) as well as a different combat style. The setup is either cata/firestaff + blastbox or shortbow/longbow + arrows.

 

I'm not at that point yet, but apparently very high ranged (90+) rapes monsters especially with a shortbow.

 

The point of binding ranged/mage is because f2p cannot normally craft these items in a large. They can only get it via c1.

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i dont know the bind mechanics in p2p but i say ít for the last time, the plate is necessary if you haven't got a very high defence in f2p

 

i personally do 1-27 5:5 smalls, 28-35 5:5 larges, thats the most common one, kamnub and lokizorro do 1-29 smalls i ve heard, ..some people still do 20-27 meds, but its certainly not faster and will result in a longer full run

 

i only c1 skillers if they need a few floors, so we can do runs, nobody c1s in f2p, a c1 with 2cbs 3 skillers will still take around 1-2 min on average, and the lack of gatestone portal means all skillers have to run with us

 

p2ps do 1-24 c1 or 1-35 c1 because a c1 with 5 cbs is a little bit faster, and they can access higher floors ofc

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i dont know the bind mechanics in p2p but i say ít for the last time, the plate is necessary if you haven't got a very high defence in f2p

Are the monsters in f2p all level 300+ and unsafespotable, unlureable and unkitable? Last time I checked, they're not. I'm having trouble understanind why you think you need a plate that offers only a tiny bit more crush defence a rune platebody is a better bind that something that speeds up your dungeons by a lot (rapier/bow/staff (although bow may not be worth binding with a rapier, seeing as most things weak to range are also weak to stab.)

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Probably gonna have to ask Isthatok for his insight on this. He's one of the few w61ers who seem to be against the notion of a platebody bind as well.

 

I'm still really confused :/ I've always been an offense-offense-offense dude. Being a suicide DPSer as well, it just adds to this.

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The reason why people don't take ranged is probably because the bows, armour and arrows have low stats. Fractite spear is alot bettert than rune items, while spinebeam is comparible with willow and fract arrows with steel / mith...

Still, ranged is better on low lvled npc's imo.

I think a bow is much better in smalls, but plate maybe in F30-35 larges (higher and more npcs).

 

I still wonder if dromoleather body is a better bind than spinebeam shortbow.

Dromoleather body + tange gum short (buy at Smuggler) give 18 ranged bonus, and spinebeam shortbow 19.

But the dromoleather body has some defence bonus, bow has none. So I think I'll still go for the dromoleather body :)

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i dont know the bind mechanics in p2p but i say ít for the last time, the plate is necessary if you haven't got a very high defence in f2p

Are the monsters in f2p all level 300+ and unsafespotable, unlureable and unkitable? Last time I checked, they're not. I'm having trouble understanind why you think you need a plate that offers only a tiny bit more crush defence a rune platebody is a better bind that something that speeds up your dungeons by a lot (rapier/bow/staff (although bow may not be worth binding with a rapier, seeing as most things weak to range are also weak to stab.)

 

a few pages back, a guy made an excellent explantion on why to use a platebody, i wont tell it you again but i haven't seen you in w61, nor heard about you so you either are a p2p dger or a w7er, in both cases your opinion on that is just hot air, its perfectly explained and backed up with numbers a few pages back

 

and isthatok has 99 defence and ranged, which most of you dont have i guess

 

im also not giving you advice on runecrafting, i actually give you advice on dungeoneering, i Do have a lvl to back up knowledge, and if you guys still dont believe the fact that a platebody is highly contributive for not maxed def and ranged, and the blastbox is useless, when a trusted person like me, and a very decent calculation advise you to do so, you are prety ignorant,

 

i for myself would have been very grateful if people had told me optimal binds, or other decent tips, when i started, and i wouldnt have dared to sit on my own generated opinion with the lack of both, experience and skill

 

i didnt want to argue in this thread, i wanted to hand you pieces of advice, i dont understand why you guys cant see that as gift, or at least try it before you tell me it doesn't work at all, kudos to me, and the other guy who has made the calculation, i've written a lot here to help you guys improve, which i didnt need to, and the calculation is a good opportunity to eventually understand the numbers behind this fact as well, i do enjoy dungeoneering a lot, and i happen to like to use the fastest method as well, about which i have told you a lot now, it is in your hand to try it or just ignore it

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@Fire_Hawk: Sure, the shortbow is only comparable to willow, but the longbow is comparable to magic.

 

Would that be a more effective bind over the shortbow, thanks to its accuracy? Or at 99 ranged, speed DPSing is more important?

 

@Nuffbutmage: Chee knows what he is talking about. P2P have harder monsters than F2P, and when he says even primal plate is not helpful there, it means something...

 

It's not to say we don't appreciate your advice. In fact, I have already stated that since you're w61ers you guys probably aren't kidding with the platebody. It's just that ideally you want the best DPSing binds. Isthatok is max combats so obviously armor isn't going to help him much.

 

Speaking of which, dung is an endgame skill. It always favors those that are higher leveled. That is why I have this certain motive to get max combats as part of my goals.

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@Sonikku, the longbow is way better versus high lvl npcs, but there are far more low lvld npcs. So after all I think the shortbow is still better ;) .

What about bosses? Is the shortbow's speed still overrides the longbow's accuracy versus them?

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In f2p, you don't really have that many options. Spear out DPSes every other weapon/style on every monster/boss with very few exceptions and binding another weapon isn't really necessary. So you can either go with gauntlets (+4 strength) or a platebody. Easy choice.

 

In p2p you have blood necklaces, hexhunters + plethora of other options for your third bind. Your need for food is also reduced with soul split. You don't bind spear because of class rings so you might go for a good stab weapon. There are so many more options. No f2p options.

 

For the record, my binds are hex hood and p2h. On my f2p account it's plate and spear.

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From my experience, the (-) mage defence from a plate offsets the (+) crush defence in terms of food needed. I always seems to find more mages than wariors and you can't safespot mages to kill them last.

 

My binds have always been spear - longbow - frac arrows and I rarely ran into problems. Though, I am 65+ RC and 90 range, so it may not be as good for everyone.

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From my experience, the (-) mage defence from a plate offsets the (+) crush defence in terms of food needed. I always seems to find more mages than wariors and you can't safespot mages to kill them last.

 

My binds have always been spear - longbow - frac arrows and I rarely ran into problems. Though, I am 65+ RC and 90 range, so it may not be as good for everyone.

In the plate's defense though, it's only -6 magic. It's probably not as different as if it were 0 magic (what you would be if you no armor freak like me).

 

I have the same binds as you actually. Though, I may need to improve on both my melee and ranged stats to use these weapons more effectively.

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In f2p, you don't really have that many options. Spear out DPSes every other weapon/style on every monster/boss with very few exceptions and binding another weapon isn't really necessary. So you can either go with gauntlets (+4 strength) or a platebody. Easy choice.

Why not consider a rapier + 2h combo? I haven't really looked into the actual stats without zerker rings, but I can see it being a good bind setup in f2p.

 

 

Your need for food is also reduced with soul split.

Yes soulsplit & higher healing food helps, but like i've said in the dgs thread - Kiting, luring, safespotting & avoiding damage by praying correctly are the real ways to save yourself hp. A platebody is just a lazy way to do this and in the end hurts your dungeoneering experience as you get slower floors by only binding 1 offensive weapon.

 

 

 

As for nufftuffmage's response - you think my opinion is hot air because i'm p2p. That's fine for you to think but if you want an open discussion on binds, leave your prejudices at the door. Dismissing my opinion because of who I am and not the content in them is a bad way to go.

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Why not consider a rapier + 2h combo? I haven't really looked into the actual stats without zerker rings, but I can see it being a good bind setup in f2p.

 

Yes soulsplit & higher healing food helps, but like i've said in the dgs thread - Kiting, luring, safespotting & avoiding damage by praying correctly are the real ways to save yourself hp. A platebody is just a lazy way to do this and in the end hurts your dungeoneering experience as you get slower floors by only binding 1 offensive weapon.

 

 

As for nufftuffmage's response - you think my opinion is hot air because i'm p2p. That's fine for you to think but if you want an open discussion on binds, leave your prejudices at the door. Dismissing my opinion because of who I am and not the content in them is a bad way to go.

 

Rapier, 38 str, 2.4 seconds per hit, aggressive mode: DPS 75.0

2H, 80 str, 3.6 seconds per hit, aggressive mode : DPS 70.0

Spear, 67 str, 3.0 seconds per hit, controlled mode : DPS 75.3

 

Consider that most f2p bosses are weak to stab, the spear's most accurate attack style.

 

 

And yes, I know that platebody can be replaced with advanced techniques. There's nothing better available though.

 

 

 

Nuff has a point though. You've never been w61 dging. He speaks from experience and practice, you speak from conjecture and theory.

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Why not consider a rapier + 2h combo? I haven't really looked into the actual stats without zerker rings, but I can see it being a good bind setup in f2p.

 

Yes soulsplit & higher healing food helps, but like i've said in the dgs thread - Kiting, luring, safespotting & avoiding damage by praying correctly are the real ways to save yourself hp. A platebody is just a lazy way to do this and in the end hurts your dungeoneering experience as you get slower floors by only binding 1 offensive weapon.

 

 

As for nufftuffmage's response - you think my opinion is hot air because i'm p2p. That's fine for you to think but if you want an open discussion on binds, leave your prejudices at the door. Dismissing my opinion because of who I am and not the content in them is a bad way to go.

 

Rapier, 38 str, 2.4 seconds per hit, aggressive mode: DPS 75.0

2H, 80 str, 3.6 seconds per hit, aggressive mode : DPS 70.0

Spear, 67 str, 3.0 seconds per hit, controlled mode : DPS 75.3

 

Consider that most f2p bosses are weak to stab, the spear's most accurate attack style.

Ok then that's spear sorted assuming you're correct.

 

And yes, I know that platebody can be replaced with advanced techniques. There's nothing better available though.

Fire staff/catalytic staff? Longbow/shortbow? Offensive binds will always trump defensive binds in dg unless you're keying on a bad team in p2p.

 

 

Nuff has a point though. You've never been w61 dging. He speaks from experience and practice, you speak from conjecture and theory.

How different do you think p2p dg is to f2p dg? You're acting like you can't apply the same techniques to avoid damage in p2p to f2p. I also speak from experience and about 4x more than nufftuff (I didn't want to go into that, but you cant seem to get past it.) By what you're saying, f2pers enter a dungeon and are presented with unsafespotable/unkitable/unlureable/unprayable-against monsters. It doesn't take experience in f2p to know that's not true.

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