MageUK Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 The reputation system can be very finely tuned to try and prevent abuse. For example we can:Make the reputation system positive only, so you can't take away from someone's reputation, only add - this means people gain reputation for good posts but you never get de-repped for bad ones, thus it still effectively works for good posters, and bad posters just remain at 0. (No abusing a certain person into negatives)Restrict the number of reputation points that a person can give out over a 24 hour period.Edit a user's reputation if it does get abused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 If we do that, I'd say keep it positive only, and maybe make people able to give out +1 rep per 10 hours or something.... "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsavi Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 With those limits that's not a bad idea at all. Maybe we could have a trial period of a month or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sees_all1 Posted January 28, 2010 Author Share Posted January 28, 2010 How about mods give negative reputation when they have to take action against a user... they lock a thread, or delete or censor the contents a post?That wouldn't be more work than what's already being done, and then positive and neutral reputation is left to the common users of the forum. 99 dungeoneering achieved, thanks to everyone that celebrated with me! ♪♪ Don't interrupt me as I struggle to complete this thoughtHave some respect for someone more forgetful than yourself ♪♪♪♪ And I'm not doneAnd I won't be till my head falls off ♪♪ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsavi Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 You are assuming that having a thread locked is a bad thing. I don't think we should be introducing a punishment system, it doesn't sound like it would work at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racheya Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 How about mods give negative reputation when they have to take action against a user... they lock a thread, or delete or censor the contents a post?That wouldn't be more work than what's already being done, and then positive and neutral reputation is left to the common users of the forum.That wouldn't work. Any sort of 'discipline' done by moderators is, and should always be, a strictly private matter between the staff and the user. Moderators already know if a user has any previous infractions so it wouldn't help us. The only thing it would do is stigmatise people who behave poorly. Of course it might work as a deterrent. But if a user does bad and everyone knows this through the reputation, they are more likely to break the rules again because they have been labelled as a troublemaker and will live up to that label. There's also a chance that it would turn into a 'competition' between bad users to see who can get the lowest reputation. Wow, I never thought my Sociology course I'm doing would have ANY real use XD I edit for the [Tip.It Times]. I rarely write in [My Blog]. I am an [Ex-Moderator]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wachtwoord Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Don't mock my study. :( But anyway, I totally agree. Having a reputation system will only lead to people jumping to conclusions way too soon: "O, he has low rep, so his posts aren't worth reading anyway". And as Rachael already described, this won't make people behave any better. We don't need any other punishment than our mods currently do. Besides that, everyone who reads these forums frequently can make up their own mind about who's a good user and they don't need a rep system for that. In fact, it forces people to actively think for themselves who they like, instead of blindly following a few stupid green blocks on the right of someone's screen. I don't see any positives of this system either. Is it solving any problems? No. Does this system have some advantages we don't currently have? I don't see them. So I only see the negative of people being stigmatized too soon and I'm therefore strongly against a rep system. When everything's been said and done, more has been said than done.All skills 80+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentry_Wolf Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Well personally, I see no harm to try it out. Under the conditions Peter has mentioned, it might work well. As long as it didn't turn into a popularity contest, it might have some worthwhile. But I'm on the fence with it. Tip.it has seemed to function well enough without it in the past, would it be totally needed? Would it create a better atmosphere to the forums?As the Admins know, all those questions should be taken into consideration. :) I am interested to see how the discussion goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorLepRecon Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 I don't see any positives of this system either. Is it solving any problems? No. Does this system have some advantages we don't currently have? I don't see them. So I only see the negative of people being stigmatized too soon and I'm therefore strongly against a rep system. This is my opinion as well. Forum Updates & Suggestions <------ Let your voice be heard!Forum Games <------- Coolest place on Tip.ItTip.It Forum Rules <------- Read them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripsis Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 I don't have a problem with giving it a go with certain limitations (the ones that Peter mentioned sound good). Sure it may not have any huge advantages to our current system, but it's just a fun and interesting feature, I think. We can always get rid of it if it flops. - 99 fletching | 99 thieving | 99 construction | 99 herblore | 99 smithing | 99 woodcutting - - 99 runecrafting - 99 prayer - 125 combat - 95 farming - - Blog - DeviantART - Book Reviews & Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowman_133 Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 I'm strongly against the idea of even trying it out on the basis that the feature is totally useless. This is pretty much exactly the same thing as the proposed 'trusted users' suggestion - unnecessary separation between community members. I've always liked how everybody on Tip.It can be treated more or less equally with one being a member for years and years and one being a member for a couple months. Sure people won't know the person whose joined only a month ago, but as soon as there's some sort of ranking system between established and new users, it creates a bad atmosphere where some people appear to be superior to others. Forums that have systems like this turn me right off - I don't want Tip.It to become one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirror Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Plus it's just another thing to compare and compete with. I don't care what happens, whatever the masses want. A reflection is just a distorted reality held by glass and your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Plus it's just another thing to compare and compete with.That's my main problem along with the others said. I go on TIF not to compete but to relax and read. This rep. system would only make people strive for the best rather than just contribute to the discussion. "The cry of the poor is not always just, but if you never hear it you'll never know what justice is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youmu Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 I actually LIKE the idea of user reputation. Though, I think it would probably only work if it is modified, like Pure Mage's suggestion (I like the positive-only suggestion). About abuse, you guys are acting like EVERYONE is gonna go abusing the system, when in reality, only a few would honestly even try to do that. And elitism? Not a lot of people actually judge others from post count now, as far as I've seen. I'm pretty sure this would create elitism no matter what, but not to such an extreme extent. BlogTrimmed | Master Quester | Final BossBoss pets: Bombi | Shrimpy | Ellie | Tz-Rek Jad | Karil the Bobbled | Mega Ducklings120s: Dungeoneering | Invention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 A system where you'd be forced to appease everybody? Sorry, but that sounds like a terrible idea. People would ruin other posters' reputations just for disagreeing with them about politics and stupid stuff like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sees_all1 Posted February 3, 2010 Author Share Posted February 3, 2010 A system where you'd be forced to appease everybody? Sorry, but that sounds like a terrible idea. People would ruin other posters' reputations just for disagreeing with them about politics and stupid stuff like that. That's not the idea behind reputation at all. You're not required to give it at all, and you can ignore it. Reputation given or received shows up in a manor similar to a PM, so its confidential between the parties involved.Also, reputation does not have to be implemented on every forum or sub forum, in fact its disabled on Chit-Chat / Forum Games on Chief Delphi. One affect reputation has had on Chief Delphi is the forums become self policing - users don't post deliberately inflammatory material because they don't want to lose the reputation they've gained through all their hard work in posting.It also gives new users an incentive to make thoughtful posts - there's less trolling, and it becomes an individual challenge to fill your bar up. Once again, giving reputation to a certain individual more than once in a period of time is forbidden, and I've never seen "groups of friends gang up on one user"Also, speaking from experience - Once you get a full bar of reputation, you rarely get more. To me, this means that people look closer at user's posts which don't have full bars because they're looking to give it to deserving members. This is just speaking from experience though, and with a different forum. 99 dungeoneering achieved, thanks to everyone that celebrated with me! ♪♪ Don't interrupt me as I struggle to complete this thoughtHave some respect for someone more forgetful than yourself ♪♪♪♪ And I'm not doneAnd I won't be till my head falls off ♪♪ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangeor Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 I don't see any harm in trying it, but I don't see it working either. The only reason it works on Chief Delphi is because the community can handle it. If you introduce it in Off Topic here, I think it would be fine... maybe in a few other sections too. A limit of handing out two reputation points per month would also make it a bit better. But I'm very certain there will be quite a few people who don't take the system seriously and abuse it to the extent that they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 One affect reputation has had on Chief Delphi is the forums become self policing - users don't post deliberately inflammatory material because they don't want to lose the reputation they've gained through all their hard work in posting.It also gives new users an incentive to make thoughtful posts - there's less trolling, and it becomes an individual challenge to fill your bar up. Implementing a reputation system into any social website will change how the people act. I'd much rather be a part of a site where no one's afraid to say certain things or offend some easily offended people though. Not to mention... superficial manners. Yuck. Please don't take away TIF's frankness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinedownkid Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 well as i could suggest from another forum that i have been on for a few years, their could be a reputation system enabled but has to not be abused. for example, everyone starts at 0 reputation points, you can have a "Nominate" button underneath every post and what that does is, if the post is considered really helpful, insightful, and knowledgable, a person can Nominate the post, and that then would be sent to Forum moderators, Admins (or whichever group(s) they decide to be in charge of this) and in turn after say 5 nominations on a post, someone from those previously mentioned groups can come view the post/thread topic and decide for themselves if the post/topic is worthy of an Increase in Reputation to however amount they think it's deserving of (raned 1-3) as an Example of what kind of forum member people would/should strive to be. Now also, the Report feature would counter balance this, so if a user get's multiple reports, they would either Lose reputation points (the amount points taken are determined at how severe the reported offense is) and if severe enough, the user can be banned as in case for really serious/multiple offenses. and you leave the distribution of reputation to forum higher ups so that all rewards and punishments are from a fair and neutral party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonewall337 Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 I'm sure I can speak for all of us on the moderating team when I say that I don't want to sift through threads reading why people downed another's reputation. It would distract moderators and admins from more pressing matters. Just think of how many threads would be created. We don't have the time, nor the will, to approve or disapprove reasons why someone downed another's reputation. On the subject of a test run, I'm going to have to disagree. The sustem won't work at all. You'll just see people max out their reputation with the help of other user's. The whole point is that a higher reputation would mean a more trusted user, but if someone can just max out their reputation with the help of a few other user's it serves no purpose. Plus, it will create some elitism from the user's who have achieved a full reputation bar. Test it if you must, but I am pretty sure the system will fail as it will be abused too much to be effective. I have to agree with you. I know who knows what they are talking about, and who doesn't. We don't need a reputation bar. Most TIF users would be able to learn about other posters within a month or so. Also, I just noticed that your AV is from Heroes. Heroes FTW! [hide=Drops]Araxxor Eye x1 Leg pieces x2GWD: 5000 Addy bar Steam B Staff x3 Z Spear x6 Sara. Hilt x2 Bandos Hilt x2 (LS, Solo)SS x6 (1 LS)Tormented Demons: Shard x6 Slice x5 Claws x9 Limbs x3DKS: Archer x21 Warrior x31 Berserker x30 Axe x51[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Pirates Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I belong to another forum that has rep and the whole damn place is filled with people that are repwhoring. Almost every thread says something like "oh and don't forget to rep + thank for this thread". It would get way out of hand on here. BR BR BR? HUEHUEHEUEHUE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I actually agree with MLBfan on this one. "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world."Abraham Lincoln Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youmu Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 I belong to another forum that has rep and the whole damn place is filled with people that are repwhoring. Almost every thread says something like "oh and don't forget to rep + thank for this thread". It would get way out of hand on here.That's a different forum. Totally not the case here. If user reputation ever existed here, I won't use it or repwhore at all, and I'm pretty sure most won't either. In fact, I'll probably ignore it, just like my post count and profile views. I trust you guys. BlogTrimmed | Master Quester | Final BossBoss pets: Bombi | Shrimpy | Ellie | Tz-Rek Jad | Karil the Bobbled | Mega Ducklings120s: Dungeoneering | Invention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wachtwoord Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 But if it's totally not a big deal at all, why enable it? When everything's been said and done, more has been said than done.All skills 80+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awkward Talking Fish Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 I'd think a post reputation would be better. E.g. You can rate a post and if it gets too low it gets auto-hidden.Say like.. -5 and it gets hidden. Anyway, good idea. I'd like to see a reputation system implemented, at least for a test. Edit: And as for repwhoring.."Any post requesting rep in it will be deleted"? :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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