Skeptical Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 I know that willow logs are basically useless, unless they're all you can fletch/burn/cut. Why, however did they drop from 30, to 15 coins (after the G.E. was released) and then to the 8gp they are now? "Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security." Support transparency... and by extension, freedom and democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennis_Ace Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Probably because the infinitely superior maple logs can be obtained so easily with MTK. It's why those dropped from 100 -> 60 -> 30, and of course that would have an effect on worse items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denith Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 When the skill capes came out they brought a new interest in getting fletching, woodcutting, and firemaking skills. Price change was inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Smither Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 First of all, after the GE was released everything dropped a bit in price regardless of what it was. But, some items had a floor on them (willow logs for one) so they could not drop and thusly became unsellable even at minimum. Also, as mentioned above, maple logs became the new willow logs of RuneScape because of how easy and cheap they became. After many items becoming stuck in the GE with regards to price updates, Jagex intervened and changed some mechanics, floors, and ceiling on items and with willows at their unsellable state, they were due to be changed. Click for My Blog670th to 99 Smithing July 21st, 07 |743rd to 99 Mining November 29th, 07 | 649th to 99 Runecrafting May 18th, 08 | 29,050th to 99 Defence October 20th, 08 | 20,700th to 99 Magic November 8, 08 | 47,938th to 99 Attack December 19, 08 | 37,829th to 99 Hitpoints December 24, 08 | 68,604th to 99 Strength February 4, 09 | 27,983rd to 99 Range February 9, 09 | 9,725th to 99 Prayer June 8, 09 | 6,620th to 99 Slayer December, 12 09 | 4,075th to 99 Summoning December, 28 09 | 3,551th to 99 Herblore February 24, 10 | 3,192th to 99 Dungeoneering November 11, 10 | 146,600th to 99 Cooking December 29th, 10 | 11,333rd to 99 Construction June 7th, 11 | 16,648th to 99 Farming August 1st, 11 | 19,993th to 99 Crafting August 2nd, 11 | 89,739th to 99 Woodcutting Janurary 1st, 12 | 55,424th to 99 Fishing May 9th, 12| 60,648th to 99 Firemaking May 12th, 12 | 16666th to 99 Agility May 17th, 2012 | 24476th to 99 Hunter June 1st, 2012 | 57,881st to 99 Fletching June 1st, 2012 | All 99s June 1st, 2012 | 3183th to 120 Dungeoneering July 24th, 2012 | 2341st to 2496 Total level July 24th, 2012 | Completionist Cape July 24th, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptical Posted March 21, 2010 Author Share Posted March 21, 2010 Ahh, yea, that makes sense. I wondered if it had anything to do with people becoming more aware of better alternatives. I just was thinking about the days when I was charging 30 gold a log as a supplier to fletchers. "Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security." Support transparency... and by extension, freedom and democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stev Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Also, most bots that exist to this day that are undetectable (Which is easy) mainly cut willows. At Draynor / Seers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hameigh Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 For a while it was the price floor Jagex put on them that kept them so high. Their price right now seems correct to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerchantInTheDark Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Jagex changed the price floor/ceiling on many items, Willows were one of them. They've always had much higher supply then demand, so they fell to 8gp Guide - How To Prepare For (And profit From) Free Trade & the Return of the Wilderness2.17B Total Wealth ~ The Original Grand Exchange Merchant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooferfish Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Also, most bots that exist to this day that are undetectable (Which is easy) mainly cut willows. At Draynor / Seers. It's not just bots, everyone in f2p cuts willows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whocowman Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Also, most bots that exist to this day that are undetectable (Which is easy) mainly cut willows. At Draynor / Seers. It's not just bots, everyone in f2p cuts willows.this is also what is causing the price to drop [hide=][/hide]goals:next 4: 53 agility, 76 fishing, 63 hunter level 85 melee skillsrest of goals:100+ combat, all songscompleted:55 slayer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nifflin Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Basically, the limited use of willows and the massive amount f2p brings into the game coupled with the removal of willows price floors mean that they have finally dropped to a very low price. Massive supply and little demand so prices drop, and drop, and drop, and drop. What the removal of the price floor demonstrates is the influence Jagex has on prices. Many items have reached their ceilings or floors. Jagex has massive potential to influence prices by removing the floors and ceilings in place at the GE. PM me in game anytime It's a lot easier then that for an idiot to sound smart on the internet. That's exactly what you're doing right now... just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordkafei Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Cheap (8gp) willows means you can buy 99 fletching for just over 3 million gp, or 99 firemaking for just over 1.1 million. Things surely have changed. PvP is not for meIn the 3rd Year of the BoycottReal-world money saved since FT/W: Hundreds of DollarsReal-world time saved since FT/W: Thousands of Hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youmu Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Simple answer: price floor removals. A lot of items had their price floors removed so they can actually become sellable. Maples are far more often used than willows, which means not many people shall use willows. Willows are still good for people who lack cash though. BlogTrimmed | Master Quester | Final BossBoss pets: Bombi | Shrimpy | Ellie | Tz-Rek Jad | Karil the Bobbled | Mega Ducklings120s: Dungeoneering | Invention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12pure34 Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Keep in mind that there is always a better alternative for some items. For Willows --> best experience, so high supply. Yet for using, maples are better in every way. If you want more examples: Tuna --> hardly ever used, but there is a high amount of them, due to Swordfish (which are caught along with them) being high. Therefor it is widely used as raw to cook. But cooked tuna.. mwah. (yet swordfish isn't used in members, due to monkfish being cheaper) Tarromorin herbs --> Tough gathered a lot.. there isn't much use to them. The ''lower'' herbs as marrentil / guam are even worth more then this. Every alternative is better ;) There are more examples ;) but willows are an extreme form. (perhaps think onion seeds) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romu000 Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Also, most bots that exist to this day that are undetectable (Which is easy) mainly cut willows. At Draynor / Seers. It's not just bots, everyone in f2p cuts willows. And they fail oaks are better geepees and way less crowded so... better xp in reality. Oh baby light the dark side... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerchantInTheDark Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Willows have always been the F2P woodcutting staple, similar to iron and coal are to mining but with much less demand. Remember, armor is almost never considered junk, but anything you can make with willow logs is. And the only other thing you can do is burn them. Guide - How To Prepare For (And profit From) Free Trade & the Return of the Wilderness2.17B Total Wealth ~ The Original Grand Exchange Merchant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjjon123 Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 And they fail oaks are better geepees and way less crowded so... better xp in reality. Unless you cut willows at rimmington... 1,000 F2P Total Level Reached 10/8/10 ! [hide=Guides]Magic & Summoning Profit Spreadsheets! *UPDATES EVERY HOUR* (includes: High alch, Superheat, and Enchanting)4 BETTER alternatives to flesh crawlers[/hide] WOT WOT! ☉.☉☂ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovecuttingyews Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 And they fail oaks are better geepees and way less crowded so... better xp in reality.Unless you cut willows at rimmington...Actually, there isn't that much difference in terms of exp, maybe 25%. I tested out oaks and could make like 100k gp per hour in F2P which is pretty good. As to why willows are so cheap:Ever since MTK people were getting maples for the same price that willows used to be. Maples are better in every way so willows crashed pretty hard but stayed decently valuable because people held onto their maples. Once the GE came out, everyone used the simplicity of it to offload all of their maples which made them crash. Then willows which had a street of 15-20 gp each became worth like 5-10 gp each on the street. I remember buying willows for 10 gp each on W1 and selling them for 22 gp each (the floor price at the time) in the GE. I could double my money every week for the first little while until other people started puting in mass amounts of willows as the trade limits loomed. Then once the trade restrictions hit, everyone was forced to dump their willows onto the GE. I put 100 willow logs onto the GE the day before the trade restrictions took effect and it took over 2 months to sell them all. Thats how many willows were in the market already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peronix Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Cheap (8gp) willows means you can buy 99 fletching for just over 3 million gp, or 99 firemaking for just over 1.1 million. Things surely have changed. According to GE the difference between yew logs + bow string is only about 3 gp off from yew longbows. And it's a lot faster. I don't think fletching willows would be worth it past 70. As for firemaking, there's really no reason to use willows as maples aren't that much more expensive. I got 99 FM from just the maples I got from MTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 The grey triangle became released into the market when the GE price floor was removed.Although yes, demand for them has also fallen with the fall in the price of maples too. Thanks to Jopie for this great signature.99 Slayer|Fishing|Summoning|Hitpoints|Attack|Strength|Defence|Fletching.Anyone at Manchester University PM me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtaurian Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Cheap (8gp) willows means you can buy 99 fletching for just over 3 million gp, or 99 firemaking for just over 1.1 million. Things surely have changed. I'd rather throw myself off a cliff than get 99 fletching/firemaking through willows. :( To put it bluntly, [bleep] off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albel Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Cheap (8gp) willows means you can buy 99 fletching for just over 3 million gp, or 99 firemaking for just over 1.1 million. Things surely have changed.I remember when I bough 99 firemaking way back in 2007 of willows for around 3.3mill. That was when the willows were really starting to drop in price. [hide=Quotes]Albel/JustinAlbel doesn't say anything anymore, just comes in, leaves an arrow and vanishes into the night :(Probablypractising some euphoniumYou nearly had me fooled, you fooler youEuphonium/10.9/10. To me, always associate Albel with musical stuff in OT.Everyone with a goatee and glasses is Albel now.lmfao albel m8 wat r u doin, hi though. [/hide][hide=Runescape Achievements]99 firemaking(2007), 99 woodcutting(2008), 99 fletching(2009), 99 magic(2010), 99 cooking(2010), 99 farming(2011), 99 construction(2011), 99 runecrafting(2012), 99 Hunter (2014), 99 ranged (2015), 99 HP (2015), 99 Slayer (2015), 99 attack (2015) 99 Defense (2015) 99 Prayer (2015) 99 Summoning (2015) 99 Strength(2015) 99 Herblore (2015) 99 Dungeoneering (2017) 99 Mining (2017) 99 Crafting (2017) 99 Smithing (2017) 99 Thieving (2017) 99 invention (2017) 99 Fishing (2018), 99 Divination (2018), 99 Agility (2018), MAXED (05/17/2018)[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptical Posted March 23, 2010 Author Share Posted March 23, 2010 I actually almost made that mistake: I did them until about lvl 92, my first (unsuccessful) attempt at 99. Then I just went back a did magic longs until 99. XD "Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security." Support transparency... and by extension, freedom and democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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