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So I volunteered at a daycare all this week, and before lunch they do this little chant

"Open and Shut and Open and shut and put them on your Lap, God is good, God is great, God is in our neighboorhood, Thank you God for everything"

Now I don't know much about the rules, but this is just a reguler daycare, no crosses anywhere, no nuns yada yada yada.

 

You think that them doing this is allowed?

 

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Kids are about 3-5 yrs old.

Its done once a day/

They have to do it before they eat (well I see them all do it, its a follow-along type of thing).

Open and shut refers to their hands FYI.

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Well there are previous cases in which this kind of thing is disallowed. For example here coaches cannot pray with the football team etc, still I do not see it as a big problem.

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Well there are previous cases in which this kind of thing is disallowed. For example here coaches cannot pray with the football team etc, still I do not see it as a big problem.

 

I do.

 

They're basically forcing upon their minds God's existence. Whether he exists or not is irrelevant- bottom line is that they literally force them to believe so.

 

 

 

This remided me of a quote of Dawkins. I don't remember the exact words, but he said that describing a child as Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etc, is like describing a child as Marxist and the like.

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It's up to the parents sending their children to the place that they see fit.

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Well im going to hell seeing how I read the chant as a sexual innuendo.

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@ Dizzle & abc-

 

They have to do it before they eat (well I see them all do it, its a follow-along type of thing).

 

They have to do it before they eat (well I see them all do it, its a follow-along type of thing).

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@ Dizzle & abc-

 

They have to do it before they eat (well I see them all do it, its a follow-along type of thing).

 

They have to do it before they eat (well I see them all do it, its a follow-along type of thing).

 

Could be both, I read it as "they have to".

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And the big deal is?

 

Everyday in primary school we always had to say a grace saying something about 'Thank you for the food we eat, thank you for the birds that sing, thank you God for everything'. At that point in time I was too young to care and my focus in life was running around like a madman. These kids are much younger than I was and I'm sure it doesn't bother them (unless they are really hungry and the grace hinders them from eating their food fast enough) but regarding if this allowed, there's that whole Church vs. State battle so I'm not too sure but the only ones who'd really be bothered are the parents who believe in different religions or don't believe in religion at all but then wouldn't this be equal to if the parents are forcing their religion/beliefs on their children? :mellow:

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Well there are previous cases in which this kind of thing is disallowed. For example here coaches cannot pray with the football team etc, still I do not see it as a big problem.

 

I do.

 

They're basically forcing upon their minds God's existence. Whether he exists or not is irrelevant- bottom line is that they literally force them to believe so.

 

I completly agree, getting at children at such a young age is appaling. Children should be allowed to make there own descisions.

Children don't know the meaning of all of this but overtime it'll just stick in there brain, God is great.

I expect that the parents don't know.

 

And the big deal is?

 

Everyday in primary school we always had to say a grace saying something about 'Thank you for the food we eat, thank you for the birds that sing, thank you God for everything'.

In my primary school we were forced to do it, I never did it. I felt god didn't exist and if a teacher saw me not doing it they would tell me off.

We used to say, thankyou lord for our food..... I just replied.

God didn't make this food, animals and farmers made this food. The government got the government to a point of giving free/payed meals at school.

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And the big deal is?

 

Everyday in primary school we always had to say a grace saying something about 'Thank you for the food we eat, thank you for the birds that sing, thank you God for everything'. At that point in time I was too young to care and my focus in life was running around like a madman. These kids are much younger than I was and I'm sure it doesn't bother them (unless they are really hungry and the grace hinders them from eating their food fast enough) but regarding if this allowed, there's that whole Church vs. State battle so I'm not too sure but the only ones who'd really be bothered are the parents who believe in different religions or don't believe in religion at all but then wouldn't this be equal to if the parents are forcing their religion/beliefs on their children? :mellow:

 

Ofcourse children don't care. Children simply don't understand what's wrong with it, you can see plenty of examples for that on the childhood thread or whatever it was called.

 

 

They're practically brainwashed when, on a daily basis, they thank their God.

 

 

And no, it's not the same thing at all. One side of the scale is repeating statements over and over, and the other is just not doing that...

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As usual it's up to the parents to decide if their kids should do that or not, but I agree with them doing that type of thing before eating.

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Tbh I don't think it's a problem. They shouldn't, in an ideal world, be forcing them to praise God but do you know what? Kids just don't give a crap. They couldn't give a crap about God. They're not being brainwashed or anything so conspiratorial. They just don't realise and don't care. Kids can think for themselves, though. I went to a Church of England Primary school for 7 years, but I never really was interested in God because I didn't care, and when I did think about it I didn't just blindly take their word for it. Since when did kids listen to teachers??

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Tbh I don't think it's a problem. They shouldn't, in an ideal world, be forcing them to praise God but do you know what? Kids just don't give a crap. They couldn't give a crap about God. They're not being brainwashed or anything so conspiratorial. They just don't realise and don't care. Kids can think for themselves, though. I went to a Church of England Primary school for 7 years, but I never really was interested in God because I didn't care, and when I did think about it I didn't just blindly take their word for it. Since when did kids listen to teachers??

 

Ofcourse children don't care. Children simply don't understand what's wrong with it, you can see plenty of examples for that on the childhood thread or whatever it was called.

 

 

I assure you atleast some of the children are brainwashed by repeating that. I know I was.

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You could say God is a symbol of good and just, not the actual Jesus Christ/Allah/blah blah blah type God.

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Unless this daycare is affiliated with a church I don't care, but if this daycare has no connection to a church I feel that they are over stepping their boundaries and should not be influencing the children's beliefs even if they already belief in god. I really stand behind the separation of church. I'm not anti-religious or anything but I don't think we should be forcing religion upon others.

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atheist parents of children can find a new daycare.

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Or... y'know... they could teach them to just say "Thanks for teh food." or something...? :/

Or just leave it as that? Does it bug you people that much of a mention of God? Even in the basic traditional symbol of good?

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Or... y'know... they could teach them to just say "Thanks for teh food." or something...? :/

Or just leave it as that? Does it bug you people that much of a mention of God? Even in the basic traditional symbol of good?

The people that started teh little chant thing are obviously trying to force their religion onto teh children :/ I don't think religion should be force onto anybody... (If it wasn't, there would be no religion :lol: )

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It's up to the parents sending their children to the place that they see fit.

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Most good nursery rhymes are religious. What rhymes should they do instead? "God might exist, but He might not, of course anyone can really choose! Also, science [bleep] yeah freedom [bleep]es!"

 

Actually, I think we're onto something there.

 

Also, forcing religion on children? Do you know children? They just assume they are whatever their parents are and give it no other thought. That doesn't really make them better than anyone else (well, around age 8 it does, but that's my least favorite age of child) in their minds. It isn't like they're going "NO I WANT TO READ ABOUT EVOLUTION". The recent surge of (generally hypocritical) atheism on the internet isn't going to up heave millenia of tradition. People don't work that way.

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I doubt they are forcing religion onto them, well not FORCING. Thats kinda a brute word to use, they are only kids.

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