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I watched the whole fight it was very close right until the end, both sides kept taking then losing the lead. There were DC's from RK's side that might have changed the outcome, but if you think a little, BK + TT could have came up with the same excuse if they DC in the original world (even if it was the original world ik.)
Im not taking sides, I have friends in both teams, but I say accept the defeat, because u faught amazing, so did TT+BK. Both of these teams would deserve to win, but luck was on BT's side.
Grats on the win BT, and good job RK, you did amazing, some turnouts of the war really amazed me.

Ps: Was kinda disappointed with the flaming in the end from both sides
Edit: If the evidences are strong enough, I'd rather see a rematch than a DQ. Just cause it was pretty good to watch xD

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At the end of the day rules are rules TT+BK broke them. Rules wouldn't have been set if they didn't mean anything TR+NBK Win. The game.


I would be careful to allude to the infallibility of rules as an aribiter on TR's behalf. One only need be reminded that TR failed to show up at all to the originally agreed upon date and time as set out by the negotiated rules by officials of both clans for the of the TT v TR 50 v 50 fight a few rounds ago.

It's been a few years since I've studied logic but perhaps it can be explained to me how a clan can argue to avoid disqualification by appealing to something higher then the rules itself then come back a few rounds later and claim the rules are infallible?

TR broke the rules of that particular fight and should have been disqualified by your arguement but we abided by a tip-it official's decision which was that it would be in the best interest of both clans involved and of the tournament to reschedule the fight given the situation which was done ( http://forum.tip.it/...-vs-the-rising/ )

I could of course point out the inherent paradox, given the above information, of what you've said but I won't because in fact the point of my argument here is that rules are meant as a guideline and not to attempt to seperate black and white. That is, of course, up to the officials and overseers of any given set of rules to interpret as contingencies and inconsistencies outside of the structure of the rules reach reveal themselves.

Needless to say it doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduct that missing a fight altogether is a far bigger breach of rules then a tip it official giving both clans an unbiased neutral fight world.

And more to the point if the first breach can and has been forgiven then certainly the second, being exponentially the lesser of the two, cannot be denied favour.

Once again, good fight TR and NBK. Despite the loss today both clans deserve recognition for performing extremely well lately. :thumbup:
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This sounds dumb

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2epic.. gratz tt and bk :thumbup:
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seems today is the day that tears flowed for a strong belief of runescape clan wars

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In the valley of RuneScape. Gratz TT + BK for the win. Really, I don't see why TR is complaining about DC's and laggy world, since it was decided by a Clan Staff. If you were lagging so bad so could've TT been lagging too. TR, you should be proud of your performance in the tournament and not to flow your tears on these forums. This isn't a flamebait and isn't posted as offence as I personally like TR, but W/E.

Gratz again BT for winning this Category. <3:

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@Andy, there was was flame throughout, when piles collided I saw [cabbage] like "NBK carried TR through" etc

@Ben and the other guy, last round we cut our higher levels and let our less experienced fall in leaders lead knowing the round didn't count for much

@The guy who brings up some other TT vs TR topic, its irrelevant.

@Anyone who wants to say we should of hopped, your clans agreed to it, and if the world changing is what caused the dc's then we're going to feel hard done. Next time don't accept rules you can't live up to.

I've not claimed we won at any point, but our DC's cost us, and we had the lead several times, for you to turn round and spam "too easy" and so forth is not on. I can take a loss but I'm not going to tolerate your insolence.

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At the end of the day rules are rules TT+BK broke them. Rules wouldn't have been set if they didn't mean anything TR+NBK Win. The game.


I would be careful to allude to the infallibility of rules as an aribiter on TR's behalf. One only need be reminded that TR failed to show up at all to the originally agreed upon date and time as set out by the negotiated rules by officials of both clans for the of the TT v TR 50 v 50 fight a few rounds ago.

It's been a few years since I've studied logic but perhaps it can be explained to me how a clan can argue to avoid disqualification by appealing to something higher then the rules itself then come back a few rounds later and claim the rules are infallible?

TR broke the rules of that particular fight and should have been disqualified by your arguement but we abided by a tip-it official's decision which was that it would be in the best interest of both clans involved and of the tournament to reschedule the fight given the situation which was done ( http://forum.tip.it/...-vs-the-rising/ )

I could of course point out the inherent paradox, given the above information, of what you've said but I won't because in fact the point of my argument here is that rules are meant as a guideline and not to attempt to seperate black and white. That is, of course, up to the officials and overseers of any given set of rules to interpret as contingencies and inconsistencies outside of the structure of the rules reach reveal themselves.

Needless to say it doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduct that missing a fight altogether is a far bigger breach of rules then a tip it official giving both clans an unbiased neutral fight world.

And more to the point if the first breach can and has been forgiven then certainly the second, being exponentially the lesser of the two, cannot be denied favour.

Once again, good fight TR and NBK. Despite the loss today both clans deserve recognition for performing extremely well lately. :thumbup:



You do enjoy veering off topic. TT+BK Broke the rules, if its ok for TT+BK to break the rules for the agreed fight then every clan in the future shall to.

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In the valley of RuneScape. Gratz TT + BK for the win. Really, I don't see why TR is complaining about DC's and laggy world, since it was decided by a Clan Staff. If you were lagging so bad so could've TT been lagging too. TR, you should be proud of your performance in the tournament and not to flow your tears on these forums. This isn't a flamebait and isn't posted as offence as I personally like TR, but W/E.

Gratz again BT for winning this Category. <3:

Its more NBK rather then TR to be completely honest. More or less likely because this is the closest they have come to winning a tornement :unsure: no flame intended

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Anyhow we won with 8 remaining and I had to leave early (because it took so long to start) so I really don't think the outcome would have changed either way.

Most fights end with 50-60% of one sides people remaining, but in this case it was blatantly a lot closer because of the DCs. RK were actually ahead by 2 at the 16-14 stage and in a 20v20, that basically means victory however RK suffered a DC letting BT come back to even it out since you killed your target at the same time. So actually 8 people is very little especially from a big fight like this lol. Had BT won with maybe 25-30 remaining, I would have said the DCs would have made no difference but since you ended with only 8, they obviously did.

So on from that, the DCs affected the fight by a clear mile. Considering that the rules had been agreed upon by all parties, agreeing on 81, and then BT haggled (so basically breaking being late for disqualification and not fighting in the world designated) resulted in the DCs being one of the BIG reasons RK lost, without them, I would have bet that RK would have won this.

In my honest opinion, do a RM. Had W134 been originally agreed upon, then fine, gratz BT. But it wasn't, you refused to war in 81 which you agreed on in the rules (so your fault for accepting) and when you lag because your officials didn't check the world first you expect the world to revolve around you and get the world changed? Your clan broke the world rule and the lateness rule - considering yourselves lucky you weren't DQd.

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In the valley of RuneScape. Gratz TT + BK for the win. Really, I don't see why TR is complaining about DC's and laggy world, since it was decided by a Clan Staff. If you were lagging so bad so could've TT been lagging too. TR, you should be proud of your performance in the tournament and not to flow your tears on these forums. This isn't a flamebait and isn't posted as offence as I personally like TR, but W/E.

Gratz again BT for winning this Category. <3:

Its more NBK rather then TR to be completely honest. More or less likely because this is the closest they have come to winning a tornement :unsure: no flame intended


The flame was intended saying it wasn't means nothing. We'd kick up a fuss regardless of the round.

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and here i was thinking tip it was better than zybez...

wrong again. this has just as many whiners on it.

not being funny but it was common courtesy to hop worlds. our officials asked for a world before 9pm which your officials ignored, finally 5 mins late you replied with world 81 has already been agree'd upon. we hop to 81 and 90% of our 73 man turnout are lagging and losing connection before we even enter the portal. we ask for a world hop and you seem set on world 81 for whatever stupid reason. by now it's 9:10pm gmt so we contact a tip.it mod instead of messing around and the fight eventually starts

in short you had a choice of other worlds but your officials were stubborn so the fight started late because a mod had to get involved and sort out your 5 year old temper tantrum.

honestly...

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and here i was thinking tip it was better than zybez...

wrong again. this has just as many whiners on it.


3/4 Clans in this topic are RSC based. BEEF is going to happen in a Final Round especially when there was problems w/ the war before it happened.

If you expected Tip.it to be hugs and kisses you were wrong, but trust me the stuff that happens here is more civilized and more debate like rather than L0L U GUISE SUCK

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Anyhow we won with 8 remaining and I had to leave early (because it took so long to start) so I really don't think the outcome would have changed either way.

Most fights end with 50-60% of one sides people remaining, but in this case it was blatantly a lot closer because of the DCs. RK were actually ahead by 2 at the 16-14 stage and in a 20v20, that basically means victory however RK suffered a DC letting BT come back to even it out since you killed your target at the same time. So actually 8 people is very little especially from a big fight like this lol. Had BT won with maybe 25-30 remaining, I would have said the DCs would have made no difference but since you ended with only 8, they obviously did.

So on from that, the DCs affected the fight by a clear mile. Considering that the rules had been agreed upon by all parties, agreeing on 81, and then BT haggled (so basically breaking being late for disqualification and not fighting in the world designated) resulted in the DCs being one of the BIG reasons RK lost, without them, I would have bet that RK would have won this.

In my honest opinion, do a RM. Had W134 been originally agreed upon, then fine, gratz BT. But it wasn't, you refused to war in 81 which you agreed on in the rules (so your fault for accepting) and when you lag because your officials didn't check the world first you expect the world to revolve around you and get the world changed? Your clan broke the world rule and the lateness rule - considering yourselves lucky you weren't DQd.


Ever heard of people being out of food because they've been sniped out/piled earlier in the fight? Lol.

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@Andy, there was was flame throughout, when piles collided I saw [cabbage] like "NBK carried TR through" etc

@Ben and the other guy, last round we cut our higher levels and let our less experienced fall in leaders lead knowing the round didn't count for much

@The guy who brings up some other TT vs TR topic, its irrelevant.

@Anyone who wants to say we should of hopped, your clans agreed to it, and if the world changing is what caused the dc's then we're going to feel hard done. Next time don't accept rules you can't live up to.

I've not claimed we won at any point, but our DC's cost us, and we had the lead several times, for you to turn round and spam "too easy" and so forth is not on. I can take a loss but I'm not going to tolerate your insolence.


Sounds like an excuse to me, you used your best team in the other semi-final judging by this picture (http://i384.photobuc.../Picture218.png) and again, we ended with more against them than you did. Saying you didn't try in the semi-final round vs us now seems a little convenient seeing as it hasn't been mentioned before.

The topic that teucrates mentioned isn't irrelevant, as it is an example of a clan being late (by over an hour) and tip.it allowing them to reschedule rather than Dq'ing them (for the record this is different from our case, Tr never showed up to fight us which is why it had to be rescheduled, we were present before this fight was agreed to start, we simply disagreed over the world)

You can feel hard done by the world, but it was chosen by an impartial official, we are to blame for agreeing to a world before we had any oppurtunity to test it out, but as I mentioned before, you had no reason to be so inflexible. You could have entered a discussion and set up a world good for both of us (again, reiterating myself, despite the previous round, world 81 clearly wasn't good for us this time, otherwise we had no reason to request a switch), instead you decided to be stubborn (again.. the only viable reason for that would be just to spite us). Our decision not to use a laggy world and your stubbornness are the direct causes of the new world being chosen, you are as much to blame for the new world being chosen by an outsider as us and it's only through bad luck that you got the dc's rather than us. Honestly, give me a SINGLE reason not to compromise with our officials and hop other than "It was the rules", rules are to ensure fairness (they require reason, old laws are changed as situations change), it would have taken 5 minutes to find a new world that worked out for both of us (alternatively, you can come up with a reason why we would want you to hop if we weren't lagging, especially since we didn't get to choose what world we hopped to and therefore had no control over who it would be worse for).

At the end of the day, you fought and lost, if you had walked away and refused the impartially chosen world maybe you could make an arguement that you had an issue with the rules being altered. Since you fought and decided to complain afterwards, it is apparent that you either want a cheap win or are bitter about the loss.

As to any flaming, shrug it off, your a member of your own clan, you have the only valid opinion of it. If someone else tells me my clan sucks then I laugh at them, because at the end of the day they don't have a clue

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I honestly don't see where it is RK are basing their arguments from. This was a two part operation. On one side you have the Tip.it official who set a neutral world, and the other side the TR officials who agreed to the new world. Lone behold, it's only now that you scream bloody mary and run around like chickens with your heads cut off trying to DQ us. If I were an Tip.it official, I would be offended. More or less, what your saying to them is, "Your judgment isn't good enough, now by the all mighty power invested within ourselves, we demand that you disqualify them!"

Some of you seem extremely desperate for this win. Does the 'I won a CWA fight' sig mean that much to you?

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@Andy, there was was flame throughout, when piles collided I saw [cabbage] like "NBK carried TR through" etc

@Ben and the other guy, last round we cut our higher levels and let our less experienced fall in leaders lead knowing the round didn't count for much

@The guy who brings up some other TT vs TR topic, its irrelevant.

@Anyone who wants to say we should of hopped, your clans agreed to it, and if the world changing is what caused the dc's then we're going to feel hard done. Next time don't accept rules you can't live up to.

I've not claimed we won at any point, but our DC's cost us, and we had the lead several times, for you to turn round and spam "too easy" and so forth is not on. I can take a loss but I'm not going to tolerate your insolence.


Sounds like an excuse to me, you used your best team in the other semi-final judging by this picture (http://i384.photobuc.../Picture218.png) and again, we ended with more against them than you did. Saying you didn't try in the semi-final round vs us now seems a little convenient seeing as it hasn't been mentioned before.

The topic that teucrates mentioned isn't irrelevant, as it is an example of a clan being late (by over an hour) and tip.it allowing them to reschedule rather than Dq'ing them (for the record this is different from our case, Tr never showed up to fight us which is why it had to be rescheduled, we were present before this fight was agreed to start, we simply disagreed over the world)

You can feel hard done by the world, but it was chosen by an impartial official, we are to blame for agreeing to a world before we had any oppurtunity to test it out, but as I mentioned before, you had no reason to be so inflexible. You could have entered a discussion and set up a world good for both of us (again, reiterating myself, despite the previous round, world 81 clearly wasn't good for us this time, otherwise we had no reason to request a switch), instead you decided to be stubborn (again.. the only viable reason for that would be just to spite us). Our decision not to use a laggy world and your stubbornness are the direct causes of the new world being chosen, you are as much to blame for the new world being chosen by an outsider as us and it's only through bad luck that you got the dc's rather than us. Honestly, give me a SINGLE reason not to compromise with our officials and hop other than "It was the rules", rules are to ensure fairness (they require reason, old laws are changed as situations change), it would have taken 5 minutes to find a new world that worked out for both of us (alternatively, you can come up with a reason why we would want you to hop if we weren't lagging, especially since we didn't get to choose what world we hopped to and therefore had no control over who it would be worse for).

At the end of the day, you fought and lost, if you had walked away and refused the impartially chosen world maybe you could make an arguement that you had an issue with the rules being altered. Since you fought and decided to complain afterwards, it is apparent that you either want a cheap win or are bitter about the loss.

As to any flaming, shrug it off, your a member of your own clan, you have the only valid opinion of it. If someone else tells me my clan sucks then I laugh at them, because at the end of the day they don't have a clue


Believe it or not you are wrong, we had higher levels than that, but I'd cut some of the lower levels for the CE+SE fight and decided to let them fight since we were through to the final. Convenient like all of TT+BK lagging. OK.

Ex-BK is not an impartial official. The reason for being inflexible was the rules were set, you inconvenienced us with a lie, not one of the American members was lagging on world 81. We aren't the cause of a new world being chosen as we were happy with the world that was agreed to. I would of been willing to compromise had there been reports of lagg from the American members we had, we asked in audio and cc and no-one person said they were lagging, rather than go along with your lagg story, we kept to the plan and stayed. Your motives are your motives, possibly stalling for a fall in leader. As I said I can take a loss, but the attitude of your members was one of the worst I've ever seen, no particular flame annoys me theyre just pixels on a screen, but the unprovoked attempts at it, are sour in gracious and tarnish mine and others opinions of what I thought were two respectable clans. "Good Fight" "Respect" aren't so hard to type are they?

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Abs didnt exactly leave BK on the best of terms mate. But thats not the point. Even if we had asked any other Tip it Clan Mod, im positive that they would have chosen a different world. Like Teucrates said, its not rocket science. If one or both clans are lagging really really bad in the chosen world, surely you would rather see a well fought contest in a lag free world, or would you rather each clan have about 10 DC's and one clan just scrap the win?
Granted, you had a few DC's, but trust me, it would have been more in W81. I literally couldnt move in W81 and I am lagging quite a bit nowadays ( [cabbaging] ash cloud... :P). Surely the best choice of action is a unbiased world choice from an actual Tip It Clan Mod?

Anyways, on to the flames. BK and TT do not just go around flaming clans for no reason. I know for a fact that it doesnt happen in BK (Apart from Powpang, he has downs) and I know that TT are one of the most honourable clans out there.And thats not propaganda fed to me, thats from knowing a few TT members and spending time in their IRC and TS...
Dont pretend like you didnt flame us either. But thats to be expected. If your waiting 20 minutes for a fight because of this world nonsense, then you would have every right to get a bit tetchy. Some of the more.. "pro active" members of both clans will then have a flame or two. Flaming has become a part of warring now, as much as tanking or sniping. And as much as officials will try and stop it, theres bound to be some flames from clans.

You guys put up a great fight and if it hadnt been for your DC's, you may well have edged it. But BT had more luck on their side today and we were able to prevail. Respect to TR and NBK for doing extremely well in getting to the final, it obviously proves you worked as a good unit.
Thanks to The Titans for teaming with us, its been a pleasure warring with you (Even though I never actually warred in any fight, cause I have low stats... <_< ) and I would love it if we could do some more events together :D

Also, a special mention to BK for that superb ending, 8 BK's and 1 TT? Step it up Titans..... <3

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Ok so basically... The Titans and Blacknights won the fight, am I wrong in saying this? No.

The confussion about the worlds is just straight up dumb, we (TT+BK) were informed there was no set world and we had screenshots of our IRC log showing that no world was mentioned in the text, however TR+NBK do. I'm not saying either are wrong but there was obviously a massive lack of communication going on or miscommunication if you will.

TR is a GMT based clan and will never compete into the EST bridge, so quite frankly they will obviously want to fight on a European world to favour themselves. Fair enough, I would probably want to do that aswell. What I don't understand is why people still need to bring up the point of DC'ing and lag, it works both ways you know and by paper no TR should of lagged that bad due to the fact they're mostly all European. If TR would like to continue whining about a loss, please do so because it's not like you don't do it on every single topic that you lose on anyway.

I can see why NBK wish to proceed in the arguements due to the fact that this is the closest they will ever come to any sort of success.

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