Mod Mark H reveal RuneFest item 2010

[Zepheras]

I really find the over reaction in this thread unbelieveable. It's not as if they're giving some super weapon. Its a banner which is effectively meaningless unless you went to the event.

i agree full heartedly (and im not going to runefest btw)

 

It's an item that the following groups of people would permanently miss out on:

 

those below age 16.

those unable to afford the cost of the trip.

those unwilling to participate in a real-life event over a game.

 

However, it's an item that the following groups of people can obtain:

 

those who bought the ticket to attend

those who bought the ticket just for the item, and does not intend to go for the event

those who get the item off another player

 

Sure, it's just cosmetic. But then again why would this be necessary? You paid cash for a real life event. Real life commerative items, perhaps with 'Runefest 2010' printed on them, would have been more suitable, and Jagex did intend to give out. This additional step is just generate a negative atmosphere simply because suddenly it makes a difference to the game as well. And if you think that Jagex has some way to prevent the transfer of the redeem code to another account, think again. If they can confirm the accounts that would be redeeming the item, they could have directly added the items to those accounts without the redeeming code step.

 

And it's plausible that someone would buy the ticket just for the item as well, silly as it may sound. You may not want to pay hundreds of bucks for airfare, accomdation and such, but 75 bucks for an item that permanetly makes your account unique?

[Will H]

Eh, alright. Considering that it is purely cosmetic, it's fine. It's like a holiday item but for the event.

[Dire_Wolf]

I really find the over reaction in this thread unbelieveable. It's not as if they're giving some super weapon. Its a banner which is effectively meaningless unless you went to the event.

i agree full heartedly (and im not going to runefest btw)

I get that too, but i know a friend who were very annoyed over not having two cosmetic items that i had. So cosmetic updates are nice for videos.

[qeltar]

I really find the over reaction in this thread unbelieveable. It's not as if they're giving some super weapon. Its a banner which is effectively meaningless unless you went to the event.

Whether the reaction is rational or not, it is entirely predictable. People don't like feeling left out, and there are years of history to show how people respond to missing out on limited-time or "had to have been there" items.

 

What is unbelievable to me is that Jagex would do something like this and not know the response it would elicit. But then, that does seem to be a pattern of late.

 

It's also amazing that a company this large, with this much money, can turn an event like this into such a PR disaster. And in so many different ways! Truly a spectacle to behold.

[jsboutin2]

This banner DOESN'T do ANYTHING.

 

Why would you mind not having it that much?

[Zepheras]

This banner DOESN'T do ANYTHING.

 

Why would you mind not having it that much?

 

So is the bunny ears, or the scythe. Would the players who have them mind if Jagex give them out again? It's just a cosmetic item.

 

The answer is yes, by the way. a difference is a difference.

[Denith]

I really find the over reaction in this thread unbelieveable. It's not as if they're giving some super weapon. Its a banner which is effectively meaningless unless you went to the event.

Whether the reaction is rational or not, it is entirely predictable. People don't like feeling left out, and there are years of history to show how people respond to missing out on limited-time or "had to have been there" items.

 

What is unbelievable to me is that Jagex would do something like this and not know the response it would elicit. But then, that does seem to be a pattern of late.

 

It's also amazing that a company this large, with this much money, can turn an event like this into such a PR disaster. And in so many different ways! Truly a spectacle to behold.

 

Cut them some slack, this is the first official rs event. There are bound to be some mistakes.

[Den]

This banner DOESN'T do ANYTHING.

 

Why would you mind not having it that much?

 

Treasure trail items do nothing as well.

 

Doesnt mean people dont want them/use them.

 

And as Sirhemen stated earlier, holiday-esque items are very nice for video's.

[Madouge]

 

 

What is unbelievable to me is that Jagex would do something like this and not know the response it would elicit. But then, that does seem to be a pattern of late.

 

 

Bad Jagex, for not realising that their players would act like spoilt children...

 

Seriously, my respect for this forum has decreased severely just from this thread.

[Dragonlordjl]

I really find the over reaction in this thread unbelieveable. It's not as if they're giving some super weapon. Its a banner which is effectively meaningless unless you went to the event.

Whether the reaction is rational or not, it is entirely predictable. People don't like feeling left out, and there are years of history to show how people respond to missing out on limited-time or "had to have been there" items.

 

What is unbelievable to me is that Jagex would do something like this and not know the response it would elicit. But then, that does seem to be a pattern of late.

 

It's also amazing that a company this large, with this much money, can turn an event like this into such a PR disaster. And in so many different ways! Truly a spectacle to behold.

 

Cut them some slack, this is the first official rs event. There are bound to be some mistakes.

Baaaaaa.

 

Anyone with any modicum of common sense would immediately see the problems associated with tying an in-game item to an EXPENSIVE real world purchase. Jagex, unfortunately, has proven themselves time and time again to be devoid of any common sense.

[das]

I have no problem with Jagex giving an in game item to those who went, i think it's completely fair

 

I disagree. How is it fair that by accident of simply being born across the ocean from the eventual Jagex HQ that I have absolutely no opportunity to attend this event? Yes I can purchase the ticket and redeem the item if I seriously wanted to, but why would I put that money into an event and get 5% opportunity 'payback' than I would if I actually lived in England and could attend?

 

I don't know. Call me bitter..but this doesn't seem fair.

 

Do you have the ablility to think outside of yourself? People payed money to go to RuneFest, they deserve a nice little cosmetic item. There is no reason that this is "unfair"

 

 

I do, And i'm a convention goer.

 

Most Comic-Cons or cons for movies/shows give exclusive free stuff for attendees. Often it's a promotional bag of items from various vendors attending who want free publicity.

San Diego Comic con - has had exclusive action figures for every major line from Gi Joe to Star Wars/transformers/marvel/dc whatever for the past decade or so.

 

These items would SKYROCKET on ebay after the con and sell for triple or more of what an attendee paid for them.the following few days, some of these items are hundreds more now than they were.

Then hasbro and others got the bright idea "we can make more money if we sell our con exlusives online at our website the following day at the store online the next day!" - Not many people complained, even though the item lost a metric ton of value. Why?

 

1) although toy collecting is expensive, not everyone can take a week off, fly to san deigo and attend

2) it alienates collectors. collectors who spend anywhere from a few hundred to thousands of dollars on a line per year.

3) It's good PR - hasbro gets kudos once a year from the collector community for making nice figures available to all.

 

 

One issue is - people who go to cons often sell free stuff on ebay to cover the costs. I know a few years ago - the iron man "Stark industries" flash drives from the marvel booth were selling for $20-30. Sometimes you can sell your bag to cover your ticket cost. Jagex has stated numerous times RWT and selling items is horrible, not in the spirit of the game and the sort. doing this - in an ADULT ONLY con when the audience is 13-18 and making it an exclusive thing in london certainly seems to indicate the spirit of the game has shifted.

 

Make some exclusive plush animals, or comic, something tangible, exclusive and sellable - keep game items out of it.

 

I'm all for con exclusives, but game content for an overpriced (sorry, i'm comparing it to conventions on the hole) con seems to contradict everything jagex has stood for.

 

It's not about the price though, I've spent over $300 on collectibles in the last 60 Days according to my bank account :-P - so obviously I can swing a $116 ticket however.

 

1) It doesn't seem fair to do this in a game populated by kids who cant attend the event

2) even if i bought a ticket, I have a JOB, i can't just take off of work on a dime

3) the event would probably cost an american person a grand or so, and not everyone has that type of money (food, hotel, flight, other $$$ to buy stuff)

 

 

So no, don't see where in game exclusive content is needed for this con, it doesn't affect my interest. i'd rather go to SDCC or if london, LFCC because you get more value for your money and there will be more to do than drink some whiskey with some gamers at those cons than runefest will have to do.

[Creaphis]

"I want to be special and unique by having the same items that other people have!"

 

Jesus Christ. Grow up, people.

[Zepheras]

 

 

What is unbelievable to me is that Jagex would do something like this and not know the response it would elicit. But then, that does seem to be a pattern of late.

 

 

Bad Jagex, for not realising that their players would act like spoilt children...

 

Seriously, my respect for this forum has decreased severely just from this thread.

 

 

If I'm playing a game where microtransaction (even for cosmetic items) is the norm, I know what I'm in for. You pay a fee for more skills and items, those who play the game know what they're in for. Holiday items are seasonal items, I blame no one for missing out on an item for whatever reason. But a corporation that openly declared that they'll never sell in-game items for cash, and yet offer an extra item for 75 bucks? Apparently the banner is a comemorative item, but what sets apart an active player who has it from another active player who doesn't?

 

Cash.

 

It's not so much about the item, but the fact that Jagex was against the policy of microtransaction in the first place. I would rather they take back their word and add a cash shop selling cosmetic item for a dollar each.

[qeltar]

I really find the over reaction in this thread unbelieveable. It's not as if they're giving some super weapon. Its a banner which is effectively meaningless unless you went to the event.

Whether the reaction is rational or not, it is entirely predictable. People don't like feeling left out, and there are years of history to show how people respond to missing out on limited-time or "had to have been there" items.

 

What is unbelievable to me is that Jagex would do something like this and not know the response it would elicit. But then, that does seem to be a pattern of late.

 

It's also amazing that a company this large, with this much money, can turn an event like this into such a PR disaster. And in so many different ways! Truly a spectacle to behold.

 

Cut them some slack, this is the first official rs event. There are bound to be some mistakes.

 

Hey, I don't care, it's not *my* foot they keep shooting.

 

I find it really bizarre, that's all. I can't think of another company that so badly misunderstands its own customers, yet steadfastly refuses to ever conduct market research before springing boneheaded plans on everyone. They do it month after month, and still the sheeple bleat, so I guess they figure it's easier than actually expending the energy to do things that make sense.

 

At the rate they're going, this should be renamed ClusterFest 2010.

[Ambler]

Does ne1 know how many tickets there is for sale? I was thinking of getting one- as I am in london at the time- but I dont think it will really be worth it! >.<

[Dragonlordjl]

 

 

What is unbelievable to me is that Jagex would do something like this and not know the response it would elicit. But then, that does seem to be a pattern of late.

 

 

Bad Jagex, for not realising that their players would act like spoilt children...

 

Seriously, my respect for this forum has decreased severely just from this thread.

 

 

If I'm playing a game where microtransaction (even for cosmetic items) is the norm, I know what I'm in for. You pay a fee for more skills and items, those who play the game know what they're in for. Holiday items are seasonal items, I blame no one for missing out on an item for whatever reason. But a corporation that openly declared that they'll never sell in-game items for cash, and yet offer an extra item for 75 bucks? Apparently the banner is a comemorative item, but what sets apart an active player who has it from another active player who doesn't?

 

Cash.

 

It's not so much about the item, but the fact that Jagex was against the policy of microtransaction in the first place. I would rather they take back their word and add a cash shop selling cosmetic item for a dollar each.

 

Exactly. It's not the item that bothers me but the precedent.

[Slayer_Jesse]

I really find the over reaction in this thread unbelieveable. It's not as if they're giving some super weapon. Its a banner which is effectively meaningless unless you went to the event.

Whether the reaction is rational or not, it is entirely predictable. People don't like feeling left out, and there are years of history to show how people respond to missing out on limited-time or "had to have been there" items.

 

What is unbelievable to me is that Jagex would do something like this and not know the response it would elicit. But then, that does seem to be a pattern of late.

 

It's also amazing that a company this large, with this much money, can turn an event like this into such a PR disaster. And in so many different ways! Truly a spectacle to behold.

 

Cut them some slack, this is the first official rs event. There are bound to be some mistakes.

 

Hey, I don't care, it's not *my* foot they keep shooting.

 

I find it really bizarre, that's all. I can't think of another company that so badly misunderstands its own customers, yet steadfastly refuses to ever conduct market research before springing boneheaded plans on everyone. They do it month after month, and still the sheeple bleat, so I guess they figure it's easier than actually expending the energy to do things that make sense.

 

At the rate they're going, this should be renamed ClusterFest 2010.

Really. When they first announced it, i thought, "Is this another april fool's joke?"

[foofoomagoo]

Its just a banner not really a must have..

[Amundogus2]

Oh my god Tip.It. This is disappointing. Half of you are acting like small kids, crying because they didn't get the lollipop that the next door neighbour got.

Its a GODDAMN FLAG! Sure, its a pretty cool item, but its not like something was stolen from you.

Heck, I have a whole lot of water to cross to get over there, and I'm not going to do it. But I'm not gonna whine that somebody else gets the fun.

 

EDIT: And its NOT a microtransaction. Its a gift. You pay for the event. Then you get a gift. An entirely useless gift to remember the event by. Geddit?

[Den]

Really. When they first announced it, i thought, "Is this another april fool's joke?"

 

It did remind me of Runescape Wet n' Wildy. :P

[Dragonlordjl]

Oh my god Tip.It. This is disappointing. Half of you are acting like small kids, crying because they didn't get the lollipop that the next door neighbour got.

Its a GODDAMN FLAG! Sure, its a pretty cool item, but its not like something was stolen from you.

Heck, I have a whole lot of water to cross to get over there, and I'm not going to do it. But I'm not gonna whine that somebody else gets the fun.

 

EDIT: And its NOT a microtransaction. Its a gift. You pay for the event. Then you get a gift. An entirely useless gift to remember the event by. Geddit?

But what will end up happening is many people will just buy the tickets so they can get the item.

[Amundogus2]

Oh my god Tip.It. This is disappointing. Half of you are acting like small kids, crying because they didn't get the lollipop that the next door neighbour got.

Its a GODDAMN FLAG! Sure, its a pretty cool item, but its not like something was stolen from you.

Heck, I have a whole lot of water to cross to get over there, and I'm not going to do it. But I'm not gonna whine that somebody else gets the fun.

 

EDIT: And its NOT a microtransaction. Its a gift. You pay for the event. Then you get a gift. An entirely useless gift to remember the event by. Geddit?

But what will end up happening is many people will just buy the tickets so they can get the item.

Thats up to them, isnt it? They're abusing the system. Its still not microtransactions.

[Zepheras]

Oh my god Tip.It. This is disappointing. Half of you are acting like small kids, crying because they didn't get the lollipop that the next door neighbour got.

Its a GODDAMN FLAG! Sure, its a pretty cool item, but its not like something was stolen from you.

Heck, I have a whole lot of water to cross to get over there, and I'm not going to do it. But I'm not gonna whine that somebody else gets the fun.

 

EDIT: And its NOT a microtransaction. Its a gift. You pay for the event. Then you get a gift. An entirely useless gift to remember the event by. Geddit?

 

 

Sure, it's a gift. I'm sure Jagex can start giving a 'gift' out every month or two for signing up for membership.

 

If they're sincerely commemorating the event, the redeeming code should be given out in the goodie bag on the day of the event. It is clear that releasing the item before hand is going to give the tickets sale a slight push in the right direction.

 

I'm not saying that Jagex can't give out free cosmetic items for membership/purchase of tickets. I'm saying that if they should not announce their disapproval for microtransaction, only to act in a manner that makes people doubt their words. It was unnecessary at the end of the day. At first people are merely discussing whether they would be going or not based on their constraints, or whether the ticket price is reasonable, and what they might see there. Now there's a new issue for discussion that could have totally been avoided.

 

There's a reason for certain trends being changed. Holiday items becoming untradeable, no more wintumber tree-like events, ice strykewyrms getting a change in requirements; The precedence creates unfairness among the players, hence the change. Why mess up your PR for this, again?

[jsboutin2]

Oh my god Tip.It. This is disappointing. Half of you are acting like small kids, crying because they didn't get the lollipop that the next door neighbour got.

Its a GODDAMN FLAG! Sure, its a pretty cool item, but its not like something was stolen from you.

Heck, I have a whole lot of water to cross to get over there, and I'm not going to do it. But I'm not gonna whine that somebody else gets the fun.

 

EDIT: And its NOT a microtransaction. Its a gift. You pay for the event. Then you get a gift. An entirely useless gift to remember the event by. Geddit?

But what will end up happening is many people will just buy the tickets so they can get the item.

Thats up to them, isnt it? They're abusing the system. Its still not microtransactions.

And seriously, paying 75 pounds for a banner that doesn't do anything would be a bit extreme, even more as most people don't give a **** about a banner.

[Trollface]

It's only a freaking banner. It's not like Jagex is selling a Chuck Norris Godsword or 2x experience cards.