C rapier vs C longsword

[Squisher_33]

rapier for sure, this is just like whip vs gs. and we all know whips better than gs so then in my mind id take rapier

 

you have the "but not for bosses" for most people in maxed gear, ull do better on bandos with a whip and you will with a gs, even tho gs gives 30 more att bonus its not a huge deal for a maxed setup, its just dps in my mind

 

but this is probably bias because all i do is slay

 

personaly i want buyable dung rewards, as in for x ammount of tokens u can buy a weapon thats awsome inside daemonheim, or for x ammount of tokens u can bind another item

[Assume Nothing]

rapier for sure, this is just like whip vs gs. and we all know whips better than gs so then in my mind id take rapier

 

you have the "but not for bosses" for most people in maxed gear, ull do better on bandos with a whip and you will with a gs, even tho gs gives 30 more att bonus its not a huge deal for a maxed setup, its just dps in my mind

 

but this is probably bias because all i do is slay

 

personaly i want buyable dung rewards, as in for x ammount of tokens u can buy a weapon thats awsome inside daemonheim, or for x ammount of tokens u can bind another item

 

These debates are like whip vs godsword, but not quite. The difference in speed of Whip vs Gs is 1.2 seconds, or 2 game ticks. The difference between speed of Rapier vs Longsword is 0.6 seconds, or 1 game tick. The difference in accuracy is 30, and 19 strength bonus.

 

Having no spreadsheets/equations on hand, I don't know which one will be better. I just consider the Longsword a 'fast gs', the maul as a 'stronger gs' and the rapier as a stronger and more accurate whip.

[bedman]

The fact that whip is better than GS at, say Bandos, makes me believe that Rapier might actually be better than GS, not only at slayer, but also for bossing. I can't tell before extensive testing is done though (but this seems hard to do for boss monsters, since there are so many factors coming in).

[o_knames]

I'd have to go with the C Longsword, because the other one is CRapier.

 

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Levon_]

I'd have to go with the C Longsword, because the other one is CRapier.

 

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

I lold irl

 

But yes. I'd go with long. Just cause.

[anonymouse_]

Nomad is unbelievably easy with rapier (was he ever hard...?). Just killed him on my first try with a few brews and a uni (no bob).

[Slayer_Jesse]

Nomad is unbelievably easy with rapier (was he ever hard...?). Just killed him on my first try with a few brews and a uni (no bob).

 

yes, and it had nothing to do with the fact that you have soul split [/end sarcasm]

[PereGrin]

I'd have to go with the C Longsword, because the other one is CRapier.

 

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Hahaha epic.

 

And I would go with the Long also, just because I don't believe that the rapier is gonna be as awesome as people say it will be.

[Mazhar]

Nomad is unbelievably easy with rapier (was he ever hard...?). Just killed him on my first try with a few brews and a uni (no bob).

I know a guy who did it w/ 4 brews using zs and titan :S

[nicrune007]

rapier is crapier :grin:

[totalpwnage]

I'm going with what people say who have experience with using both weapons. From what I've beed told by these people... Rapier > Longsword, even in PvP. It's like how I can kill people using a gs when I'm using a sara sword - speed can make a huge difference. Also, as someone mentioned earlier, we already have major slash weapons.

 

The reason I want a rapier is because I can keep a stab-focused set-up in PvP without risking my rapier or a ton of money. You can bring higher stab bonuses and use a dds for specs. However, if you want a slash focused with the longsword, what are you gonna use? VLS protects under CLS when degraded (at least I think), GS protects over CLS, Dlong can hit but isn't very good of a KO weapon.. you'll probably be using DDS.

 

Also Rapier + Vesta Spear (corrupt probably) = epic win? They aren't THAT expensive (1m for spear) though still kinda expensive -- something you would use mainly for targets. I'm aware you could use that with the CLS but CLS has higher str with rune defender or an obby shield.

 

I know that most setups have higher stab def than slash def, but barely. But whenever I run into someone using a torso OR vesta, its over - torso has decent slash defense but TERRIBLE stab (like 30 less than slash) and vesta is primarily weak to stab (again about 30 less than slash). This isn't really uncommon to see. So anybody that loves their strength bonus in PvP will be an easy kill for me.

Basically what I mean by the above statement is that most setups will have maybe about 5-10 more stab defense over slash defense, and when I encounter something different, unless its statius, my stab based gear will have the advantage.

 

I just see the Rapier having so much potential basically towards stab based setups. ESPECIALLY that rapier + vesta spear combo in PvP.

 

I will say though that the longsword has a little bit of appeal to me because of the fact that I've used 21 Vesta Longswords and it has higher stats than VLS but no spec >.>

[Dragonlordjl]

I'm going with what people say who have experience with using both weapons. From what I've beed told by these people... Rapier > Longsword, even in PvP. It's like how I can kill people using a gs when I'm using a sara sword - speed can make a huge difference. Also, as someone mentioned earlier, we already have major slash weapons.

 

The reason I want a rapier is because I can keep a stab-focused set-up in PvP without risking my rapier or a ton of money. You can bring higher stab bonuses and use a dds for specs. However, if you want a slash focused with the longsword, what are you gonna use? VLS protects under CLS when degraded (at least I think), GS protects over CLS, Dlong can hit but isn't very good of a KO weapon.. you'll probably be using DDS.

 

Also Rapier + Vesta Spear (corrupt probably) = epic win? They aren't THAT expensive (1m for spear) though still kinda expensive -- something you would use mainly for targets. I'm aware you could use that with the CLS but CLS has higher str with rune defender or an obby shield.

 

I know that most setups have higher stab def than slash def, but barely. But whenever I run into someone using a torso OR vesta, its over - torso has decent slash defense but TERRIBLE stab (like 30 less than slash) and vesta is primarily weak to stab (again about 30 less than slash). This isn't really uncommon to see. So anybody that loves their strength bonus in PvP will be an easy kill for me.

Basically what I mean by the above statement is that most setups will have maybe about 5-10 more stab defense over slash defense, and when I encounter something different, unless its statius, my stab based gear will have the advantage.

 

I just see the Rapier having so much potential basically towards stab based setups. ESPECIALLY that rapier + vesta spear combo in PvP.

 

I will say though that the longsword has a little bit of appeal to me because of the fact that I've used 21 Vesta Longswords and it has higher stats than VLS but no spec >.>

 

And Maul owns them both when PKing. When wearing rune (as the majority of PKers do), you just can't compete with the 180+ crush bonus it has... You'll eventually get comboed to death. But I don't PK.

[Mecakoto]

I'm going with what people say who have experience with using both weapons. From what I've beed told by these people... Rapier > Longsword, even in PvP. It's like how I can kill people using a gs when I'm using a sara sword - speed can make a huge difference. Also, as someone mentioned earlier, we already have major slash weapons.

 

The reason I want a rapier is because I can keep a stab-focused set-up in PvP without risking my rapier or a ton of money. You can bring higher stab bonuses and use a dds for specs. However, if you want a slash focused with the longsword, what are you gonna use? VLS protects under CLS when degraded (at least I think), GS protects over CLS, Dlong can hit but isn't very good of a KO weapon.. you'll probably be using DDS.

 

Also Rapier + Vesta Spear (corrupt probably) = epic win? They aren't THAT expensive (1m for spear) though still kinda expensive -- something you would use mainly for targets. I'm aware you could use that with the CLS but CLS has higher str with rune defender or an obby shield.

 

I know that most setups have higher stab def than slash def, but barely. But whenever I run into someone using a torso OR vesta, its over - torso has decent slash defense but TERRIBLE stab (like 30 less than slash) and vesta is primarily weak to stab (again about 30 less than slash). This isn't really uncommon to see. So anybody that loves their strength bonus in PvP will be an easy kill for me.

Basically what I mean by the above statement is that most setups will have maybe about 5-10 more stab defense over slash defense, and when I encounter something different, unless its statius, my stab based gear will have the advantage.

 

I just see the Rapier having so much potential basically towards stab based setups. ESPECIALLY that rapier + vesta spear combo in PvP.

 

I will say though that the longsword has a little bit of appeal to me because of the fact that I've used 21 Vesta Longswords and it has higher stats than VLS but no spec >.>

 

And Maul owns them both when PKing. When wearing rune (as the majority of PKers do), you just can't compete with the 180+ crush bonus it has... You'll eventually get comboed to death. But I don't PK.

 

I must also point out that this is only for Pvp situations. When it comes to monster hunting things will likely be different.

[bedman]

How would your stab focused set up be that much different than any other set up? Also, what do you mean by Rapier Vesta combo? Basically, you are saying rapier is nice because you can use a dds with it easier, because your whole outfit will be stab based, right?

[Mimic247]

The CLS has a higher stab bonus then the rapier so I don't see the point in the the stab vs slash argument

[bedman]

The CLS has a higher stab bonus then the rapier so I don't see the point in the the stab vs slash argument

You won't be using it's stab bonus, when you have a better slash bonus, will you. The difference between both stabs is much smaller than Rapier stab vs. CLS slash, which is the main reason why some people want CLS (increased accuracy, and str of course), however the speed difference stays the same.

[wioneo]

The CLS has a higher stab bonus then the rapier so I don't see the point in the the stab vs slash argument

You won't be using it's stab bonus, when you have a better slash bonus, will you. The difference between both stabs is much smaller than Rapier stab vs. CLS slash, which is the main reason why some people want CLS (increased accuracy, and str of course), however the speed difference stays the same.

 

Well if you were only getting one of the two, then the stabbing would be nice for dragons.

[bedman]

The CLS has a higher stab bonus then the rapier so I don't see the point in the the stab vs slash argument

You won't be using it's stab bonus, when you have a better slash bonus, will you. The difference between both stabs is much smaller than Rapier stab vs. CLS slash, which is the main reason why some people want CLS (increased accuracy, and str of course), however the speed difference stays the same.

 

Well if you were only getting one of the two, then the stabbing would be nice for dragons.

Stabbing of Rapier or CLS? Not sure if CLS will be that much better than zammy spear, seeing it's slower.

 

I'm actually not sure what I will get either. Rapier will probably be better in DPS for most things, even Bandos solo, I personally believe. However, I'm 138 combat now, and I think CLS will be much more fun to do slayer and pvp/minigame with, because of the high hits and higher accuracy.

[stonewall337]

I'm planning on getting the C Long. It will be faster then a whip for slayer, and I do quite a bit of PvP and Mhing anyways, so I see the longsword as more suited to my needs. C long+ely=ownage.

 

Is C long same speed as whip, or is it one slower?

[Mecakoto]

I'm planning on getting the C Long. It will be faster then a whip for slayer, and I do quite a bit of PvP and Mhing anyways, so I see the longsword as more suited to my needs. C long+ely=ownage.

 

Is C long same speed as whip, or is it one slower?

 

One slower.

[stonewall337]

Ok, but it would still be more DPS then whip, so it would be better for slayer.

[Grimy_Bunyip]

Ok, but it would still be more DPS then whip, so it would be better for slayer.

assuming overloads, turmoil, on a slayer task, and 99 strength

the whip is still 3% better than the CLS on a target with no defense.

[AlexRose]

Quick question; how many tokens does it take to recharge one of the weapons?

[Grimy_Bunyip]

Quick question; how many tokens does it take to recharge one of the weapons?

20k + 200k cash for 100% recharge

[AlexRose]

Quick question; how many tokens does it take to recharge one of the weapons?

20k + 200k cash for 100% recharge

 

And solely tokens?