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There is a choice if you want to go to Rants and complain, or whether you decide if it's not worth the time. If it's not worth the time, don't bother posting. I see too many people on these boards say they are 'sick' of 'said topic' yet they continue to post the same bullcrap when it all can be arranged. Just ignore it.

This issue has been going on for over a year. I tend to think that when the Grand Exchange was added and the trade limit was removed, this gave people a new opportunity to manipulate and exploit.

Mining Rune Essence is indeed outdated, and is no longer a popular method for any 'legitimate' player. Botters are taking advantage because it doesn't come with a price tag, and they don't have to spend several hours killing monsters that drop essence. There are a lot of monsters that drop mass quantities of essence, so mining essence isn't that good anymore.

I can never fully agree with most of you here, all that happens is you go to whine and complain. I've done it myself but I'm not trying to contradict myself either. I would hope that most people here agree that the botting problem needs to be taken into serious consideration.

The difference between years ago and now is that it seems that a lot of people actually think that this botting does a little good for the game as a whole. They like cheap resources so that they can get their next 99 and later merchant the resources off on the GE. There used to be a no tolerance policy on botting, if someone saw you do it or if Jagex found you were using a macro program, you will get banned. Now I see all these high levels and the like who don't seem to care, that it's okay to take that easy way out because you're not sitting in your chair at home doing all the clicking and pressing buttons. Times have changed and this newer breed of bots are harder to detect and report because we don't know if the person is using a program or has Public Chat off.

I'm certain however that when this entire problem passes through and becomes history, we will talk about it in a meaningful, descriptive manner, and by that time, there will be a whole new generation of players that weren't there to see it.

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My point, gathering has been dead since before most people have even been playing. While bots do hurt the situation, its a result of people failing to adapt to a changing game (because even without bots gathering isnt profitable as MH'ing or merchenting in the best of situations)


Thats an understatement.

People have adapted, myself included. But you SHOULDN'T have to adapt by abandoning a skill altoghethor, or worse case scenario. Abandoning skilling, period. Because its been taken over by bots.

And its not just things like woodcutting, fishing, and mining.


Things like runecrafting, formerly making around the 1 mill mark and used to be one of the best consistent money makers. Have you looked at nature rune prices recently? Its ridiculous. Its on the rebound but we all know its going to fall again.

Things like hunter. Red chins and puro puro have been crap full of bots for god knows how long, and even if the puro-puro people aren't bots, alot of them botted there stats to get to that level. Thus increasing competition.

Thieving. Just walk past draynor village and you see a literal mass of the things. And the prices of ranarr seeds and the like just keep falling.


These 3 skills are or were among the best skills in the game for making money (still crap compared to MH), and yet they are still being effected by bots.

A runescape where only monster hunting or merchanting is a legitimate profiting method is a bad runescape. We have 20+ skills for a reason, at least make half of them useful.

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* Off topic, but i would say about ~10 skills are pretty much completely useless from a single player - non skillcape, non quest requirement perspective. Outside a few niche areas like handcannon.

But I do agree bots certainly do hurt the problem, and are bad for the game.


And yet you keep arguing the opposite. :rolleyes:
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I read about 10 pages in before my eyes started to bleed. Seriously...if the bots are affecting your crappy training spot, then it obviously isn't a good spot. Runescape is loaded with spots to train at...botters can't ever code for all of them, so find where they aren't and skill away.

There are SOOO many spots that I never see ANYONE at, that I feel nothing for pity for those who whine on these threads.

ENOUGH with this waste of a space topic. The bots, unfortunately, are here to stay. Either adapt, or wallow in self pity...I prefer to adapt.

i disagree so much with this, bots aint gunna go for half-assed places, they are gunna go for the best until the half-assed places halve to be used, THEN we have to adapt to using half-assed places becuase bots are over running it,and it only takes one code for countless people to use that spot, when the places start getting used, they make more codes for other places,and yes skilling isnt the best money maker, but what boss does f2p have?

this is like a comunist thing, if one country falls to it then its guna be like dominoes, but with us the dominoes have already started to fall

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My point, gathering has been dead since before most people have even been playing. While bots do hurt the situation, its a result of people failing to adapt to a changing game (because even without bots gathering isnt profitable as MH'ing or merchenting in the best of situations)


Thats an understatement.

People have adapted, myself included. But you SHOULDN'T have to adapt by abandoning a skill altoghethor, or worse case scenario. Abandoning skilling, period. Because its been taken over by bots.

And its not just things like woodcutting, fishing, and mining.


Things like runecrafting, formerly making around the 1 mill mark and used to be one of the best consistent money makers. Have you looked at nature rune prices recently? Its ridiculous. Its on the rebound but we all know its going to fall again.

Things like hunter. Red chins and puro puro have been crap full of bots for god knows how long, and even if the puro-puro people aren't bots, alot of them botted there stats to get to that level. Thus increasing competition.

Thieving. Just walk past draynor village and you see a literal mass of the things. And the prices of ranarr seeds and the like just keep falling.


These 3 skills are or were among the best skills in the game for making money (still crap compared to MH), and yet they are still being effected by bots.

A runescape where only monster hunting or merchanting is a legitimate profiting method is a bad runescape. We have 20+ skills for a reason, at least make half of them useful.

http://services.rune...id=5295&scale=2

* Off topic, but i would say about ~10 skills are pretty much completely useless from a single player - non skillcape, non quest requirement perspective. Outside a few niche areas like handcannon.

But I do agree bots certainly do hurt the problem, and are bad for the game.


And yet you keep arguing the opposite. :rolleyes:


Also with nat prices, its because there isnt too many other options to train rc someone that wants rc levels doesnt have a million choices on how they will gain levels, they obviously will make runes and mostly nats. Its inelastic supply because people will keep making nats whether its a 1gp profit or a million. - that is the affect of time not bots (ess price is real issue with rc, and guess what caused that mess? anti bot updates!)

Hunter is also the same problem, if half of the people who train it decided to actually play instead of bot to 99 guess what every chin world would STILL be crowded - do not mistake my realism about the situation for supporting bots, im against them but the underlying problem is Jagex did a poor job of making hunter a group friendly skill (be it on purpose or an oversight)

And with ranarr seeds losing value you completely missed why. Its not due to an over supply or seeds its due to an over supply of herbs, again bots do exaggerate the problem however the reward dungeons alone caused this mess.


All these would still be issues with or without bots, its the result of a changing game


Now this would be the firs ttime i say bots are the bad for the game, this is my your right im wrong post haha

And even if bots werent in the picture runescape has changed, in ideal situations you will never get enough for say.... a party hat without MH'ing or merching that wasnt always the case, and bots alone arent to blame its the fact runescape itself changed, i can argue this point all day but the point of the thread is bots are bad and i relinquish that arguement, your right im wrong

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Also with nat prices, its because there isnt too many other options to train rc someone that wants rc levels doesnt have a million choices on how they will gain levels, they obviously will make runes and mostly nats. Its inelastic supply because people will keep making nats whether its a 1gp profit or a million. - that is the affect of time not bots (ess price is real issue with rc, and guess what caused that mess? anti bot updates!)


Youve obviously never heard of ZMI.

Hunter is also the same problem, if half of the people who train it decided to actually play instead of bot to 99 guess what every chin world would STILL be crowded -


That or many bots would go train a skill thats more click friendly or the like because they don't like trying. And either way, human competition is better than bot competition because it feels like your playing with humans, not robots. Also, humans actually take breaks.

Its like saying if ess bots couldnt bot they would just mine ess all day as legitimate players.

No, thats not true. They would go onto other methods, unless they were really, really stupid. P ess is just something thats easily bottable and thus pretty popular despite it being a pretty hilariously bad money maker.

do not mistake my realism about the situation for supporting bots, im against them but the underlying problem is Jagex did a poor job of making hunter a group friendly skill (be it on purpose or an oversight)


Friendly competition is never a problem. Friendly botting competition :S

And with ranarr seeds losing value you completely missed why. Its not due to an over supply or seeds its due to an over supply of herbs, again bots do exaggerate the problem however the reward dungeons alone caused this mess.


Theres a multitude of causes to a single problem.

Ranarr herbs only panic crashed because of resource dungeons as you mentioned, and after the bonus XP which ironically seems to have made prices fall.

Ranarr seeds on the other hand have been steadily falling for the past, god knows how long.

a party hat without MH'ing or merching that wasnt always the case, and bots alone arent to blame its the fact runescape itself changed, i can argue this point all day but the point of the thread is bots are bad and i relinquish that arguement,


Lets leave party hats out of this. There rarity and complete lack of actual supply means its out of reach of pretty much every legitimate player who say, started this year.

Personally i doubt even monster hunters can easily hunt there way up to a partyhat without a lucky divine drop or similar.

Most other high level items, say claws, bandos, godswords, etc, are quite in reach for most legitimate methods.

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very much off topic but

one year ago i had maybe 200m

today i have a green partyhat and a divine (bought)

so it is still possible to get one with effort

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very much off topic but

one year ago i had maybe 200m

today i have a green partyhat and a divine (bought)

so it is still possible to get one with effort


Yes, a year ago you had 200 mill, which to be honest, is alot of money, and chances are had awesome stats.

If for example, someone just started a year i don't see them getting a partyhat without extreme luck.
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i went from 40m to 200m on a side account playing it for 15 mins a day in two months. 200m is not a lot

yes my account was 99 attack strength and defence, but other than that i had no good levels. this was oct 13 2009:
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I didnt but thats prty epic.

I have 38 mill on my account now, i wonder if i can get 200 mill in 2 months :thumbsup:
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You claim that you decided to adapt, yet you are mining your own pure ess... I cannot take anything you say after that seriously.


I noticed too. Bots never take up the best spots, they take easy things with little risk and get a low yield.

Edit - Hmm, he seems to have his shift key stuck. Someone should tell him.

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I didnt but thats prty epic.

I have 38 mill on my account now, i wonder if i can get 200 mill in 2 months :thumbsup:


kill green dragons - rage at the quantity of bots there, lol

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I didnt but thats prty epic.

I have 38 mill on my account now, i wonder if i can get 200 mill in 2 months :thumbsup:


kill green dragons - rage at the quantity of bots there, lol


Bots very rarely exist in PvP. Pretty sure those can reach 3m/h if you're doing it right

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kill green dragons


Your reading skills need toning up on. Theres no way you can make even 100 mill doing greens for 15 minutes a day.

- rage at the quantity of bots there, lol


I don't rage at bots, i think they are a problem.

Is it suddenly wrong to actually not like bots? :unsure:, i assure you, though we both have similar points of view, i am in no way related to bot_slayer_hunter_sword. In the same way that your not a bot, just because you support bots.
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I didnt but thats prty epic.

I have 38 mill on my account now, i wonder if i can get 200 mill in 2 months :thumbsup:


kill green dragons - rage at the quantity of bots there, lol


Bots very rarely exist in PvP. Pretty sure those can reach 3m/h if you're doing it right


3mil an hour? :blink: :shock: :eek: Thats worth bringing a cannon, tort, super set, and a large supply of games necklaces for easy banking

Am i close on the method? bank at dung and teleport to clan wars and kill the drags east of it and put a cannon to lul at the competition?

Or is the 3mil an hour different because my curiosity has been peaked

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kill green dragons


Your reading skills need toning up on. Theres no way you can make even 100 mill doing greens for 15 minutes a day.

- rage at the quantity of bots there, lol


I don't rage at bots, i think they are a problem.

Is it suddenly wrong to actually not like bots? :unsure:, i assure you, though we both have similar points of view, i am in no way related to bot_slayer_hunter_sword. In the same way that your not a bot, just because you support bots.


I wasnt quoting you i was just listing methods in general, and i dont support bots just differ from you on how bad for the game i think they are and whether jagex is teh core of the problems and bots just exaggerate things that would still be issues.

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I wasnt quoting you i was just listing methods in general, and i dont support bots just differ from you on how bad for the game i think they are and whether jagex is teh core of the problems and bots just exaggerate things that would still be issues.


Jagex isnt the core of the problem but temp bans for botters (without any stat revert or similar) was definately a step backwards. This is along with already existing problems with the skill in general.

They may as well be encouraging bots.
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I didnt but thats prty epic.

I have 38 mill on my account now, i wonder if i can get 200 mill in 2 months :thumbsup:


kill green dragons - rage at the quantity of bots there, lol


Bots very rarely exist in PvP. Pretty sure those can reach 3m/h if you're doing it right


3mil an hour? :blink: :shock: :eek: Thats worth bringing a cannon, tort, super set, and a large supply of games necklaces for easy banking

Am i close on the method? bank at dung and teleport to clan wars and kill the drags east of it and put a cannon to lul at the competition?

Or is the 3mil an hour different because my curiosity has been peaked

To get that figure you have to be able to PvP effectively. Only works with Yak, and gotta be aware of the Dclawers/Mages that randomly attack people.




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