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Yes its against the rules, but in the sad irony we ARE better off with them.

 

And by we, you mean you.

no we mean anyone who is at all efficient

 

 

If skiling just happens to be one of your best money makers (I know GOP and Yews are mine, and they are most definately effected by bots), then it sure as hell harms you more than benifits.

l2moneymake. There is no reason for the activities listed to be your best money makers.

 

The only people who are benifited by bots are people who like training secondary skills. People who hunt for money, people who cut wood for money, people who play GOP for money, people who theive, etc. They are all negatively effected by bots.

hunting is very good money even with bots, nobody should wc for money, I was unaware bots could effectively play GOP, and theif is not a money maker in anyway. So no, none of thoughs activities are negatively effected by bots

 

For every smither who yells "woot" at low ore prices. There is a miner who is wondering why its even worth it when there are 5 other bots in the mining guild. For every fletcher there is a woodcutter, etc.

actualy the miners and woodcutters are either inefficient players or bots, so they shouldn't care

 

Personally, ive pretty much given up on skilling for making money. Its not even worth my time, it would be great if it was. But bots have devalued skilling to the point where i could merchant for all my money and be almost as well off.

better of merching? OF COURSE YOU'D BE BETTER OFF MERCHING! ITS THE BEST MONEY IN THE GAME

 

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This being said, there are combat bots as well. Even monster hunters get effected.

 

If lots of people bot to high combat and starts monsterhunting, then hes devaluing monster hunting, if someone bots green dragons, then people who hunt greens get there work devalued. Etc.

 

Its really not just the skillers who are effected by this.

so? I dont really care about the size of someone elses e-peen. If they botted for there stats they'll have less hand eye cordination and knowledge of the game and I'll be able to easily crash them.


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l2moneymake. There is no reason for the activities listed to be your best money makers.

 

Oh yea, cause there are so many ways to make money in F2p.

 

In terms of consistent money makers, its either that, or break my arm getting 85 mining.

 

hunting is very good money even with bots

 

Still devalues it.

 

Some people consider yews good money, even with bots. Thats not to say it doesnt devalue the skill.

 

nobody should wc for money

 

And yet people do

 

I was unaware bots could effectively play GOP

 

Its called ess bots driving essence prices down (the main source of income from GOP).

 

Also, there are GOP bots, they click on an orb and hold it for a whole game...

 

and theif is not a money maker in anyway.

 

Master farmers

 

So no, none of thoughs activities are negatively effected by bots

 

Oh yea they are

 

actualy the miners and woodcutters are either inefficient players or bots, so they shouldn't care

 

Inefficient or not, they still get there work devalued by bots o.O

 

better of merching? OF COURSE YOU'D BE BETTER OFF MERCHING! ITS THE BEST MONEY IN THE GAME

 

Let me clarify.

 

Old method. Woodcut + Merch

 

Now i really just powertrain another skill + Merch because i make pretty much the same money just merching.

 

so? I dont really care about the size of someone elses e-peen.

 

Did i say anything about E-peen?

 

If they botted for there stats they'll have less hand eye cordination and knowledge of the game and I'll be able to easily crash them.[/b]

 

Cause you totally have to grind to 99 attack/strength to have good hand eye coordination and knowledge of the game.


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l2moneymake. There is no reason for the activities listed to be your best money makers.

 

Oh yea, cause there are so many ways to make money in F2p.

 

In terms of consistent money makers, its either that, or break my arm getting 85 mining.

I was unaware you were f2p

 

hunting is very good money even with bots

 

Still devalues it.

bots can't effectively hunt imps

 

Some people consider yews good money, even with bots. Thats not to say it doesnt devalue the skill.

if you say yews are good money you're doing something terrible wrong

 

nobody should wc for money

 

And yet people do

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I was unaware bots could effectively play GOP

 

Its called ess bots driving essence prices down (the main source of income from GOP).

I'm fairly sure you should be spending your tokens on water talismens if you want money from GOP.

 

Also, there are GOP bots, they click on an orb and hold it for a whole game...

I said effectively

 

and theif is not a money maker in anyway.

 

Master farmers

thats what 200k an hour?

 

So no, none of thoughs activities are negatively effected by bots

 

Oh yea they are

oh no they aren't (CWUTIDIDTHAR?)

 

actualy the miners and woodcutters are either inefficient players or bots, so they shouldn't care

 

Inefficient or not, they still get there work devalued by bots o.O

they shouldn't care sense there already terribly inefficient

 

better of merching? OF COURSE YOU'D BE BETTER OFF MERCHING! ITS THE BEST MONEY IN THE GAME

 

Let me clarify.

 

Old method. Woodcut + Merch

 

Now i really just powertrain another skill + Merch because i make pretty much the same money just merching.

woodcutting is not a money maker. As I already stated.

 

so? I dont really care about the size of someone elses e-peen.

 

Did i say anything about E-peen?

 

you implied it when you talked about devaluing other peoples work.

If they botted for there stats they'll have less hand eye cordination and knowledge of the game and I'll be able to easily crash them.[/b]

 

Cause you totally have to grind to 99 attack/strength to have good hand eye coordination and knowledge of the game.

if you effectively train combat you develop hand-eye cordination, and you should be trying out different equipment and testing which is better, which improves your knowledge of the game


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CR vs. CLS threads always turn into discussions about penis size.
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bots can't effectively hunt imps

 

I'm pretty sure they can.

 

And even if they couldnt, they can easily bring up the hunter level so the botter can compete with you for imps.

 

if you say yews are good money you're doing something terrible wrong

 

As i said before, im f2p.

 

I'm fairly sure you should be spending your tokens on water talismens if you want money from GOP.

 

Your right, because bots have devalued essence.

 

P ess used to be best money from GOP.

 

I said effectively

 

They don't have to be effective, if your stuck on a team with them, well GG.

 

thats what 200k an hour?

 

A friend of mine makes around 500k+

 

oh no they aren't (CWUTIDIDTHAR?)

 

I did justify my point in previous quotes...

 

they shouldn't care sense there already terribly inefficient

 

It still harms them o.O

 

woodcutting is not a money maker. As I already stated.

 

Yea, it is.

 

Theres a reason yews are always crowded, its sure as hell not for the XP.

 

you implied it when you talked about devaluing other peoples work.

 

Devalue as in drive down the prices of raw materials so the skill, and doing the skill is barely worth it money-wise.

 

if you effectively train combat you develop hand-eye cordination, and you should be trying out different equipment and testing which is better, which improves your knowledge of the game

 

No matter how you spin it, afking bandits doesnt have you develop any more hand eye coordination..

 

As for knowledge of the game, its called a guide. Better yet, just ask someone...


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There's no point in argueing between you two. You guys play the game differently. Aeil is a maxed combat boss hunter, while Est0rrath is an f2p pure just looking for some casual money making to PK with.

One says the only real way to make money is combat, and the other says woodcutting is a way to make some extra dough. I don't think you'll ever come to an agreement, and both of you are right to an extent. It's just you're not thinking about the issue in the other's point of view.

 

Aeil, not everyone enjoys combat, or has the skills (in Est0rrath's case, defence level) to hunt monsters, so woodcutting just might be a good way to make cash while also gaining some exp. And obviously, a person with your stats is not going to cut yews for money, but you gotta understand not everyone is level 130+, or even enjoys monster hunting. Monster hunting is competitive, and sometimes there's gonna be jerks going around crashing everyone and flame wars will start. Woodcutting is relaxing and is a good way to have a little chat.

 

So both of you have good points, but really, it's like comparing apples and oranges, your not gonna get anywhere.


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There's no point in argueing between you two. You guys play the game differently. Aeil is a maxed combat boss hunter, while Est0rrath is an f2p pure just looking for some casual money making to PK with.

One says the only real way to make money is combat, and the other says woodcutting is a way to make some extra dough. I don't think you'll ever come to an agreement, and both of you are right to an extent. It's just you're not thinking about the issue in the other's point of view.

 

Aeil, not everyone enjoys combat, or has the skills (in Est0rrath's case, defence level) to hunt monsters, so woodcutting just might be a good way to make cash while also gaining some exp. And obviously, a person with your stats is not going to cut yews for money, but you gotta understand not everyone is level 130+, or even enjoys monster hunting. Monster hunting is competitive, and sometimes there's gonna be jerks going around crashing everyone and flame wars will start. Woodcutting is relaxing and is a good way to have a little chat.

 

So both of you have good points, but really, it's like comparing apples and oranges, your not gonna get anywhere.

that was the best worded paragraph that ive seen to calm an arguement


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There's no point in argueing between you two. You guys play the game differently. Aeil is a maxed combat boss hunter, while Est0rrath is an f2p pure just looking for some casual money making to PK with.

One says the only real way to make money is combat, and the other says woodcutting is a way to make some extra dough. I don't think you'll ever come to an agreement, and both of you are right to an extent. It's just you're not thinking about the issue in the other's point of view.

 

Aeil, not everyone enjoys combat, or has the skills (in Est0rrath's case, defence level) to hunt monsters, so woodcutting just might be a good way to make cash while also gaining some exp. And obviously, a person with your stats is not going to cut yews for money, but you gotta understand not everyone is level 130+, or even enjoys monster hunting. Monster hunting is competitive, and sometimes there's gonna be jerks going around crashing everyone and flame wars will start. Woodcutting is relaxing and is a good way to have a little chat.

 

So both of you have good points, but really, it's like comparing apples and oranges, your not gonna get anywhere.

the problem with attempting to justify woodcutting as a money maker is that you can make more money killing level 2 men. 100% proven fact. Woodcutting is not, and never has been an effective money maker for ANYONE. Monsterhunting is not the only effective money maker, many skilling methods make 1.5m+ per hour, and require little to no stats (cockatrice eggs, sinister keys, herb cleaning, making unf pots etc.) And yes I realize none of the options I listed are f2p. He's already stated that he merches, that should provide him with all the money he needs. Also, about GOP, as a f2per you receive rune ess, not pure ess. And in order to make more money from rune ess over water talismans, rune ess would need to be 160 each, which it never will be.


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CR vs. CLS threads always turn into discussions about penis size.
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with attempting to justify woodcutting as a money maker is that you can make more money killing level 2 men. 100% proven fact. Woodcutting is not, and never has been an effective money maker for ANYONE.

how can you make more money killing lvl 2 men then cutting yews?!


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He likes a girl named Lacey,

His thoughts about her are kind of racy,

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the problem with attempting to justify woodcutting as a money maker is that you can make more money killing level 2 men. 100% proven fact.

 

Maybe as a member, and even then, woodcutting requires less clicks.

 

Woodcutting has always been a solid f2p money maker, it also happens to be one of the skills that are most easily bottable.

 

And yes i do realize that part of the reason WC is such crap money is because its such a popular f2p skill.

 

And yes I realize none of the options I listed are f2p. He's already stated that he merches, that should provide him with all the money he needs.

 

It does to an extent, i rarely skill for money anymore because there are few effective F2p money makers.

 

Thats not to say i don't want skilling to be continually devalued by bots to the point where its barely even worth my time.

 

Also, about GOP, as a f2per you receive rune ess, not pure ess. And in order to make more money from rune ess over water talismans, rune ess would need to be 160 each, which it never will be.

 

Theres no reason i cant go member for P ess :thumbup:

 

I'm f2p at the moment, but i havent always been, i have 90k+ ess sitting in bank waiting for when i feel like going mem :shades:

 

Also as i said before, there are GOP bots, and they are a major pain in the ass (part of the reason i no longer GOP)

 

Look, im not trying to say skillings crap money. There are some very good ways to make money skilling. But nonetheless, bots DO harm skillers, and yes, skillers are legitimate players like everyone else.


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Also, about GOP, as a f2per you receive rune ess, not pure ess. And in order to make more money from rune ess over water talismans, rune ess would need to be 160 each, which it never will be.

 

Theres no reason i cant go member for P ess :thumbup:

 

I'm f2p at the moment, but i havent always been, i have 90k+ ess sitting in bank waiting for when i feel like going mem :shades:

 

Also as i said before, there are GOP bots, and they are a major pain in the ass (part of the reason i no longer GOP)

 

Look, im not trying to say skillings crap money. There are some very good ways to make money skilling. But nonetheless, bots DO harm skillers, and yes, skillers are legitimate players like everyone else.

 

If you can go membs at any time why are you complaining about f2p skilling being crappy income. Typically money making on trials is crap

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If you can go membs at any time why are you complaining about f2p skilling being crappy income.

 

Why not, i like skilling, skillings being devalued by bots, i complain about bots.


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If you can go membs at any time why are you complaining about f2p skilling being crappy income.

 

Why not, i like skilling, skillings being devalued by bots, i complain about bots.

 

me too skilling is a blast In fact i have dozens of times more xp in my skills then you do. However I dont expect to get a party hat off skilling alone (even if I was using Runecrafting as my method).

 

True it may be devalued but do bots make all the difference? This is a hypothetical situation, lets say Yew logs were 350 ea because they are heavily botted, and lets say bots leave and they rise to 650 each.

 

You make almost twice as much as before yet they are still crap income.

 

And the fletcher is the one who will end up suffering. The fletcher doesnt have too many affordable options to train his skill, however the woodcutter has plenty of better options for money and plenty of options for faster xp.

 

 

 

So if the woodcutter wants 99 fletching. Given that he doesnt save his logs to fletch himself, fletching will be less profitable or at a loss then if the price stayed low. The woodcutter made a modestly larger profit but at the same time spent substantially more on fletching. In the end he came out having less then before.

 

Thats why I say bots are good for most of us. Theres not too many ways to train production skills to break even or even profit but there are plenty of ways with gathering skills.

 

When the woodcutter is dont cutting wood (99 or some other new goal comes up) his profits will be void if the production skills are more expensive to train

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I'm fairly sure you should be spending your tokens on water talismens if you want money from GOP.

 

Your right, because bots have devalued essence.

 

P ess used to be best money from GOP.

 

It's not like bots only started mining essence since like half a year.

 

They have been botting pure essence since it was released and way before GoP was released.


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stop complaining about bots,theres no point,they are going to do what they will,they'll bot accounts to the max,sell the raw mats or wutever and u'll have to deal with it


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I'm fairly sure you should be spending your tokens on water talismens if you want money from GOP.

 

Your right, because bots have devalued essence.

 

P ess used to be best money from GOP.

 

It's not like bots only started mining essence since like half a year.

 

They have been botting pure essence since it was released and way before GoP was released.

 

Exactly.

 

But they are bigger and worse now, and even casual non RWT players bot because of the whole non permanent ban thing (I'm aware they reinstated permanent bans though, but apparently this is temporary).

 

True it may be devalued but do bots make all the difference? This is a hypothetical situation, lets say Yew logs were 350 ea because they are heavily botted, and lets say bots leave and they rise to 650 each.

 

You make almost twice as much as before yet they are still crap income.

 

But hey, anythings an improvement on before.

 

And remember, its not only the fact that yews would rise. Its also the fact that there would be far less competition from bots, and thus, more trees for the happy cutter.

 

And the fletcher is the one who will end up suffering. The fletcher doesnt have too many affordable options to train his skill, however the woodcutter has plenty of better options for money and plenty of options for faster xp.

 

This is due to XP being far too highly valued in runescape, and is really another problem all togethor.

 

I still don't know why fletching still breaks even to be honest. I would have thought it would go the road of smithing and become a skill that those rich people throw money at.

 

When the woodcutter is dont cutting wood (99 or some other new goal comes up) his profits will be void if the production skills are more expensive to train

 

In the case of production skills, the end product of the production skill would rise with the added cost of the gathering skill.

 

In other words it would probably equalize in most cases, especially with the items more in demand (Arrows, runes, etc).


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Im sure you know my opinion on bots already, but I dont see why Jagex thought it was a good idea to not permanently ban bots in the first place

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I'm fairly sure you should be spending your tokens on water talismens if you want money from GOP.

 

Your right, because bots have devalued essence.

 

P ess used to be best money from GOP.

 

It's not like bots only started mining essence since like half a year.

 

They have been botting pure essence since it was released and way before GoP was released.

 

Exactly.

 

But they are bigger and worse now, and even casual non RWT players bot because of the whole non permanent ban thing (I'm aware they reinstated permanent bans though, but apparently this is temporary).

 

True it may be devalued but do bots make all the difference? This is a hypothetical situation, lets say Yew logs were 350 ea because they are heavily botted, and lets say bots leave and they rise to 650 each.

 

You make almost twice as much as before yet they are still crap income.

 

But hey, anythings an improvement on before.

 

And remember, its not only the fact that yews would rise. Its also the fact that there would be far less competition from bots, and thus, more trees for the happy cutter.

 

And the fletcher is the one who will end up suffering. The fletcher doesnt have too many affordable options to train his skill, however the woodcutter has plenty of better options for money and plenty of options for faster xp.

 

This is due to XP being far too highly valued in runescape, and is really another problem all togethor.

 

I still don't know why fletching still breaks even to be honest. I would have thought it would go the road of smithing and become a skill that those rich people throw money at.

 

When the woodcutter is dont cutting wood (99 or some other new goal comes up) his profits will be void if the production skills are more expensive to train

 

In the case of production skills, the end product of the production skill would rise with the added cost of the gathering skill.

 

In other words it would probably equalize in most cases, especially with the items more in demand (Arrows, runes, etc).

 

In all cases I doubt it. The woodcutter makes more money WOO! GREAT! unless hes a pure or something that extra profit doesnt serve him it just makes his dreams of 99 fletching as hard as 99 smithing

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I'm fairly sure you should be spending your tokens on water talismens if you want money from GOP.

 

Your right, because bots have devalued essence.

 

P ess used to be best money from GOP.

 

It's not like bots only started mining essence since like half a year.

 

They have been botting pure essence since it was released and way before GoP was released.

 

Exactly.

 

But they are bigger and worse now, and even casual non RWT players bot because of the whole non permanent ban thing (I'm aware they reinstated permanent bans though, but apparently this is temporary).

 

I can't imagine it going like this which you imply:

 

Jagex: Temporary bans for botting now.

Thousands of players: Oh since it's temporary bans now I'm going to start botting!


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I can't imagine it going like this which you imply:

 

Jagex: Temporary bans for botting now.

Thousands of players: Oh since it's temporary bans now I'm going to start botting!

 

Its not like that.

 

Its more like, ive always thought botting was cool, but i don't want to get permabanned because my accounts already pretty good.

 

Jagex: "Temp bans, TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL"

 

Oh sweet! I'll just bot until i get a temp ban or 2 and stop.


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stop complaining about bots,theres no point,they are going to do what they will,they'll bot accounts to the max,sell the raw mats or wutever and u'll have to deal with it

ya just wait till theyre everywhere. sooner or later theyre gunna make better bots and jagex is just gunna sit there with there thumb up their ass


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When sooner or later do you mean like, two hours from now? Or...?

 

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When sooner or later do you mean like, two hours from now? Or...?

 

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sw0rd isnt here, do you know what this means?!?!?!?!?

 

jagex has already had their thumb up their asses on this 1, now theyll actually do something about them for once, but when they where only temp bans, the botters could expirament with how they can bot and such its freaking bolsheviks that jagex just sits there and wont give 2[cabbage] about anything else except things about the contest and crap like that


The once was a mexican called pepsi,

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He was a pretty cool bro,

Bros generally are you know,

He hailed from the land of 'taters,

He was known to hate many-a-hater,

He likes a girl named Lacey,

His thoughts about her are kind of racy,

And also his dad likes to [rooster].

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I'm at the choas druids in Edgevil wilderness dungeon and no crap, theres me there and about 6 botters, you can tell they are all botters too, they have similar names, all no iteming or three iteming, they all run around in the same pattern and have the same delayed reaction.

 

I stopped playing "260 days ago" from not playing for about 2 years before then and I've never seen it so rampant and bad?


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I am absolutely astonished about the amount of love botting gets here.

 

That means you guys support a form of cheating? Or using third-party software to hijack the system?

 

Oh and it doesn't make [cabbage] difference whether or not they are "beneficial" to the economy. They are against Runescape rules, that's that.

 

Then again, you can't stop all the baddies in the world... and apparently Tip.It rants is full of them.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1mEqPEd8Mg

 

Some light entertainment of the chaos druid botters, they had a much more distinctive pattern before I left the first time, but its pretty easy to guess who they are.

 

Just out of curiosity, can I lure that black demon out near the gate? I managed to get the bots trapped behind it if i lure out a chaos druid.


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