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idk....the tome of frost looks pretty nice too :unsure:

Where would you be using it? Sure things might look nice on the paper but unless you are going to burst/barrage rock lobsters, it's useless. Same thing with bonecrusher.

 

They're not useless. I have them both. Just say you don't find much use in them.

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Plus the fact that they are not sure if batch 2 will even be this year.

 

 

reading the bts...im pretty sure its going to be this month.

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They never said anything about more floors/rewards. So no


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Ok so everyone on runescape with a cls says its better than rapier at gwd/tds/ the whole deal.

 

I hear most people on tip.it say rapier always.

 

I know those on runescape like to bandwagon, need to know for sure if rapier is better at gwd/tds/other.

 

It honestly depends on the boss

 

For TDs, if you're 100% efficient and can weapon switch very well, Rapier is better. If you're not very good at switching, the Maul is probably better since it would almost always only take one hit to switch the Demon's prayer

For Bandos, since he actually has defence, but is weaker to slash, CLS is better there.

For Zammy, his defence is absolute [cabbage], rapier is best there

For Saradomin, you need all the accuracy you can get, so my 'guess' is on the maul for that one

For KBD and Mithril dragons (if you count them as bosses), rapier since he's weakest to stab anyways

For Slayer, no question, rapier is better.


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Plus the fact that they are not sure if batch 2 will even be this year.

 

 

reading the bts...im pretty sure its going to be this month.

 

was that sarcasm?


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Plus the fact that they are not sure if batch 2 will even be this year.

 

 

reading the bts...im pretty sure its going to be this month.

 

was that sarcasm?

yeah, a little

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At first I wanted the rapier, because it has better DPS for slaying, and generally anything that's not a boss, and because I fence, lol. Then I started to wonder...

Does any account ONLY slay or ONLY boss hunt? At some point, you're gonna be doing both. You're not going to "never slay again" or "never boss hunt again". So shouldn't you want the weapon that can perform both tasks?

The Rapier slays like a pro, a whip on steroids. The CLS cuts through bosses defense like nothing.

The Rapier can't hit bosses as often as the CLS can, it's just not accurate enough. The CLS can hit just as well on low level monsters as the Rapier, it's just slower.

 

The CLS is better dps on slayer monsters than a whip, yes?

 

I'd rather have the CLS that can slay better than the whip, which is fast enough as it is, AND take out bosses like there nothing. Whereas if I chose the Rapier, I could slay even faster than the CLS's already increased performance over the whip, but I couldn't boss hunt as well as I could if I were using a whip/CLS/GS.

 

 

 

Maybe I'm just speaking out of my ass, I don't have either, and wont for a while. But, that's my POV atm. I still don't really know for sure if the CLS is better, I just changed my POV, as I probably will a hundred times before I actually get either.


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Get both.

 

 

Problem solved.


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doesn't the whip have a higher DPS then CLS on low def monsters? :unsure:


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At first I wanted the rapier, because it has better DPS for slaying, and generally anything that's not a boss, and because I fence, lol. Then I started to wonder...

Does any account ONLY slay or ONLY boss hunt? At some point, you're gonna be doing both. You're not going to "never slay again" or "never boss hunt again". So shouldn't you want the weapon that can perform both tasks?

The Rapier slays like a pro, a whip on steroids. The CLS cuts through bosses defense like nothing.

The Rapier can't hit bosses as often as the CLS can, it's just not accurate enough. The CLS can hit just as well on low level monsters as the Rapier, it's just slower.

 

The CLS is better dps on slayer monsters than a whip, yes?

 

I'd rather have the CLS that can slay better than the whip, which is fast enough as it is, AND take out bosses like there nothing. Whereas if I chose the Rapier, I could slay even faster than the CLS's already increased performance over the whip, but I couldn't boss hunt as well as I could if I were using a whip/CLS/GS.

 

 

 

Maybe I'm just speaking out of my ass, I don't have either, and wont for a while. But, that's my POV atm. I still don't really know for sure if the CLS is better, I just changed my POV, as I probably will a hundred times before I actually get either.

 

 

Couldn't boss hunt as well as if you were using a whip? WHAT?!?!?! Chaotic Rapier clearly out performs whips at bosses. I've crashed lvl 138s with whips at bandos GWD using my rapier. I'm lvl 134 with maxed melees and I can crash KBD ls teams of 4-5 lvl 130s with whips/zammy spears. Rapier is much better than whip at bosses. As for Rapier vs. CLS at bosses, I wouldn't know, because everytime I log into a world where someone has a CLS at KBD, they hop.... :rolleyes:


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At first I wanted the rapier, because it has better DPS for slaying, and generally anything that's not a boss, and because I fence, lol. Then I started to wonder...

Does any account ONLY slay or ONLY boss hunt? At some point, you're gonna be doing both. You're not going to "never slay again" or "never boss hunt again". So shouldn't you want the weapon that can perform both tasks?

The Rapier slays like a pro, a whip on steroids. The CLS cuts through bosses defense like nothing.

The Rapier can't hit bosses as often as the CLS can, it's just not accurate enough. The CLS can hit just as well on low level monsters as the Rapier, it's just slower.

 

The CLS is better dps on slayer monsters than a whip, yes?

 

I'd rather have the CLS that can slay better than the whip, which is fast enough as it is, AND take out bosses like there nothing. Whereas if I chose the Rapier, I could slay even faster than the CLS's already increased performance over the whip, but I couldn't boss hunt as well as I could if I were using a whip/CLS/GS.

 

 

 

Maybe I'm just speaking out of my ass, I don't have either, and wont for a while. But, that's my POV atm. I still don't really know for sure if the CLS is better, I just changed my POV, as I probably will a hundred times before I actually get either.

 

 

Couldn't boss hunt as well as if you were using a whip? WHAT?!?!?! Chaotic Rapier clearly out performs whips at bosses. I've crashed lvl 138s with whips at bandos GWD using my rapier. I'm lvl 134 with maxed melees and I can crash KBD ls teams of 4-5 lvl 130s with whips/zammy spears. Rapier is much better than whip at bosses. As for Rapier vs. CLS at bosses, I wouldn't know, because everytime I log into a world where someone has a CLS at KBD, they hop.... :rolleyes:

 

Bandos is weak to slash, not stab, so I'm going to assume you either had a defender, and they didn't, or you didn't crash enough kills to get an accurate sample, that or you clawed half of his HP before switching to the Rapier. Also, the KBD is EXTREMELY weak to stab, it's a dragon, and the rapier itself is FAR better than a Zamorakian spear, add on a defender, and you'd easily be able to crash multiple people with a weapon that uses stab, on a weak-to-stab monster.

 

The people with CLS (I'll assume this has happened less than 2 times) hop because you're both going to hit nearly every single time, but the Rapier has a higher DPS due to hitting faster.

 

So unless I see some actual tests performed, no, the CR doesn't out perform the whip, considering most monsters have a weakness to slash, not stab.


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At first I wanted the rapier, because it has better DPS for slaying, and generally anything that's not a boss, and because I fence, lol. Then I started to wonder...

Does any account ONLY slay or ONLY boss hunt? At some point, you're gonna be doing both. You're not going to "never slay again" or "never boss hunt again". So shouldn't you want the weapon that can perform both tasks?

The Rapier slays like a pro, a whip on steroids. The CLS cuts through bosses defense like nothing.

The Rapier can't hit bosses as often as the CLS can, it's just not accurate enough. The CLS can hit just as well on low level monsters as the Rapier, it's just slower.

 

The CLS is better dps on slayer monsters than a whip, yes?

 

I'd rather have the CLS that can slay better than the whip, which is fast enough as it is, AND take out bosses like there nothing. Whereas if I chose the Rapier, I could slay even faster than the CLS's already increased performance over the whip, but I couldn't boss hunt as well as I could if I were using a whip/CLS/GS.

 

 

 

Maybe I'm just speaking out of my ass, I don't have either, and wont for a while. But, that's my POV atm. I still don't really know for sure if the CLS is better, I just changed my POV, as I probably will a hundred times before I actually get either.

 

Couldn't boss hunt as well as if you were using a whip? WHAT?!?!?! Chaotic Rapier clearly out performs whips at bosses. I've crashed lvl 138s with whips at bandos GWD using my rapier. I'm lvl 134 with maxed melees and I can crash KBD ls teams of 4-5 lvl 130s with whips/zammy spears. Rapier is much better than whip at bosses. As for Rapier vs. CLS at bosses, I wouldn't know, because everytime I log into a world where someone has a CLS at KBD, they hop.... :rolleyes:

 

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I'm still a little surprised this post is going on...

 

I'm not pulling these numbers out of nowhere. Check my other post on CLS/CR/Maul DPS.

 

0 Def: CR > CLS by 15%

PvM/PvP: CLS > CR by 2-3%


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At first I wanted the rapier, because it has better DPS for slaying, and generally anything that's not a boss, and because I fence, lol. Then I started to wonder...

Does any account ONLY slay or ONLY boss hunt? At some point, you're gonna be doing both. You're not going to "never slay again" or "never boss hunt again". So shouldn't you want the weapon that can perform both tasks?

The Rapier slays like a pro, a whip on steroids. The CLS cuts through bosses defense like nothing.

The Rapier can't hit bosses as often as the CLS can, it's just not accurate enough. The CLS can hit just as well on low level monsters as the Rapier, it's just slower.

 

The CLS is better dps on slayer monsters than a whip, yes?

 

I'd rather have the CLS that can slay better than the whip, which is fast enough as it is, AND take out bosses like there nothing. Whereas if I chose the Rapier, I could slay even faster than the CLS's already increased performance over the whip, but I couldn't boss hunt as well as I could if I were using a whip/CLS/GS.

 

 

 

Maybe I'm just speaking out of my ass, I don't have either, and wont for a while. But, that's my POV atm. I still don't really know for sure if the CLS is better, I just changed my POV, as I probably will a hundred times before I actually get either.

 

 

Couldn't boss hunt as well as if you were using a whip? WHAT?!?!?! Chaotic Rapier clearly out performs whips at bosses. I've crashed lvl 138s with whips at bandos GWD using my rapier. I'm lvl 134 with maxed melees and I can crash KBD ls teams of 4-5 lvl 130s with whips/zammy spears. Rapier is much better than whip at bosses. As for Rapier vs. CLS at bosses, I wouldn't know, because everytime I log into a world where someone has a CLS at KBD, they hop.... :rolleyes:

 

Bandos is weak to slash, not stab, so I'm going to assume you either had a defender, and they didn't, or you didn't crash enough kills to get an accurate sample, that or you clawed half of his HP before switching to the Rapier. Also, the KBD is EXTREMELY weak to stab, it's a dragon, and the rapier itself is FAR better than a Zamorakian spear, add on a defender, and you'd easily be able to crash multiple people with a weapon that uses stab, on a weak-to-stab monster.

 

The people with CLS (I'll assume this has happened less than 2 times) hop because you're both going to hit nearly every single time, but the Rapier has a higher DPS due to hitting faster.

 

So unless I see some actual tests performed, no, the CR doesn't out perform the whip, considering most monsters have a weakness to slash, not stab.

 

 

I don't own claws, so no, I didn't claw Bandos to half hp right away, and I was using obby shield while they were using either defenders or divines. As for KBD, why would you assume it happened less than 2 times? That seems kind of random, and it's happened 4 times btw.

 

@Jard: What are you talking about? How does you having 99 slayer in any way affect what I've done? :wall:


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At first I wanted the rapier, because it has better DPS for slaying, and generally anything that's not a boss, and because I fence, lol. Then I started to wonder...

Does any account ONLY slay or ONLY boss hunt? At some point, you're gonna be doing both. You're not going to "never slay again" or "never boss hunt again". So shouldn't you want the weapon that can perform both tasks?

The Rapier slays like a pro, a whip on steroids. The CLS cuts through bosses defense like nothing.

The Rapier can't hit bosses as often as the CLS can, it's just not accurate enough. The CLS can hit just as well on low level monsters as the Rapier, it's just slower.

 

The CLS is better dps on slayer monsters than a whip, yes?

 

I'd rather have the CLS that can slay better than the whip, which is fast enough as it is, AND take out bosses like there nothing. Whereas if I chose the Rapier, I could slay even faster than the CLS's already increased performance over the whip, but I couldn't boss hunt as well as I could if I were using a whip/CLS/GS.

 

 

 

Maybe I'm just speaking out of my ass, I don't have either, and wont for a while. But, that's my POV atm. I still don't really know for sure if the CLS is better, I just changed my POV, as I probably will a hundred times before I actually get either.

 

 

Couldn't boss hunt as well as if you were using a whip? WHAT?!?!?! Chaotic Rapier clearly out performs whips at bosses. I've crashed lvl 138s with whips at bandos GWD using my rapier. I'm lvl 134 with maxed melees and I can crash KBD ls teams of 4-5 lvl 130s with whips/zammy spears. Rapier is much better than whip at bosses. As for Rapier vs. CLS at bosses, I wouldn't know, because everytime I log into a world where someone has a CLS at KBD, they hop.... :rolleyes:

 

Bandos is weak to slash, not stab, so I'm going to assume you either had a defender, and they didn't, or you didn't crash enough kills to get an accurate sample, that or you clawed half of his HP before switching to the Rapier. Also, the KBD is EXTREMELY weak to stab, it's a dragon, and the rapier itself is FAR better than a Zamorakian spear, add on a defender, and you'd easily be able to crash multiple people with a weapon that uses stab, on a weak-to-stab monster.

 

The people with CLS (I'll assume this has happened less than 2 times) hop because you're both going to hit nearly every single time, but the Rapier has a higher DPS due to hitting faster.

 

So unless I see some actual tests performed, no, the CR doesn't out perform the whip, considering most monsters have a weakness to slash, not stab.

 

 

I don't own claws, so no, I didn't claw Bandos to half hp right away, and I was using obby shield while they were using either defenders or divines. As for KBD, why would you assume it happened less than 2 times? That seems kind of random, and it's happened 4 times btw.

 

@Jard: What are you talking about? How does you having 99 slayer in any way affect what I've done? :wall:

Becuase 99 slayer is epic.

 

I HIGHLY doubt that you, using a Rapier + obby shield could beat players with Whip + defender at bandos. It doesn't seem random, it's probably only happened to you once, so you assume it will happen every time. ;)

But my point still stand, YES the Rapier is going to scare people with CLS away at KBD because it's got a higher dps on "low defense monsters" and the KBD is a "low defense monster" since you're using stab.


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I love how no one does any research whatsoever and just go with CLS being better. Here's an example of mine the other day from when I got "crashed" at Bandos.

 

Me in chaotic rapier, soul wars cape, dhide top, glory, verac skirt, rune defender, extremes and turmoil and enhanced excalibur. A level 138 and 137 both come in (which aren't team either :unsure: ) and even though they are in chaotic longswords, bandos, firecape, dragonfireshield/divine shield, fury, turmoil and both using overloads and armadyl godsword/dragon claw specs, I was occasionally able to outkill them. Logically, I shouldn't outkill them AT ALL. If I was in the same gear as them... their CLS wouldn't stand a chance against rapier. At bandos anyway.

 

Here's a picture of it, I took it because I thought it was pretty funny I was outkilling sometimes. I'm bottom right.

 

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At first I wanted the rapier, because it has better DPS for slaying, and generally anything that's not a boss, and because I fence, lol. Then I started to wonder...

Does any account ONLY slay or ONLY boss hunt? At some point, you're gonna be doing both. You're not going to "never slay again" or "never boss hunt again". So shouldn't you want the weapon that can perform both tasks?

The Rapier slays like a pro, a whip on steroids. The CLS cuts through bosses defense like nothing.

The Rapier can't hit bosses as often as the CLS can, it's just not accurate enough. The CLS can hit just as well on low level monsters as the Rapier, it's just slower.

 

The CLS is better dps on slayer monsters than a whip, yes?

 

I'd rather have the CLS that can slay better than the whip, which is fast enough as it is, AND take out bosses like there nothing. Whereas if I chose the Rapier, I could slay even faster than the CLS's already increased performance over the whip, but I couldn't boss hunt as well as I could if I were using a whip/CLS/GS.

 

 

 

Maybe I'm just speaking out of my ass, I don't have either, and wont for a while. But, that's my POV atm. I still don't really know for sure if the CLS is better, I just changed my POV, as I probably will a hundred times before I actually get either.

 

 

Couldn't boss hunt as well as if you were using a whip? WHAT?!?!?! Chaotic Rapier clearly out performs whips at bosses. I've crashed lvl 138s with whips at bandos GWD using my rapier. I'm lvl 134 with maxed melees and I can crash KBD ls teams of 4-5 lvl 130s with whips/zammy spears. Rapier is much better than whip at bosses. As for Rapier vs. CLS at bosses, I wouldn't know, because everytime I log into a world where someone has a CLS at KBD, they hop.... :rolleyes:

 

Bandos is weak to slash, not stab, so I'm going to assume you either had a defender, and they didn't, or you didn't crash enough kills to get an accurate sample, that or you clawed half of his HP before switching to the Rapier. Also, the KBD is EXTREMELY weak to stab, it's a dragon, and the rapier itself is FAR better than a Zamorakian spear, add on a defender, and you'd easily be able to crash multiple people with a weapon that uses stab, on a weak-to-stab monster.

 

The people with CLS (I'll assume this has happened less than 2 times) hop because you're both going to hit nearly every single time, but the Rapier has a higher DPS due to hitting faster.

 

So unless I see some actual tests performed, no, the CR doesn't out perform the whip, considering most monsters have a weakness to slash, not stab.

 

 

I don't own claws, so no, I didn't claw Bandos to half hp right away, and I was using obby shield while they were using either defenders or divines. As for KBD, why would you assume it happened less than 2 times? That seems kind of random, and it's happened 4 times btw.

 

@Jard: What are you talking about? How does you having 99 slayer in any way affect what I've done? :wall:

Becuase 99 slayer is epic.

 

I HIGHLY doubt that you, using a Rapier + obby shield could beat players with Whip + defender at bandos. It doesn't seem random, it's probably only happened to you once, so you assume it will happen every time. ;)

But my point still stand, YES the Rapier is going to scare people with CLS away at KBD because it's got a higher dps on "low defense monsters" and the KBD is a "low defense monster" since you're using stab.

 

 

Oh yeah, you got me there, I'm just some idiot who got one kill and assumes it happens every time... <_< No, I've crashed atleast 5 lvl 138s that were using whips, got atleast 4/5ths the kills, and eventually they hopped. You need to stop assuming so much, it makes you look like an ass. :wink:


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I love how no one does any research whatsoever and just go with CLS being better. Here's an example of mine the other day from when I got "crashed" at Bandos.

 

Me in chaotic rapier, soul wars cape, dhide top, glory, verac skirt, rune defender, extremes and turmoil and enhanced excalibur. A level 138 and 137 both come in (which aren't team either :unsure: ) and even though they are in chaotic longswords, bandos, firecape, dragonfireshield/divine shield, fury, turmoil and both using overloads and armadyl godsword/dragon claw specs, I was occasionally able to outkill them. Logically, I shouldn't outkill them AT ALL. If I was in the same gear as them... their CLS wouldn't stand a chance against rapier. At bandos anyway.

 

Here's a picture of it, I took it because I thought it was pretty funny I was outkilling sometimes. I'm bottom right.

 

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I think it's kind of hard to say which Chaotic weapon is 'most worth buying', they are all good, save the crossbow. I'd still go for Rapier first, speed is everything non-boss, unless you plan on halfkilling your way to riches. Personally I got the maul, which is slow as hell but still effective (Hey, I PvP)

 

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Yeah, it's really no contest which is the best weapon to get if you do a variety of things.


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