Oh look! A player mod! He must be a jerk and reports people all the time!

[Alg]

So you go on about how Pass Scamming is more legitimate than Offensive Language and then suddenly I'm not reading what you are saying after proving while its not? I'm not saying reporting offensive language is yet another factor. I'm saying someone who reports for it isn't always just a wannabe mod.

And for that you're right. I've talking about actual wannabe-mods though, that go around reporting as frequently as they can for even the most minor infraction instead of playing the game. These are the people that are going to have the highest number of reports. And they're the people that are least likely to actually do the job once they actually get there. Funny thing about that, if you actually want to be a mod, chances are you're in it for the status or so you can mute people that bug you.

 

And after a few restatements of this you STILL do not understand what I am saying. Progress indeed.

At least we can agree that progress was made... :grin:

 

22-23 people total. Thats the total number which could be part of this. Do you think Jagex devoted ~5% of their employees to this 10 hours a day? No. They can't. While your method does cut a chunk out of the playerbase. You leave upwards of a million accounts. I would say picking out people from that is random.

Although it does not sound good, it is better to have people that actually do their job. Why Mod someone who would never use the report button or is too nice to mute people? Whats the point?

Of course they aren't going to devote that many people to this for that long. As I said earlier though, there's no rush in this. Names are not going to pile up and overwhelm them.

Again, the people who are least likely to do the job are the ones that actively seek modship. As clear as the knowledge base is, there are quite a few people who believe that we get paid and/or can be promoted to j-mods.

A reason to mod people who are "too nice to mute people" is that they are too nice to mute people nice. They're the ones that people end up going to if they have problems with something. Because they stand out more than normal players, they're easier for someone to find if they need to. They're the ones that are going to tell some accidental rulebreaker that he's breaking the rules instead of reporting him for it.

 

Clear to you I don't know how the system work. Don't give me this crap. Whats your argument? Are you just going to flat out deny everything I say? How the hell can you argue that someone does not need a significant amount of reports? Yes, you drone on and on about how it isn't the only factor. I GIVE YOU THAT YOU WIN GG GOOD DUEL YES OK YOU WIN. Then you misquote me twice. First you say I made up or know of a magic number. Now then you base your entire argument on how password scamming>offensive language reports. After that somehow I am the one now listening to you. For the middle paragraphs nothing came out of it because you were too stubborn picking out small details and debating that. LOOK at the progression. You never answered one tough question. Instead you picked apart a sentence and defined "more" as a number. EVERY singe question for me HAS been answered. If you do not feel I have answered ANYTHING at ALL quote it to me and I will do so immediately. The argument goes in circles because YOU IGNORE the BULK of my argument and pick apart tiny tiny details. Why do we even need this 22 people number? You manage to base this entire paragraph on the 1-2 number I gave as an example.

I'd think the same way that I'm expected to prove that reports are not a factor at all when the evidence suggests that they are. I expect people who claim that you need lots of reports to be a mod to actually prove it, because my own observations have said otherwise.

I based the paragraph on reports because you questioned it. If you've forgotten my original example was a player with 5 offensive language reports for the word "damn" vs. a player with one password scamming report. You made a statement, I attempted to explain my example, and it spiraled out of control from there.

The 22 people number was there because I felt like I had made up enough numbers. Perhaps if the focus wasn't shifted to how practical each example would be...

I made the statement about you ignoring my posts because that's what I had been noticing. You continually expected me to prove that reports were not a factor at all after I had said that I wasn't arguing about that.

 

All of the statement I make about the selection process are things I've pieced together myself. They have not come out and said "this is how we pick mods", if they did people would still say that they're lying to get people to be nicer. Which puts me in an interesting position, because I always end up having to defend a position that has just been made undefendable by people saying "no they really mean this", much like you did.

 

So sad. You are a prime example of the "Stereotypical" mod. Even you are not clear on your facts. Kindness and helpfulness? Flame an entire debate and then leave after you have nothing left to say.

I'm still here, actually. I don't leave things unfinished. At least not things like this :lol:

Not sure if you will be, though. Again, I act this way in debates because every other debate about this has had players who spout the same [cabbage] and acting offended when I call it that.

I guess this is partly my fault too. I should never had even started this crap. Every single Mod with a few exceptions I have met are like you. Waste of my time trying to change something like this.

Likewise, most players I've met in these debates have been like you. Nobody in these debates ever proves all of these stereotypes that they call fact.

I always take this side because in the almost five years I've been a mod I've never seen anything close to the stereotype. It's always people who outright don't know mods that end up making these statements, the last of which admitted that he hadn't so much as seen any in years. It's always "all mods are bad blahblahblah... Except the ones I know".

 

At least this time I didn't have to defend my personality and reputation as much. The posts are much shorter too, so progress was made :lol:

[IXxPURITYxXI]

Personally, even though I wasn't a Mod myself, it did annoy me as well. I had several good friends which were player Mods themselves, and I knew that they were really nice people!

[Owned_Nex]

So you go on about how Pass Scamming is more legitimate than Offensive Language and then suddenly I'm not reading what you are saying after proving while its not? I'm not saying reporting offensive language is yet another factor. I'm saying someone who reports for it isn't always just a wannabe mod.

And for that you're right. I've talking about actual wannabe-mods though, that go around reporting as frequently as they can for even the most minor infraction instead of playing the game. These are the people that are going to have the highest number of reports. And they're the people that are least likely to actually do the job once they actually get there. Funny thing about that, if you actually want to be a mod, chances are you're in it for the status or so you can mute people that bug you.

 

And thats the problem with the system. How can you tell if someone is a wannabe mod or someone that reports to better the community.

 

 

And after a few restatements of this you STILL do not understand what I am saying. Progress indeed.

At least we can agree that progress was made... :grin:

 

22-23 people total. Thats the total number which could be part of this. Do you think Jagex devoted ~5% of their employees to this 10 hours a day? No. They can't. While your method does cut a chunk out of the playerbase. You leave upwards of a million accounts. I would say picking out people from that is random.

Although it does not sound good, it is better to have people that actually do their job. Why Mod someone who would never use the report button or is too nice to mute people? Whats the point?

Of course they aren't going to devote that many people to this for that long. As I said earlier though, there's no rush in this. Names are not going to pile up and overwhelm them.

Again, the people who are least likely to do the job are the ones that actively seek modship. As clear as the knowledge base is, there are quite a few people who believe that we get paid and/or can be promoted to j-mods.

A reason to mod people who are "too nice to mute people" is that they are too nice to mute people nice. They're the ones that people end up going to if they have problems with something. Because they stand out more than normal players, they're easier for someone to find if they need to. They're the ones that are going to tell some accidental rulebreaker that he's breaking the rules instead of reporting him for it.

 

But how do you know who is less likely? How come I can't report people because I truly feel they are offensive? You might think its better to give everyone a warning, but that only works so well. If someone robs a bank you don't say "Ok, don't do it again." You put them in jail for a while so they WILL change. Sure, it starts off small, but this WILL prevent them from doing it again.

Clear to you I don't know how the system work. Don't give me this crap. Whats your argument? Are you just going to flat out deny everything I say? How the hell can you argue that someone does not need a significant amount of reports? Yes, you drone on and on about how it isn't the only factor. I GIVE YOU THAT YOU WIN GG GOOD DUEL YES OK YOU WIN. Then you misquote me twice. First you say I made up or know of a magic number. Now then you base your entire argument on how password scamming>offensive language reports. After that somehow I am the one now listening to you. For the middle paragraphs nothing came out of it because you were too stubborn picking out small details and debating that. LOOK at the progression. You never answered one tough question. Instead you picked apart a sentence and defined "more" as a number. EVERY singe question for me HAS been answered. If you do not feel I have answered ANYTHING at ALL quote it to me and I will do so immediately. The argument goes in circles because YOU IGNORE the BULK of my argument and pick apart tiny tiny details. Why do we even need this 22 people number? You manage to base this entire paragraph on the 1-2 number I gave as an example.

I'd think the same way that I'm expected to prove that reports are not a factor at all when the evidence suggests that they are. I expect people who claim that you need lots of reports to be a mod to actually prove it, because my own observations have said otherwise.

I based the paragraph on reports because you questioned it. If you've forgotten my original example was a player with 5 offensive language reports for the word "damn" vs. a player with one password scamming report. You made a statement, I attempted to explain my example, and it spiraled out of control from there.

The 22 people number was there because I felt like I had made up enough numbers. Perhaps if the focus wasn't shifted to how practical each example would be...

I made the statement about you ignoring my posts because that's what I had been noticing. You continually expected me to prove that reports were not a factor at all after I had said that I wasn't arguing about that.

 

All of the statement I make about the selection process are things I've pieced together myself. They have not come out and said "this is how we pick mods", if they did people would still say that they're lying to get people to be nicer. Which puts me in an interesting position, because I always end up having to defend a position that has just been made undefendable by people saying "no they really mean this", much like you did.

Can't we use our brains? No, Jagex never said "You need alot of reports to become a mod." But THINK about what I have said. How do Jagex find their player mods. There is no way you can look for nice people first. Sure, you can eliminate a few hundred thousand accounts who have been hacked or broke the rules. But that STILL leaves hundreds of thousands if not millions of accounts left. Where do we go from there? Is it not random after that? I'm not making this undefendable. It just isn't. I havn't changed what I've said from the beginning. You simply have ignored me.

 

So sad. You are a prime example of the "Stereotypical" mod. Even you are not clear on your facts. Kindness and helpfulness? Flame an entire debate and then leave after you have nothing left to say.

I'm still here, actually. I don't leave things unfinished. At least not things like this :lol:

Not sure if you will be, though. Again, I act this way in debates because every other debate about this has had players who spout the same [cabbage] and acting offended when I call it that.

I just put that there to provoke you. Sorry, but slayer gets boring.

 

I guess this is partly my fault too. I should never had even started this crap. Every single Mod with a few exceptions I have met are like you. Waste of my time trying to change something like this.

Likewise, most players I've met in these debates have been like you. Nobody in these debates ever proves all of these stereotypes that they call fact.

I always take this side because in the almost five years I've been a mod I've never seen anything close to the stereotype. It's always people who outright don't know mods that end up making these statements, the last of which admitted that he hadn't so much as seen any in years. It's always "all mods are bad blahblahblah... Except the ones I know".

 

At least this time I didn't have to defend my personality and reputation as much. The posts are much shorter too, so progress was made :lol:

True I can't prove these things. But maybe we can use our brains for a while.

 

[Alg]

And thats the problem with the system. How can you tell if someone is a wannabe mod or someone that reports to better the community.

This is where community activity could come in. Is the player generally a positive forum user/clan member/etc.?

A theme I've personally seen with WBMs is that a player who genuinely wants to help knows the rules. WBMs tend to get in as many reports as they can for anything.

The worst case is that they look at how the player behaves after they've modded him/her. It's possible to remove the player's modship but at that point it may be too late. I'm pretty sure that it happens from time to time...

 

But how do you know who is less likely? How come I can't report people because I truly feel they are offensive? You might think its better to give everyone a warning, but that only works so well. If someone robs a bank you don't say "Ok, don't do it again." You put them in jail for a while so they WILL change. Sure, it starts off small, but this WILL prevent them from doing it again.

And these pmods, being fairly intelligent people, know this :lol: They still report if it's necessary, they attempt to teach when it isn't. Sure it has its flaws, though at times it's better than other mod styles...

You can report people you feel are truly being offensive. If you go out looking for these people frequently, that may raise a few flags. In the end they really can't tell. What you're hearing is me saying what I think makes sense based on what I've seen. And they've been doing this longer than I have :lol:

 

Can't we use our brains? No, Jagex never said "You need alot of reports to become a mod." But THINK about what I have said. How do Jagex find their player mods. There is no way you can look for nice people first. Sure, you can eliminate a few hundred thousand accounts who have been hacked or broke the rules. But that STILL leaves hundreds of thousands if not millions of accounts left. Where do we go from there? Is it not random after that? I'm not making this undefendable. It just isn't. I havn't changed what I've said from the beginning. You simply have ignored me.

From there, I have no idea. No matter what system they use, it's bound to be at least somewhat random. There are just too many people to look at and not enough people looking. I'm saying that looking at reports is not that different. You've probably seen the reports that they deal with, it shows up as evidence when you make an appeal. There are bound to be players that have sent hundreds of those, which they'll probably read through to see that the guy wasn't just reporting every guy that ever PKed him. Then, as you said, where do we go from there?

 

The "undefendable" statement comes from interpretation of facts. In the past I've had to deal with a guy that superimposed his opinion on to his evidence, pretty much saying that if you read between the lines, you'll see that the evidence says the exact same thing as he is. So it wouldn't be arguing about facts, it would be arguing against opinion, which is impossible. Again, I'm still quite jaded from that thread :lol:

 

I just put that there to provoke you. Sorry, but slayer gets boring.

Very understandable :mrgreen:

 

True I can't prove these things. But maybe we can use our brains for a while.

True

[Nomrombom]

Stop giant-post-quote-ranting thanks

[wcingisbad]

Stop giant-post-quote-ranting thanks

 

Nty m8.

[quelmotz]

Stop giant-post-quote-ranting thanks

 

1. This is a public forum.

2. You aren't an administrator/moderator.

3. You aren't even the OP.

 

What makes you think you have the right to stop them from doing that?

[Alg]

Is there a better way? If there is I really want to know about it. They're annoying to read but even more to make.

[Articultural]

Stop giant-post-quote-ranting thanks

 

1. This is a public forum.

2. You aren't an administrator/moderator.

3. You aren't even the OP.

 

What makes you think you have the right to stop them from doing that?

 

As you said, this is a public forum. He has every right to ask people to stop posting "giant-post-quotes."

[wcingisbad]

Stop giant-post-quote-ranting thanks

 

1. This is a public forum.

2. You aren't an administrator/moderator.

3. You aren't even the OP.

 

What makes you think you have the right to stop them from doing that?

 

As you said, this is a public forum. He has every right to ask people to stop posting "giant-post-quotes."

 

People have every right to ignore him.

 

He has every right to use his mousewheel to scroll the page down a little bit further.

 

Nobody is even forcing ragrag to read those "giant-posting-quotes" anyway.

[Nomrombom]

Isn't it just a *little* bit annoying to have to scroll through pages and pages worth of quotes just to get to the bottom of the page?

[quelmotz]

Isn't it just a *little* bit annoying to have to scroll through pages and pages worth of quotes just to get to the bottom of the page?

 

Can't you just move the freaking scroll-bar thingy at the side of the browser?

 

Seriously, stop being a petty [wagon] - how long does it take to skip past those posts?

[pulli23]

from all playermods I met since the new update, about 60% are pretty much like: "hey I'm a player mod, you should some respect" - something I consider borderline power hungry!

[UnknownRemoval]

Can somebody tl;dr this thread.

[Nomrombom]

TL;DR - Evidence, evidence, and more evidence of corrupt players mods, also gigantic quote pyramids.

[wcingisbad]

Ah quit nagging.

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[Nomrombom]

Ah quit nagging.

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

 

:razz:

[Alg]

TL;DR - Evidence, evidence, and more evidence of corrupt players mods, also gigantic quote pyramids.

I must have missed the whole evidence part. Was it behind one of the quote pyramids, or are you mistaking accusations for proof?

[quelmotz]

Wow, have you gotten past primary school education (ok, that should be your lower grades or whatever)? Don't you even know the difference between claims and evidence?

[sharksman3]

lol please keep making giant pyramids of quotes and arguing :)

 

Gives me something to do while kill dumb steel dragons..

[Larinro]

Yea, i used to think of Pmods the same way as that guy. But then i joined the clan im in now and the owner and one of the other guys are both mods and there both realy cool and since then ive though of mods basicaly just like any other play. The only diference is that i just have to watch my mouth a little bit more :D.

[Merre]

Beuh, this is one lame topic imo.

You can't judge/point a finger at a whole group of people.

Pmods aren't different than most other players, except they get rewarded for their loyalty playing for a long time, behaving correctly, not botting & helping people in-game.

Afaik there are no known tricks to become a pmod so if you say you have to report a lot, that sounds like wild guessing & negative energy to me.

I happen to know some pmods from in 'Council of elders' and all the mods in there are awesome people. Not because they're awesome mods, not because they rock as a person.

Even if 99% of the pmods are numnuts who report everyone for the smallest thing (which is not the case ofc) one or good pmod would still make it rediculous to judge the pmod system.

 

The only thing that frustrates me alot, but that's JAGEX's fault, is you get reported for calling names or offensive language & not for autotypers & botters.

I quit members for some months now, because I'm playing WOW now. Yet when there are maintenances going on or I'm fed up with WOW for a day, I come mining in Al Kharid.

Just to talk to some friends in the meantime & to do something usefull. 10 minutes ago I got fed up with mining again because it was only me & three others.

2 iron ore miners who kept circling around the rocks and mining everything, except the ores I mine coz they can't take em that fast.

One of them just standing there, till mith/addy ores pop up.

When I talk nobody gives a reaction. When I keep beating the mith/addy miner everytime he doesn't start to complain/flame...

I thought Jagex did something about macroers? Total rubbish impo

[Nomrombom]

 

Even if 99% of the pmods are numnuts who report everyone for the smallest thing (which is not the case ofc) one or good pmod would still make it rediculous to judge the pmod system

 

 

 

No, if 99% of Pmods were jerks who over-reported, that would make them judged by every single person in Runescape.

 

And of course, everyone who doesn't respond to talking and isn't an [wagon] who flames people for everything (like me :twisted: ) is totally a bot. No doubt.

 

Checked the Yews south of Falador lately? See how there's rarely anyone there?

 

See how you can't RWT anymore due to trade limits?

 

How does Jagex determine that someone helps others in game? They can't. They'd have to monitor most of Runescape 24/7 (assuming people who have been temp muted/banned are excluded) to see it. No, Jagex hands out Pmodship to people who do a ton of technically correct reports. "Technically correct" meaning the person said balls and they were reported.

 

Also, could you move the cat off your keyboard? It seems to be hindering your typing.

[Alg]

How does Jagex determine that someone helps others in game? They can't. They'd have to monitor most of Runescape 24/7 (assuming people who have been temp muted/banned are excluded) to see it. No, Jagex hands out Pmodship to people who do a ton of technically correct reports. "Technically correct" meaning the person said balls and they were reported.

And yet there is absolutely no hard evidence that it works that way.

[Nomrombom]

How does Jagex determine that someone helps others in game? They can't. They'd have to monitor most of Runescape 24/7 (assuming people who have been temp muted/banned are excluded) to see it. No, Jagex hands out Pmodship to people who do a ton of technically correct reports. "Technically correct" meaning the person said balls and they were reported.

And yet there is absolutely no hard evidence that it works that way.

 

 

How else could they possibly do it?