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The main draw of climbing boots was their stats for the low price. Because they were easily obtainable and cheap, their loss meant nothing. By raising the price of boots, their loss becomes more significant. That is a minor problem. The major problem with the update is the alchemy value of the boots (45K). because this artificial value is so high, in some cases the boots protect on death over better equipment, and are consequently rendered useless.

The second problem is that of the cash injection. This problem is worse than the first, simply because it affects more areas of the economy. Essentially what JaGEx has done is artifically created billions of gp of wealth for a few individuals. Besides being inequitable, this causes some inflation, and could affect the rare market. We have seen huge cash injections before (PVP artefacts, etc), however most of these were somewhat evenly distributed, leading to an overall increase in gp/player (if not wealth).

Potentially more devastating than the cash injection is the inevitable knee-jerk reaction of the RS market. Since everyone knows about the increase in overall gp, what we have on our hands is panicked players who will raise prices even without the help of the injected cash (I've seen this happen many times).

So essentially, Jagex tried to make climbing boots more accessible to everyone, and not only rendered them unusable, but also unbalanced the economy and caused a market panic.

All in all a fairly average update. :)


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For example, membership is $6 USD for americans.

For me, i SHOULD pay $7 AUD (Which is equavalent to $6 USD)

Instead, i play $9.50 AUD, equavalent to $8.20 USD.

Its only a few dollars, but it adds up. And why it happens i have no idea to be honest.

What you do is you use paypal and convert your currency to american then pay. ends up being cheaper. And last time i checked completely legal

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Major pain in ass, but might try that.
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Forget about fairness, asking jagex for fairness is like asking them to drop new rares in next Chrismas.
(Speaking of rares, I play this game since 01 but didnt get a chance for a rare because I dont have a pc at home and I can only access runescape during computer lessons. When my neighbour finally got a pc, they start dropping bunny ears... unfair :( )

There is some a difference between pure essence and rock climbing boots. Pure essence didnt introduce more gp into the market. Boots however has the potential of adding 45k per boots into the market, if everyone decides to alchemise it.

This of cause didnt happen in reality. Alching the boot was ridiculously expensive except until now that the price has dropped near its alch price. Many chose to sell it to ge instead. Selling to GE and reused by someone else who doesnt want to pay for full itself doesnt generate gp.

However, there are someone who do foolishly alching the price despite a huge price difference, there are youtube videos and forum pictures about it (some are even our comrades in tipit...). This did generate more supply of gp into the market. It is unknown how many boots has been alched and how much gp has been generated... But as far as the GE goes, stuff did rise for a while. However this effect didnt last as long as the prenerf 26k or 76king. CTI is dropping back recently. This might be caused by more coin moving towards these boots, just like what someone has said before in this thread (think about prayer and herb update).

So whats the effect overall? Not much except for a quick rise and drop in price. No inflation or deflation, whatever you call it.

Edited by gspbeetle, 05 July 2010 - 02:20 PM.


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There is some a difference between pure essence and rock climbing boots. Pure essence didnt introduce more gp into the market. Boots however has the potential of adding 45k per boots into the market, if everyone decides to alchemise it


I made a few hundred k alching my boots, which I am now using to pay for planks to get my construction up to 68 to do the new quest.

The only lesson I learned was that I need to join this clan that was stockpiling them the day before. If they've got some inside scoop, I want in on that cash cow the next time something like this comes along.
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OMFG!!!!1 EVERYBODY PANIIIIIC!!!!111ONEONEONE

srsly. chill a bit. yes, the update was stupid, and they only woulda had to raise price to about 20k for them to be less used,(or just kill the str bonus, but then everyone would be panicking more) but everyone is overreacting. this wasn't an item that people hoarded, simply because they were easy to replace. its not gonna end the economy. it may cause a small bump in inflation short term, but we'll live.

(note, in no way am i for what they did in this update, its jsut that the sky is not falling.)


I agree with you. Really, the world is not ending. A lot of people around here seems to think that the economy will be seriously affected. It won't. Take it easy, it is just a couple of boots.

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the economy is already curupt by merchanters and its time jagex fixes its mistakes starting with the rock climbing boots then next will probably be the whip
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the economy is already curupt by merchanting cc's and its time jagex fixes its mistakes starting with the rock climbing boots then next will probably be the whip


Don't worry, I fixed it.
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the economy is already curupt by merchanters and its time jagex fixes its mistakes starting with the rock climbing boots then next will probably be the whip


Market only fails when nobody bother to trade, which isnt the case now.
It is the people who are corrupted. Merchant clan doesnt work without followers.
Btw, i dont think they need to do this to fix whip, all they need to do is increase/decrease the drop rate.

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A few Pmods have loose lips (Must take after the Jmods), and this was leaked from the Player Moderator forums. I just thought it was cute.

Climbing Boots Leak
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P Mod: There's been a ton of rumors circulating around the net about a possible leak regarding the climbing boots update. Players have been claiming people made hundreds of millions of GP off it. It's been a huge problem in Mod MMG's clan chat.

Mod Calm: There was one confirmed minor leak, unfortunately. A staff member from the community management team had, according to what I know so far, given certain players prior notice to the update, who in turn told some of their friends. This is currently under investigation.

P Mod 2: So what should we tell other players if they ask us about this?

Mod Calm: Try to ignore the subject.

P Mod 2: The persistent players?

Mod Calm: You can tell them there were no leaks.

P Mod 3: I've seen a couple videos where players showcase over 100k boots. Are they actually real?

Mod Calm: Most of them are not. The highest amount of boots we've seen on a single account is roughly 91k.

P Mod: Will the players who bought out climbing boots before the update be banned?


Mod Calm: Nope.



I have some friends who will screenie it shortly.

Just thought I would open up a whole new can of worms for you all to feast on. It's from their routine Pmod In-game meeting surgeries.

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This does not bode well for Jagex PR.

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Your naive if you didn't already know that all updates are leaked.
Even team LeBum leaked his departure before his 1 hr special "decision 10".
"its not about money, because you get more from shoes, its about stacking the deck so you look like a winner.", says LeBum.

Anyhow, I see addy boots are soaring to probably about 45k.
Nice update, really something to be proud of Jagex. :thumbdown:

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Your naive if you didn't already know that all updates are leaked.
Even team LeBum leaked his departure before his 1 hr special "decision 10".
"its not about money, because you get more from shoes, its about stacking the deck so you look like a winner.", says LeBum.

Anyhow, I see addy boots are soaring to probably about 45k.
Nice update, really something to be proud of Jagex. :thumbdown:

What exactly is so wrong with LeBrons desicion? Should he have stayed in Cleavland, a city often noted for it's tragic sports record and horrible economic climate with a team that would win 20 games without him, or play with his 2 best friends for a franchise of sunshine and no tax while destroying teams even without a supporting cast? He sacrificed his ego and a boatload of money, while knowing the fans would hate him to arrive at the only port that matters for him- an NBA championship. Having already given everything he could for 7 years without so much as a whiff of thanks, I think he made the right desicion.

OT: Oh... it's great to finnaly get conformation about the leak, although i've ben told about it all along by a bunch of PMods.

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Your naive if you didn't already know that all updates are leaked.
Even team LeBum leaked his departure before his 1 hr special "decision 10".
"its not about money, because you get more from shoes, its about stacking the deck so you look like a winner.", says LeBum.

Anyhow, I see addy boots are soaring to probably about 45k.
Nice update, really something to be proud of Jagex. :thumbdown:

What exactly is so wrong with LeBrons desicion? Should he have stayed in Cleavland, a city often noted for it's tragic sports record and horrible economic climate with a team that would win 20 games without him, or play with his 2 best friends for a franchise of sunshine and no tax while destroying teams even without a supporting cast? He sacrificed his ego and a boatload of money, while knowing the fans would hate him to arrive at the only port that matters for him- an NBA championship. Having already given everything he could for 7 years without so much as a whiff of thanks, I think he made the right desicion.

OT: Oh... it's great to finnaly get conformation about the leak, although i've ben told about it all along by a bunch of PMods.


How about the way he handled it? NBA version of the bachelor tv show with a 1 hr special ending that overshadows the whole league. :rolleyes:
It takes alot of hubris to do that.
That last statement of yours is just stupid.
Given everthing? Gee how about him quiting when ahead against the Celtics just 2 months ago.
7 years without thanks? Gee I don't know how being treated like "the King" for the last 7 years. So many fricken billboards that bear "witness" to LeClown.
LeClown is about to get disowned by his "beloved hometown" of Akron, so he better pack his bags REAL soon.

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Your naive if you didn't already know that all updates are leaked.
Even team LeBum leaked his departure before his 1 hr special "decision 10".
"its not about money, because you get more from shoes, its about stacking the deck so you look like a winner.", says LeBum.

Anyhow, I see addy boots are soaring to probably about 45k.
Nice update, really something to be proud of Jagex. :thumbdown:

What exactly is so wrong with LeBrons desicion? Should he have stayed in Cleavland, a city often noted for it's tragic sports record and horrible economic climate with a team that would win 20 games without him, or play with his 2 best friends for a franchise of sunshine and no tax while destroying teams even without a supporting cast? He sacrificed his ego and a boatload of money, while knowing the fans would hate him to arrive at the only port that matters for him- an NBA championship. Having already given everything he could for 7 years without so much as a whiff of thanks, I think he made the right desicion.

OT: Oh... it's great to finnaly get conformation about the leak, although i've ben told about it all along by a bunch of PMods.


How about the way he handled it? NBA version of the bachelor tv show with a 1 hr special ending that overshadows the whole league. :rolleyes:
It takes alot of hubris to do that.
That last statement of yours is just stupid.
Given everthing? Gee how about him quiting when ahead against the Celtics just 2 months ago.
7 years without thanks? Gee I don't know how being treated like "the King" for the last 7 years. So many fricken billboards that bear "witness" to LeClown.
LeClown is about to get disowned by his "beloved hometown" of Akron, so he better pack his bags REAL soon.


Because it is unheard of for any professional athlete to move out of their home state right? Oh wait...it's not.

The "[wagon]" chant that they sent him off to is what I would call thanklessness, and the only reason that such a big deal was made was because fans(and othe rpeople like me who legitimately don't care at all about basketball) had nothing better to do. Lebron barely did anything personally, all the hype was from the media/fans, and then the media/fans blame him for the hype.

Also, placing a champinchip over profits is more respectable than the actions of a lot of athletes' actions in my opinion.

Before anyone says this is all off topic...
Who caes? This was a [I'll let you insert an adjective to suit your personal expectation of my degree of distate] topic to begin with, the effect from the boots was/is negligible as expected.

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I've read it as well, a very long forum post. Enjoyable read though. Also, whats very interesting to see is this:

Mod Calm:

The highest amount of boots we've seen on a single account is roughly 91k.


Oh? I thought Mod Mark said the max was something around 3k?

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I've read it as well, a very long forum post. Enjoyable read though. Also, whats very interesting to see is this:

Mod Calm:

The highest amount of boots we've seen on a single account is roughly 91k.


Oh? I thought Mod Mark said the max was something around 3k?


I'm pretty sure that he said that's the most he has seen himself, not including all the staff
Nevermind, looks like he said that to make players feel better about it.

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Mod Calm:

The highest amount of boots we've seen on a single account is roughly 91k.


Oh? I thought Mod Mark said the max was something around 3k?


91....k....

4'095'000'000 coins....

*kills self*

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A few Pmods have loose lips (Must take after the Jmods), and this was leaked from the Player Moderator forums. I just thought it was cute.

Climbing Boots Leak
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P Mod: There's been a ton of rumors circulating around the net about a possible leak regarding the climbing boots update. Players have been claiming people made hundreds of millions of GP off it. It's been a huge problem in Mod MMG's clan chat.

Mod Calm: There was one confirmed minor leak, unfortunately. A staff member from the community management team had, according to what I know so far, given certain players prior notice to the update, who in turn told some of their friends. This is currently under investigation.

P Mod 2: So what should we tell other players if they ask us about this?

Mod Calm: Try to ignore the subject.

P Mod 2: The persistent players?

Mod Calm: You can tell them there were no leaks.

P Mod 3: I've seen a couple videos where players showcase over 100k boots. Are they actually real?

Mod Calm: Most of them are not. The highest amount of boots we've seen on a single account is roughly 91k.

P Mod: Will the players who bought out climbing boots before the update be banned?


Mod Calm: Nope.



I have some friends who will screenie it shortly.

Just thought I would open up a whole new can of worms for you all to feast on. It's from their routine Pmod In-game meeting surgeries.

Great.

If they knew these figures beforehand, why did they let the update slip through. Talk about incompetence...

And the whole coverup afterwards, good job lieing and deceiving.

EDIT: where are the screenshots?

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This probably doesn't matter the slightest to most of you, but if the person who leaked this was in the community management team, then his/her name is most certainly James C, since he/she is the only one not in that team anymore. Having a name on the sinner will make some of you able to sleep I hope. See, me being really offended by this un-needed update from Jagex, and even ragequitting due to it, used my superior stalkish skills to find out who worked for Jagex at the night of the update (it's on their website, wasn't too hard to find). I then saved that list in Word and compared it to the current staff of today, July 12th. There have been several persons quitting/getting sacked in this short time, so it seems this update did effect Jagex after all. :)




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