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Another boring first article. Really, why do these articles keep on stating the obvious, and not even doing it particularly well? Oh ye, thats right... Requiem is a friend of Racheya's.

If you think these are so obvious, you are more than welcome to write an article and send it in as a guest article. Writing is not as easy as some of you make it out to be, let alone choosing a topic to write on.

Maybe the fact that there aren't any topics that are instantly apparent to be interesting and salient to the writers should be an indication that they should not write an article? Just sayin'.


That's how the tip.it times works. They have release dates, and they make sure they have something written. If you don't find it interesting, don't read it and don't complain. It's as simple as that.

No. That isn't how it works. If a newspaper article is poorly written or boring, because the author had a deadline to meet, then he should expect complaints. The Times is no different.

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Change the deadlines from weekly editions to biweekly or monthly editions? :thumbup:

Will give the writers more time to make higher quality articles and not feel pushed to lower their standards because of a deadline.

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Another boring first article. Really, why do these articles keep on stating the obvious, and not even doing it particularly well? Oh ye, thats right... Requiem is a friend of Racheya's.

If you think these are so obvious, you are more than welcome to write an article and send it in as a guest article. Writing is not as easy as some of you make it out to be, let alone choosing a topic to write on.

Maybe the fact that there aren't any topics that are instantly apparent to be interesting and salient to the writers should be an indication that they should not write an article? Just sayin'.


That's how the tip.it times works. They have release dates, and they make sure they have something written. If you don't find it interesting, don't read it and don't complain. It's as simple as that.

No. That isn't how it works. If a newspaper article is poorly written or boring, because the author had a deadline to meet, then he should expect complaints. The Times is no different.


At first yes, but he hasn't found anything interesting in two years, as he states. Logic dictates, you'd stop reading. Why is it that everyone insists on complaining about everything? If you don't like it, stay away! A person cannot make everyone happy, and he happens to be one of those people. If he doesn't like it, he should write something. Complaining accomplishes nothing. Taking initiative to change, that accomplishes things.

Change the deadlines from weekly editions to biweekly or monthly editions? :thumbup:

Will give the writers more time to make higher quality articles and not feel pushed to lower their standards because of a deadline.


That's more effective than complaining. Give suggestions on how to make it better. "I don't like it" does absolutely nothing. "How about you do this instead?" That'll have a better chance of doing something.

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Another boring first article. Really, why do these articles keep on stating the obvious, and not even doing it particularly well? Oh ye, thats right... Requiem is a friend of Racheya's.

If you think these are so obvious, you are more than welcome to write an article and send it in as a guest article. Writing is not as easy as some of you make it out to be, let alone choosing a topic to write on.

Maybe the fact that there aren't any topics that are instantly apparent to be interesting and salient to the writers should be an indication that they should not write an article? Just sayin'.


That's how the tip.it times works. They have release dates, and they make sure they have something written. If you don't find it interesting, don't read it and don't complain. It's as simple as that.

No. That isn't how it works. If a newspaper article is poorly written or boring, because the author had a deadline to meet, then he should expect complaints. The Times is no different.


At first yes, but he hasn't found anything interesting in two years, as he states. Logic dictates, you'd stop reading. Why is it that everyone insists on complaining about everything? If you don't like it, stay away! A person cannot make everyone happy, and he happens to be one of those people. If he doesn't like it, he should write something. Complaining accomplishes nothing. Taking initiative to change, that accomplishes things.

Change the deadlines from weekly editions to biweekly or monthly editions? :thumbup:

Will give the writers more time to make higher quality articles and not feel pushed to lower their standards because of a deadline.


That's more effective than complaining. Give suggestions on how to make it better. "I don't like it" does absolutely nothing. "How about you do this instead?" That'll have a better chance of doing something.


*coughs* We've been saying change the deadline or release fewer articles for MONTHS now.

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At first yes, but he hasn't found anything interesting in two years, as he states.

Although I didn't say that, I can see how you would conclude that from what I did say. What I meant is something more like this:

There's a band I like. The first three albums were all excellent, not a bad song in the lot. But as of the last three albums, I've been really disappointed. There are one or two songs that I like and enjoy, but the rest of the album is really boring and formulaic. I like the band, but I wish they could be as good as they used to!

I like the tip.it times. There have been some articles I enjoyed in the last two years, but unfortunately the majority have let me down. I don't hate the tip.it times, I want it to be as good as it once was. I'm just trying to give feedback because I know that when you're running something it's hard to see places to improve.

The "if you don't like it, leave!" attitude is not helping, since you're refusing to consider criticism.

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I do hope that you guys realise that after hundreds of articles, you're BOUND to run out of new and exciting things to discuss?

Also have you now? I certainly don't remember it. I look forward to seeing your article and what topic you've managed to come up with. The writing aspect of an article pales in comparison to the difficulty of getting a topic. That's the only reason that I actually WANT new updates, because it gives opportunities for articles about it, because other than that what else new is there to be said?


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*coughs* We've been saying change the deadline or release fewer articles for MONTHS now.


That I did not know, I just happened to view this thread and saw complaints.

Although I didn't say that, I can see how you would conclude that from what I did say.


I could have very easily misunderstood the post.

What I meant is something more like this:

There's a band I like. The first three albums were all excellent, not a bad song in the lot. But as of the last three albums, I've been really disappointed. There are one or two songs that I like and enjoy, but the rest of the album is really boring and formulaic. I like the band, but I wish they could be as good as they used to!

I like the tip.it times. There have been some articles I enjoyed in the last two years, but unfortunately the majority have let me down. I don't hate the tip.it times, I want it to be as good as it once was. I'm just trying to give feedback because I know that when you're running something it's hard to see places to improve.

The "if you don't like it, leave!" attitude is not helping, since you're refusing to consider criticism.


I saw no constructive criticism at first. All I saw was "The articles are boring and I don't enjoy reading them" That's not really constructive at all. Now the deadlines thing, that was constructive. This is just my two cents (or maybe a dollar by now).

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Oh there are many possible topics still to chose from: Heck, a historical article, covering topics or even a series as vast as the Mahjarat to as small as the impact of humidfy being made to moisten clay, and how similar slight adjustments to the game can drastically change how people train and play are just 2 ideas I though of within 5 minutes. Granted, different authors will find different topics interesting. Maybe its time to push for more guest articles, or bring new blood into the Times. Hey, we could even work with another fan site to publish a special feature article on the multi-forum user, or something similar.

BTW: Its not anything personal against the authors. However, one shouldn't exist all criticism to be constructive. There is always room for some complaining when expectations aren't meet.

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What if the president of the United States refused to listen to criticism based on that criteria: "If you're not leading a country of at least 300 million people and has a GDP of at least $10 trillion, then you don't deserve to criticize and I refuse to read it?"

Think about it.

I could be wrong but this is how I see it. The Tip.It times is about writing articles for Tip.It users. The Tip.It times is NOT about writing articles for other Tip.It times contributors to read. My criticism is just as valid, if not more valid, than if I were a regularly contributing writer.

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What if the president of the United States refused to listen to criticism based on that criteria: "If you're not leading a country of at least 300 million people and has a GDP of at least $10 trillion, then you don't deserve to criticize and I refuse to read it?"

Think about it.


In my eyes, there's a huge difference between criticism and constructive criticism. If you don't have anything to help him out with, what's your criticism doing? It's much better to accompany complaints and criticism with ways to improve. How can they change to make you happy if they don't know how exactly?

Other than extending the due dates, what else could they do to make you happy? Is that your only issue? They aren't as interesting?

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Other than extending the due dates, what else could they do to make you happy? Is that your only issue? They aren't as interesting?


If multiple users are saying that the articles aren't as interesting as they once were, there's a hint to be taken. I, too, agree with cutting down on the frequency of articles. Personally, the only articles I enjoy reading these days are the ones by Ts_Stormrage and Stormveritas. I either want articles written by "experts" in the field they're writing about, or opinion articles written from intelligent and informed viewpoints. I don't want easy-to-catch mistakes like the effigy thing, for example.

Granted, Racheya's article about quest phobia was a big improvement over her previous articles.

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My biggest complaint with regard to the actual content of the articles is the low level of cognition it requires. The articles that are essentially a restatement of what a recent Jagex update was.

This is the update. This is what it does. This was overall an okay update. <- Just knowledge and comprehension.

Maybe try something like this.

This is the update. This is how it changes the game. This is what the update replaces. This is a way in which the update may affect various parts of the market. This update makes "X" obsolete. This update shows a new trend in Jagex's approach to new content. This is an abstract principle which this update is a manifestation of. This update is good/bad based on the content itself. This update is good/bad based on externalities. <- analysis, synthesis, evaluation

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Other than extending the due dates, what else could they do to make you happy? Is that your only issue? They aren't as interesting?


If multiple users are saying that the articles aren't as interesting as they once were, there's a hint to be taken. I, too, agree with cutting down on the frequency of articles. Personally, the only articles I enjoy reading these days are the ones by Ts_Stormrage and Stormveritas. I either want articles written by "experts" in the field they're writing about, or opinion articles written from intelligent and informed viewpoints. I don't want easy-to-catch mistakes like the effigy thing, for example.

Granted, Racheya's article about quest phobia was a big improvement over her previous articles.


Yes, but most of the complaints aren't accompanied with ways to improve. No matter what you do, there'll be people who don't agree, or don't like, or aren't fans of it. That's life right there, and sometimes, people will just do that to do it. However, if they accompany it with reasons, they're more likely the ones you want to please, and will have more chance of changing something. I'm not trying to belittle anyone, or get on people's bad sides, I'm just saying that if you don't like something, give reasons why so then you won't be complaining about the same thing over and over.

My biggest complaint with regard to the actual content of the articles is the low level of cognition it requires. The articles that are essentially a restatement of what a recent Jagex update was.

This is the update. This is what it does. This was overall an okay update. <- Just knowledge and comprehension.

Maybe try something like this.

This is the update. This is how it changes the game. This is what the update replaces. This is a way in which the update may affect various parts of the market. This update makes "X" obsolete. This update shows a new trend in Jagex's approach to new content. This is an abstract principle which this update is a manifestation of. This update is good/bad based on the content itself. This update is good/bad based on externalities. <- analysis, synthesis, evaluation


I like that idea right there.

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Historical articles.

Opinion articles.

Debate articles. (Defending or opposing an update/etc)

Those are what I'd like to see. No more trite articles about recent updates.

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Tip.It Times needs a humor column. :-)

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Historical articles.

Opinion articles.

Debate articles. (Defending or opposing an update/etc)

Those are what I'd like to see. No more trite articles about recent updates.


You have any articles of those you could write? I'd like to read those, too.

Tip.It Times needs a humor column. :-)


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Tip.It Times needs a humor column. :-)


Knock knock... :cool:

There's no need to conk me on the head like that, it was only a suggestion. :wink:

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My biggest complaint with regard to the actual content of the articles is the low level of cognition it requires. The articles that are essentially a restatement of what a recent Jagex update was.

This is the update. This is what it does. This was overall an okay update. <- Just knowledge and comprehension.

Maybe try something like this.

This is the update. This is how it changes the game. This is what the update replaces. This is a way in which the update may affect various parts of the market. This update makes "X" obsolete. This update shows a new trend in Jagex's approach to new content. This is an abstract principle which this update is a manifestation of. This update is good/bad based on the content itself. This update is good/bad based on externalities. <- analysis, synthesis, evaluation


I think we see quite a few articles attempting to do just what your final paragraph suggests. Unfortunately, even these types of articles are not guaranteed to be interesting. Sometimes there is not enough information to satisfactorily analyze an update, and sometimes it is so obvious what will happen as a result of an update that an article with a successful analysis still seems like a rehashing.

I generally enjoy reading the Times, although I will say that some articles are certainly better than others, and some are not exactly thought-provoking or original. Overall, I look forward to each new Times release and even when the articles are not enthralling, controversial, or profound, I rarely end up so bored that I would say I had to force myself to finish the article.

As far as expanding the time between articles is concerned, even this may not provide the result desired by those asking for it. If you consistently do not even find the topic interesting, expanding the writing period is likely to have little to no effect on your opinion. While sometimes that extra time may spawn an interesting idea, it is very possible that idea would have been used in an article with the old time frames anyway, just with a less interesting article released the week prior, instead of no article.

As I stated before, I usually like the articles, so I would be kind of disappointed if I had to wait two weeks or a month between articles :|

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Historical articles.

Opinion articles.

Debate articles. (Defending or opposing an update/etc)

Those are what I'd like to see. No more trite articles about recent updates.


You have any articles of those you could write? I'd like to read those, too.

Tip.It Times needs a humor column. :-)


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