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I can understand why it is annoying to hear childish whining when it comes to the BTS, but the thing is a lot of what has been said on this forum is coming from a mature viewpoint. A particular part caught my eye, "And, if you think that you ‘deserve’ this update NOW because you’re a paying member, then the solution is to stop paying. It’s rather simple.", and I have to say this is quite a childish outlook in itself. As paying customers people have a right to complain if they feel they are not being given the service they are paying for.

As for Slayer, it's a dog eat dog skill. If you can't keep up with the level 138 with chaotic and turmoil then it's your problem not his. Hell, I get forced out of spots sometimes but that's part of the game. If someone wants to set up a cannon at Dagannoths then fair play to them, they are doing the best they can to get Slayer xp and I wouldn't frown upon that.


SirHartlar pretty much summed up my thoughts on these articles. The first article is another "state the obvious" deal and the second article is a guide to politeness that uses slayer as an example for some reason.

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To the first article, what happend to the days when experienced scapers such as RSw44 or TS Stormage actually written something interesting with good insight? >.> The main article on the tip it time nowadays is nothing more than a rant section. I understand if you as a writer is frustrated at players complaining at Jagex for delaying an update. I mean god forbid you never heard it before. But is it really that worthwhile to put it on the main article? Tip It Times used to be an enjoyment for me and now after today's last straw following a string of bad articles I think I'll end my tradition of reading the times which began 2 years ago just because the editors no longer care who writes them. I remember when RSw44 was still writing, every week he'd post something interesting about the RS economy and gave me new insights into the workings of the GE. Or when Necro wrote his on the history of major RS bugs, that was always a fun walk down memory lane. But nowadays for nearly 2 months the articles seems to be just about people rambling on about their boring lives and the same old cliches (with a few diamonds in the roughs thanks to TS on the decline of the times, Forsakenmage on her fictional, and RSw44's return about Jagex cover ups).

Rants like this don't deserve to be on the times, if it does then I'd go spend 15 minute writing about everything in RS that's ever irritated me and I'll be able to provide tip it with a year's worth of writing. Leave these rants for the forum discussions, and actually let the intelligent insights flow on the times.

Article #2: Your guide to slayer seems like a guide to be polite. Unfortunately in the present rs state of efficiency I doubt many people would care about spawn stealing or cannoning in a crowded area. Although I agree wholeheartedly with the "heated" discussion about those slayer's "girlfriends"


Why do articles like this not deserve to be on the times? If you have ideas for articles, by jove please say! Please try yourself coming up with ideas for articles for a year then we will see how many 'original' ideas you can come up with. Criticising a public articles topic when you are not prepared to do it yourself is a null criticism.

Good articles imo. I agree with the slayer one, but I am one of the shrinking group of players not concerned in the slightest with efficiency and just playing the game to waste time and have fun.

They don't deserve to be on the times because the article in question, Racheya's, was her direct response to a forum argument. Where the exact same insults where used, and answered. Rather than glean anything from this, Racheya chose to portray those complaining in a negative light. Frequently calling them kids and making further over generalized. In a sense, it was just trolling. I have an idea for an article, a rebuttal to the point offered by Racheya. Oh wait, there's already a thread for that, created before the article was even written.


It was not a reply to a thread but a view of the discussions on this forums and other forums. To somebody who had no read the thread, it would not force them to read it to know background, it does not direct them to said thread, it does however display her views towards the views other people have. That is the whole point of an article. Roughly, all an article needs to be is somebodies view on something else, written to a good standard. She stated an overview of many peoples view of the delay and then her own view. A discussion on a forum is exactly that, a discussion. It looks to me as if the reason you have difficulty seeing its validity as an article is because it goes against your own point of view you have stated in the threads she gives an overview of.


As stated before, I think it is safe to say the editorial panel would welcome articles from all of you whatever the viewpoint, as long as you write of a good standard. If you are not prepared to show your own viewpoint in an article, you shouldn't say somebody elses viewpoint isn't worth writing an article on.
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First article: Boring again, stated the obvious, nothing new, and was used as a tool to bash those who disagree.

And wrong Danz, if I didn't want to write an article, I still reserve the right as a Tip.It forumer to disagree with anything posted. The day I can't is the day I leave.

"as long as you write of a good standard"

What does this mean too?

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First article: Boring again, stated the obvious, nothing new, and was used as a tool to bash those who disagree.

And wrong Danz, if I didn't want to write an article, I still reserve the right as a Tip.It forumer to disagree with anything posted. The day I can't is the day I leave.



You can disagree with its topic and statements, but stating that it is not even worth being an article in my opinion is just a null point. If you aren't prepared to write for us yourself, don't tell the current writers what they can and can't write.
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First article: Boring again, stated the obvious, nothing new, and was used as a tool to bash those who disagree.

And wrong Danz, if I didn't want to write an article, I still reserve the right as a Tip.It forumer to disagree with anything posted. The day I can't is the day I leave.



You can disagree with its topic and statements, but stating that it is not even worth being an article in my opinion is just a null point. If you aren't prepared to write for us yourself, don't tell the current writers what they can and can't write.

I would agree with that.

As for the 2nd, I don't believe in going out of my way to be polite. I WON'T hop at lighthouse dags, EVER. I WON'T hop at dust devils. I will hop at mutated velds, and a few other places, but otherwise its just too crowded. If you want to "take" or keep a slayer spot, well you'd better have better stats/gear.

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Racheya's "viewpoint" was to insult anybody who disagrees with her, and she does it in a major publication on this fansite, where thousands can read it. What makes this even worse is that she is not only a contributing writer for the Times, but she's also a super moderator for the forums. Not only is her mocking diatribe immature, but it is unprofessional and reflects very poorly on the rest of the staff. Unfortunately, if the article wasn't so inflammatory I probably would've agreed with her point of view. It could've been a good topic, and it even started out okay, but it ended up as a childish rant. Maybe the first article should've read the second article for some tips.
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Racheya's "viewpoint" was to insult anybody who disagrees with her, and she does it in a major publication on this fansite, where thousands can read it. What makes this even worse is that she is not only a contributing writer for the Times, but she's also a super moderator for the forums. Not only is her mocking diatribe immature, but it is unprofessional and reflects very poorly on the rest of the staff. Unfortunately, if the article wasn't so inflammatory I probably would've agreed with her point of view. It could've been a good topic, and it even started out okay, but it ended up as a childish rant.

Which is what some of us have been saying for the last several months.

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First article felt very... condescending :???:

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I rather agree with Racheya's first article. People cannot help themselves but complain. They didn't take back the update, they postponed it until they got the bugs fixed. The update WILL come soon. Just relax. This update isn't going to change the game dramatically, it's an update to a pre-existing feature in the game. I can guarantee not everyone will soley be doing TT for the rest of their time, they do enjoy other parts of the game (or they wouldn't play), so why can't they just keep enjoying the game and wait a little bit? This is a game to enjoy yourself, relax, have some fun.

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I rather agree with Racheya's first article. People cannot help themselves but complain. They didn't take back the update, they postponed it until they got the bugs fixed. The update WILL come soon. Just relax. This update isn't going to change the game dramatically, it's an update to a pre-existing feature in the game. I can guarantee not everyone will soley be doing TT for the rest of their time, they do enjoy other parts of the game (or they wouldn't play), so why can't they just keep enjoying the game and wait a little bit? This is a game to enjoy yourself, relax, have some fun.

And what is wrong with complaing? Do you complain only when it is logical to every one every time?

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I rather agree with Racheya's first article. People cannot help themselves but complain. They didn't take back the update, they postponed it until they got the bugs fixed. The update WILL come soon. Just relax. This update isn't going to change the game dramatically, it's an update to a pre-existing feature in the game. I can guarantee not everyone will soley be doing TT for the rest of their time, they do enjoy other parts of the game (or they wouldn't play), so why can't they just keep enjoying the game and wait a little bit? This is a game to enjoy yourself, relax, have some fun.

And what is wrong with complaing? Do you complain only when it is logical to every one every time?


Normally I don't complain (although I admit, I have made a few posts in the past week or so complaining about complaining (oh the irony!) ). I always have something else I can do. Complaining usually doesn't solve anything, so I don't waste my time. I enjoy having a good time, so if something happens I don't like, I move on to something that makes me happy. That's just me though.

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To the first article, what happend to the days when experienced scapers such as RSw44 or TS Stormage actually written something interesting with good insight? >.> The main article on the tip it time nowadays is nothing more than a rant section. I understand if you as a writer is frustrated at players complaining at Jagex for delaying an update. I mean god forbid you never heard it before. But is it really that worthwhile to put it on the main article? Tip It Times used to be an enjoyment for me and now after today's last straw following a string of bad articles I think I'll end my tradition of reading the times which began 2 years ago just because the editors no longer care who writes them. I remember when RSw44 was still writing, every week he'd post something interesting about the RS economy and gave me new insights into the workings of the GE. Or when Necro wrote his on the history of major RS bugs, that was always a fun walk down memory lane. But nowadays for nearly 2 months the articles seems to be just about people rambling on about their boring lives and the same old cliches (with a few diamonds in the roughs thanks to TS on the decline of the times, Forsakenmage on her fictional, and RSw44's return about Jagex cover ups).

Rants like this don't deserve to be on the times, if it does then I'd go spend 15 minute writing about everything in RS that's ever irritated me and I'll be able to provide tip it with a year's worth of writing. Leave these rants for the forum discussions, and actually let the intelligent insights flow on the times.

Article #2: Your guide to slayer seems like a guide to be polite. Unfortunately in the present rs state of efficiency I doubt many people would care about spawn stealing or cannoning in a crowded area. Although I agree wholeheartedly with the "heated" discussion about those slayer's "girlfriends"


Why do articles like this not deserve to be on the times? If you have ideas for articles, by jove please say! Please try yourself coming up with ideas for articles for a year then we will see how many 'original' ideas you can come up with. Criticising a public articles topic when you are not prepared to do it yourself is a null criticism.

Good articles imo. I agree with the slayer one, but I am one of the shrinking group of players not concerned in the slightest with efficiency and just playing the game to waste time and have fun.

They don't deserve to be on the times because the article in question, Racheya's, was her direct response to a forum argument. Where the exact same insults where used, and answered. Rather than glean anything from this, Racheya chose to portray those complaining in a negative light. Frequently calling them kids and making further over generalized. In a sense, it was just trolling. I have an idea for an article, a rebuttal to the point offered by Racheya. Oh wait, there's already a thread for that, created before the article was even written.


It was not a reply to a thread but a view of the discussions on this forums and other forums. To somebody who had no read the thread, it would not force them to read it to know background, it does not direct them to said thread, it does however display her views towards the views other people have. That is the whole point of an article. Roughly, all an article needs to be is somebodies view on something else, written to a good standard. She stated an overview of many peoples view of the delay and then her own view. A discussion on a forum is exactly that, a discussion. It looks to me as if the reason you have difficulty seeing its validity as an article is because it goes against your own point of view you have stated in the threads she gives an overview of.


As stated before, I think it is safe to say the editorial panel would welcome articles from all of you whatever the viewpoint, as long as you write of a good standard. If you are not prepared to show your own viewpoint in an article, you shouldn't say somebody elses viewpoint isn't worth writing an article on.


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I would be willing to write an article, when did i say I wouldn't? I can say whatever I want, I think her viewpoint was used to troll others. That's my opinion, if you want an article about the reasons why I think that, I'd be more than happy to oblige. Since Racheya said in PM that arguing was useless regarding this, I'm not surprised this turned into an article. After all, if you aren't willing to argue with someone( or groups of people), then writing an article in a condescending nature is the way to go. I am available for such articles, and I can be extra extra condescending, I promise!

Once again, you are making presumptions regarding my stance on a variety of issues. Which is depressing, don't judge me too early Dan! I had to lump myself with the complaining crowd because I felt it was unfair to criticize them. A feeling which, according to Racheya's article, is likely because I'm a little kid who likes shiny things. I generally don't like being insulted. I don't think its my stance on complaining, which I find to be equivalent to unequivocal praise in terms of annoyingness, that makes me upset by the article. It probably had something to do with the insults. Actually, I think you're a little mistaken. You say that I'm questioning the articles validity as an article. On the contrary, I admit it's an article, it just shouldn't be. You're correct in stating that the article doesn't require knowledge of the thread, if you had read the thread then you would know the insults that Racheya has used previously. Including, calling people ,with a valid opinion, whiners, little kids, and lovers of shiny things. Oh and pointless. Well Racheya, if that thread is pointless, and your article is based, in its entirety, on said pointless thread... Well I shouldn't have to do the math, as you pointed out, I'm probably just some little kid.

Hey wait a minute, Danny, didn't you post on that other thread? Didn't your view pretty much agree with Racheyas? It seems silly to question my renunciation of the article, when we could easily question your approval of it. Confirmation Bias?

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Racheya's "viewpoint" was to insult anybody who disagrees with her, and she does it in a major publication on this fansite, where thousands can read it. What makes this even worse is that she is not only a contributing writer for the Times, but she's also a super moderator for the forums. Not only is her mocking diatribe immature, but it is unprofessional and reflects very poorly on the rest of the staff. Unfortunately, if the article wasn't so inflammatory I probably would've agreed with her point of view. It could've been a good topic, and it even started out okay, but it ended up as a childish rant.

Which is what some of us have been saying for the last several months.


I was referring to this particular article only. I'm not ripping on the Times or Racheya in general.
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Until somebody comes forward and writes an article or puts forward a good idea for one, I find it safe to say they (myself included) are unwilling to write one and shouldn't criticise whether or not an article should or should not be written.

As I have already stated, I would assume an article writer can write whatever they want (within reason of course), their view is allowed to be their own, be it one which will upset others or not. I think many articles upset a few people at least, it just so happens this time you were one of the few on the receiving end. This shouldn't meant that this one should not be there, it means that maybe you should read it and think twice about what you may have done to get this directed at you. Just because your view is not the same as somebody else's does not mean they cannot express that view.

To a large extent, I feel her article even represents the view of many people who saw the mass ranting on the RSOF and felt it was pathetic. Just because she posted in a thread about it here on the forums does not mean she cannot write an article on it.
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Until somebody comes forward and writes an article or puts forward a good idea for one, I find it safe to say they (myself included) are unwilling to write one and shouldn't criticise whether or not an article should or should not be written.

As I have already stated, I would assume an article writer can write whatever they want (within reason of course), their view is allowed to be their own, be it one which will upset others or not. I think many articles upset a few people at least, it just so happens this time you were one of the few on the receiving end. This shouldn't meant that this one should not be there, it means that maybe you should read it and think twice about what you may have done to get this directed at you. Just because your view is not the same as somebody else's does not mean they cannot express that view.

To a large extent, I feel her article even represents the view of many people who saw the mass ranting on the RSOF and felt it was pathetic. Just because she posted in a thread about it here on the forums does not mean she cannot write an article on it.

Once again, you're biased. Her opinion aligns with yours. I thought I was clear, I will write an article. I will. Stop saying I won't. Furthermore, since when is critiquing someone bad? This is a discussion forum. We're discussing it. Are we not allowed to post if our opinion differs from that of the writer(s)?

You miss the point once again Danny, this article was written in lieu of a discussion on the subject. There was a place for such discussion which serves as just as positive a place as an article. Yet when we display our opinions on the article, you say we can't as we're not willing to write an article. A flawed and misguided statement which I will discount as a 'null point'.

I invite you to show me an article which has incited as much negative comments as this has, until then that's a null point.

Just because someone doesn't have the same view as you, doesn't mean that you need to insult them in your article. You don't seem to get that. The article frequently insults the reader if they are of a certain belief! Hah! That's the very definition of a bad article! It isn't accessible to others because it clouds it's own argument through insults, which is what I said originally.

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It was obvious from the article that the author couldn't brook anyone disagreeing with her on the issue of complaing, and so resorted to name calling. What more is there to discuss?

Hell, its obvious that Danz can't let things go, just look at the bottom of his signature. He refuses to admit that some people can't, or don't want to, do something "more productive" then play video games when they are paralyzed/hospitalized. He doesn't have any room to accept that. His bias is blatant, and from a moderator, as appalling as Racheya's ad hominum name calling farce of an article.

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Author's just as whiny as the RSOF kids tbh. Yes, they ought to cut Jagex some slack, and at the same time, yes, they have a right to be irritated. Complaining about complaints just turns the entire debacle into a vicious cycle of stupidity - the article draws attention to something that needs none.
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Until somebody comes forward and writes an article or puts forward a good idea for one, I find it safe to say they (myself included) are unwilling to write one and shouldn't criticise whether or not an article should or should not be written.

As I have already stated, I would assume an article writer can write whatever they want (within reason of course), their view is allowed to be their own, be it one which will upset others or not. I think many articles upset a few people at least, it just so happens this time you were one of the few on the receiving end. This shouldn't meant that this one should not be there, it means that maybe you should read it and think twice about what you may have done to get this directed at you. Just because your view is not the same as somebody else's does not mean they cannot express that view.

To a large extent, I feel her article even represents the view of many people who saw the mass ranting on the RSOF and felt it was pathetic. Just because she posted in a thread about it here on the forums does not mean she cannot write an article on it.

Once again, you're biased. Her opinion aligns with yours. I thought I was clear, I will write an article. I will. Stop saying I won't. Furthermore, since when is critiquing someone bad? This is a discussion forum. We're discussing it. Are we not allowed to post if our opinion differs from that of the writer(s)?

You miss the point once again Danny, this article was written in lieu of a discussion on the subject. There was a place for such discussion which serves as just as positive a place as an article. Yet when we display our opinions on the article, you say we can't as we're not willing to write an article. A flawed and misguided statement which I will discount as a 'null point'.

I invite you to show me an article which has incited as much negative comments as this has, until then that's a null point.

Just because someone doesn't have the same view as you, doesn't mean that you need to insult them in your article. You don't seem to get that. The article frequently insults the reader if they are of a certain belief! Hah! That's the very definition of a bad article! It isn't accessible to others because it clouds it's own argument through insults, which is what I said originally.


The last times had an article which some users found just as insulting, in which the writer displayed their dislike for quests.

I am not arguing with you discussing the material within the article, but if you read back to my first quote on this thread, my point was that saying this article does not deserve to be an article is plain wrong. An action taken by many players (complaining) annoyed many other players and one of them wrote an article on it. Just because that person may have previously stated their views on a forum does not mean it cannot be written in an article. Discuss the content to your hearts content, but the article stands.


It was obvious from the article that the author couldn't brook anyone disagreeing with her on the issue of complaing, and so resorted to name calling. What more is there to discuss?

Hell, its obvious that Danz can't let things go, just look at the bottom of his signature. He refuses to admit that some people can't, or don't want to, do something "more productive" then play video games when they are paralyzed/hospitalized. He doesn't have any room to accept that. His bias is blatant, and from a moderator, as appalling as Racheya's ad hominum name calling farce of an article.


I do not refuse to admit people will do that, I do refuse to give them any sympathy whatsoever when they say they cannot do anything else, because they can, they just won't, but this is majorly OT.
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stonewall337

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Don't think anyone asked for your sympathy, which is why I believe it points to your lack of ability to let go when others disagree.

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Dan let me make this clear. This has been my main point, but you dodge it and don't comment on it. What bothers me is how she articulated her point by insulting others. I find this to be completely unreasonable. Your defense of which was to say that I had no right to tell her that it shouldn't be an argument. It is my belief that you shouldn't write on a topic which you have an opinion if you cannot do so kindly. But the article is fraught with insults and sarcasm. I object to this. You're the one who is starting these long drawn out arguments without contributing anything thoughtful. I recognize her opinion is different, Dan, you're missing the point. And you're right, just because someone writes something on a thread doesn't mean they can't write an article about it. But they can sure as hell do that kindly. There is a difference.

I would like to add that on top of that, the article was on a matter which Racheya said was stupid to argue over. Yet that's exactly what the article has caused.

Edited by Maulmachine, 03 August 2010 - 01:39 AM.


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