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I've never account shared on my current account. I just don't want to throw away all the work and achievements I've gained and I feel good knowing I did it all myself.

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To be perfectly honest I don't have any qualms about doing a quest for a friend or helping him out merching in exchange for him becoming my battlestaff slave. It's their choice. I'm 100% that no one but me is going to be logging onto my account as long as I'm interested in RS though.

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*sigh*

Time to confess. My defence is that I started playing this game years ago - like the age for 13, 14. That's somewhere around when this happened.

Me and a good friend played this game (this friend is still a good friend of mine, although doesn't play the game as much) and we at one point knew each others password. (I've since changed mine to be too complex for him to remember.)

And I wholeheartedly agree with the article - one of my bigger regrets in Runescape is that this friend did the quest mountain daughter for me. Big regret. One day I want to eventually level an account up JUST to do that quest on my own.

These days, I'm against it on personal principle - I want all my achievements to be my own. And on the other...side, I guess, I don't want to be achieving something great on an account that isn't mine. However, my confession here, I've helped in small amounts certain RS friends. RS only friends. Helped one on a difficult quest piece, another with a tad of agility. Never got burned for it, and I didn't make enemies out of them. Still friends with one, the other one was a friendship that kinda...faded. I'd rather help someone and have them do nothing on my acc then have them DO something on it o.O

Also, a few people in my clan have also gotten help from people in the clan getting a firecape. I'm quite proud that I did it myself.

Hmmm. Account sharing kind of goes hand-in-hand with botting to me. I would personally never do either, not just because it's against the rules, but because I think it cheapens those achievements. I just wouldn't feel the same sense of accomplishment. Sometimes when I'm wandering around RS, I wonder how many of the skillcapes I see were earned legitimately...


No. Not true.

There is a HUGE difference between two friends sharing an account and/or knowing each otheres password/pin, and botting. You can know the password/pin of someone you know in real life, a good friend, and then you can go on a botting/RW trade site and give them your password in order to let them work on your account in exchange for money. And just because you trust a friend enough to know your password/pin doesn't mean you'd go botting.

I was stupid once. One of my friends convinced me to hand over my password so he'd help me beat the only quest I hadn't at the time(dragon slayer). Well, I was not only stupid enough to hand over my password and my pin, but to not do anything once I caught him stealing my items. (My brother was doing it, don't worry, I stopped him). How could I have been so blind, so stupid, so trusting? It cost me every one of my items, and every piece of my gold, but I learned. I realized every 'friend' is a con artist, every newb a beggar, every pro an ***hole, and anyone nice a figment of my imagination. I stopped talking to people, figuring they'd just rip me off in the long run. Stopped giving advice to newbs, they just wanted money. And while this made me a lot more cynical, its also kept it from happening again.


That's very harsh. There ARE good people in the world you know. Not everyone is out to get you. Yes, many of these people exist, and many ARE trying to rip you off...but not all of them are. The thing to remember is the honest people probably wouldn't OFFER to do a quest for you. Unless they're like 138 and your like level 20 and you've somehow known each other for years >.>

But, yeah. There ARE nice people. I once got a dragon axe (now hatchet) from a friend. And seeing this was after they announced the removal of free trade, but before they got around to doing it, what possible ulterior motives could this person have? Never asked to go on my acc once, do something for me, etc.

I am sorry to hear that happened to you, and I don't blame you for never trusting someone with your acc again. But not talking to people is a tad extreme....honestly, if I quit talking to people on RS, I'd quit. Part of what keeps me attracted to RS is my e-friends >.>

Article two: The glitch article was pretty good. I knew about most except safe deaths - actually, I MAY have heard of safe deaths. And yeah,. the version of the falador massacre was that it worked for people kicked out of the combat ring. But to be honest, the scrying pool looks more likely, as your not "in" a house, explaining why it took longer to find and why Jagex didn't find it.

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I don't actually believe 70% of people give others access to their account. In fact, I'll make a point of refusing to believe that 'stunning fact' until a large-scale survey is conducted which actually proves that claim.

The fact is, people falsely associate in-game achievements with real life characteristics. First impressions count for a whole lot, in real life as well, but especially in RuneScape where information about the other person is even more limited to simply an avatar on a computer screen. Which is why when we see a level 138, or a person with a Fire cape, we instantly assume they have killed many thousands of slayer beasts, or defeated Jad respectively. This leads to a false presumption that whoever is in control of the account at that moment has fulfilled those tasks successfully; the philosophical reality is that the person controlling the account is simply that - a puppeteer controlling an avatar that could just as easily be controlled by anyone else, which bears the collective hallmark of all those who have played it before. Only the account has performed exceptionally well, there is nothing linking the account to the player, except the hope that the account owner has integrity.

Jagex only cares about account sharing for the same reason sports governing bodies care about the conduct of their members: They want to make the game as "pure" as possible. The non-idealistic reality is that unfortunately, not all players in a game are necessarily "pure", and it's very difficult for Jagex to prove account sharing isn't happening without sticking 1984-esque cameras into every player's room and restricting the account to one computer, which begs a difficult question.

Personally, I'm someone who has been falsely accused of twice attempting to account steal/share; the second time, Jagex accused me of commiting a real-world crime without offering any evidence to support the claim, and perma-banned my account - interestingly I still haven't heard from the police. I would never share my account with anyone, but why 'criminalise' innocent people, when apparently so many people who are genuinely sharing are getting away with it, and there's an moral argument to suggest it's their account to do what they like with anyway so long as they're paying hard cash for it?

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I don't actually believe 70% of people give others access to their account. In fact, I'll make a point of refusing to believe that 'stunning fact' until a large-scale survey is conducted which actually proves that claim.


70% of all people? No, just those who have a friend that also is/became a runescape player, or vice versa... When you look at competative clans the density is considerably larger, but the 70% is the average of all the people fitting in the category mentioned...

Whether you choose to belive it or not is of no concern to anyone but yourself, but I have no reason to lie in an article... With several people already admitting (publicly, rather than privately to me) on this thread that they once had access to an account that was not their own, only confirms it all.

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I don't actually believe 70% of people give others access to their account. In fact, I'll make a point of refusing to believe that 'stunning fact' until a large-scale survey is conducted which actually proves that claim.


70% of all people? No, just those who have a friend that also is/became a runescape player, or vice versa... When you look at competative clans the density is considerably larger, but the 70% is the average of all the people fitting in the category mentioned...

Whether you choose to belive it or not is of no concern to anyone but yourself, but I have no reason to lie in an article... With several people already admitting (publicly, rather than privately to me) on this thread that they once had access to an account that was not their own, only confirms it all.



I'd be curious as to where you got your data, without a real data pool, your numbers are highly subject to being messed up. I, personally, wouldn't believe the 70% number without some proof, and I mean real proof, and not just some assumption based off personal conclusion.

And, actually, this line is rather asinine.

"Whether you choose to belive it or not is of no concern to anyone but yourself, but I have no reason to lie in an article"

You assume we should just believe you, without any hard data. I'm not discounting the fact that you could be right, rather that I fail to see a reliable, even slightly scientific method that you used to determine this.

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one of my friends used to let his bro on his account his bro had his own account but they skill on thier own account but the brother only went to pk and have fun dont see a problem with that kinda accountsharing....

only account sharing i really think is nub is....

a family that shares accounts to be upranked in highscores


like if an account could be logged in 24 hrs a day skilling by a family member thats bad and ruins the achievements for others really...

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Whether you choose to belive it or not is of no concern to anyone but yourself, but I have no reason to lie in an article...

Well firstly, your issue as an editor is what I believe about your article so it really is your concern as well.

Secondly, I never doubted your honesty. I'm sure 70% of the people you asked said others had access to their account. All I'm saying is that I don't believe 70% of the general RS population participate in account sharing, and until a scientifcally accountable survey tells me otherwise, I'll continue to believe that.

It's about data interpretation; you've not released any data or information on how you gathered it, therefore I refuse to believe any interpretations you've drawn from it. If you thoroughly surveyed about a thousand people, that's very different to PMing ten people from the Tip.It community.

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Nice article Stormage, your articles are often a bit off, but this one seemed to fit well. Although your allegory wasn't needed as far as I am concerned; I thought you were still referring to account sharing. Anyhow, I never account shared myself. I never understood it. My friends had their accounts, I had my account. It was that simple! We played together. With rs accounts, sharing is not caring.

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I think I stated in my article how I got my data... But if you must know, I asked a total of 239 random people (just going up to them in RS and asking them), 188 of which are in a clan of some sort. This was done on random world numbers, so I wouldnt know if I got on a F2P or a P2P world, but if I was on a themed world, I'd visited whatever was done on that world the most and ask people there, all over a protracted period of time of several weeks.

The 51 people that were not in a clan, 22 still had friends that also played RS, or RS players that turned into friends, and out of those 22, 5 admitted to sharing.
The 188 that were in a clan, 172 have similar friends, and of those 172, 130 admitted to sharing.

The two questions asked were fi they had any friends in rs, and the 2nd was if they had ever shared password etc data with that friend.

I did not save any names, I just tallied it on a whiteboard that i have hanging on the wall...


But, if this is not good enough for you (which for some people it will without a doubt not be), go make a random inconspicuous account name and go out in the world and ASK YOURSELF...

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I think I stated in my article how I got my data... But if you must know, I asked a total of 239 random people (just going up to them in RS and asking them), 188 of which are in a clan of some sort. This was done on random world numbers, so I wouldnt know if I got on a F2P or a P2P world, but if I was on a themed world, I'd visited whatever was done on that world the most and ask people there, all over a protracted period of time of several weeks.

The 51 people that were not in a clan, 22 still had friends that also played RS, or RS players that turned into friends, and out of those 22, 5 admitted to sharing.
The 188 that were in a clan, 172 have similar friends, and of those 172, 130 admitted to sharing.

The two questions asked were fi they had any friends in rs, and the 2nd was if they had ever shared password etc data with that friend.

I did not save any names, I just tallied it on a whiteboard that i have hanging on the wall...


But, if this is not good enough for you (which for some people it will without a doubt not be), go make a random inconspicuous account name and go out in the world and ASK YOURSELF...

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Seriously guys, every time Stormage writes an article you tear him to shreds.

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I think I stated in my article how I got my data... But if you must know, I asked a total of 239 random people (just going up to them in RS and asking them), 188 of which are in a clan of some sort. This was done on random world numbers, so I wouldnt know if I got on a F2P or a P2P world, but if I was on a themed world, I'd visited whatever was done on that world the most and ask people there, all over a protracted period of time of several weeks.

The 51 people that were not in a clan, 22 still had friends that also played RS, or RS players that turned into friends, and out of those 22, 5 admitted to sharing.
The 188 that were in a clan, 172 have similar friends, and of those 172, 130 admitted to sharing.

The two questions asked were fi they had any friends in rs, and the 2nd was if they had ever shared password etc data with that friend.

I did not save any names, I just tallied it on a whiteboard that i have hanging on the wall...


But, if this is not good enough for you (which for some people it will without a doubt not be), go make a random inconspicuous account name and go out in the world and ASK YOURSELF...

^this=ownage

Seriously guys, every time Stormage writes an article you tear him to shreds.

As the old folks would say, You got your come-up-ance!


I don't really doubt the validity of his claim because I seen that happening with the friends I had on my friend list too. A portion of them at some point in time weren't on but someone else is on instead.

Many people said that sharing between best friend or family member is alright is sort of gray area. But if you really want to clear it up, I rather be black and white and exclude any type of sharing, otherwise people will use their own reasoning and excuses for proper justification.
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Awesome article, Ts_Stormrage. Account sharing is very common in Runescape, and I think that is a problem. People put their accounts at risks. As well as their friendships. It is really a horrible thing, at least I think so.

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You failed to mention if this was "a scientifcally accountable survey" or not...

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To be honest I did account share waaaaay back in the early days of RSC. I only played RSC for 10 days when I was 8 years old, and I had a friend who convinced me that account sharing was a good thing "because everyone did it." We only shared accounts for around 5 days, then I got bored of runescape and quit. I don't even remember that account name.
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I am honestly surprised at such a high percentage of account sharers as well, and more surprised at how readily people admit it. It makes me even more skeptical of players talking about their accounts "somehow" being hacked. It was an eye-opening article for sure.
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I am honestly surprised at such a high percentage of account sharers as well, and more surprised at how readily people admit it. It makes me even more skeptical of players talking about their accounts "somehow" being hacked. It was an eye-opening article for sure.


Hacking in the true sense of the word is too much effort for just 1 rs account, so that will never happen...
Hacking as claimed by many people is, well you read the article...

I believe the reason that people admit it so readily (without admitting to anything else) is that they know they dont get caught anyways... Eye opening? yeah... Surprisingly unexpected? nah...

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