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Hi

 

I have been giving this a lot of thought before finally deciding to make this post.

 

The reason for making this post is that i would to here your opinion on where Jagex went wrong on equipment stats. I'm most interested in the silly ones where you ask yourself why did they do this - IMO, what it's all comes down to is poor gamedesign/decisioning

 

Anyway, nuff talk here is my candidates:

 

1. Cape of Legends (my favourite)

 

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Why are the stats so bad in comparison to the Obsidian cape ?

 

To obtain the Cape of Legends you need 108 Quest Points which takes some time achieve (to say the least) and all you end up with is a lousy piece of rag - shouldn't it as a bare minimum have been this other way around stat wise and shouldn't it had looked awesome ?

 

2. Dragon sq shield

 

Comment:

Why don't the Dragon sq shield not surpass the Obsidian Shield ?

 

To obtain the Dragon sq shield you need 108 Quest Points which takes some time achieve (to say the least) and then you'll have to find the missing piece and you end up with is a lousy piece of rag - shouldn't it as a bare minimum have had the same stats in Strength, Range and Summoning ?

 

3. White Knight Armor

 

Comment:

Why is Proselyte armor better than White Knight Armor ?

 

To obtain a White Knight Platebody you'll have kill 800 Black Knights vs. "just" having to finish the Slug Menace quest.

 

As i understand White Knights are holy knights comparable to the Knights Templar order, so why don't a fully suited up White Knight get a hefty Prayer bonus ?

 

These are the three first that i could think of, but i know there are quite a few more outthere

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The Legends cape was released before the obsidian cape, and the dragon sq shield was released before the obsidian shield. Back then they were the best items for the cape and shield slot, but these days there are just much better alternatives :)

 

Edit: white armour has a lvl 10 def requirement, proselyte has a lvl 30 def requirement, also quite logic that proselyte has better stats :)

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Because if every new reward gets better and better, within 6 month's we'd have a much higher max hit and be able to 1 hit people (Easier than we can today)

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You're forgetting such awesome items as: Helm of Neitiznot (Best all round helm), Soul wars cape, Draggon dagger.

 

And then all the lesser dragon items and the situational pieces such as the crystal bow, Balmung etc.

 

Just as not every TD can drop dragon claws, not every quest can reward you with game-changing items.

 

I really do find it difficult to believe that you gave "this a lot of thought before finally deciding to make this post"


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Legend cape and D sq pre-date obby items by years so obv they suck.

 

White Knight armour is equal to black knight armour; it was only added cause so many ppl moaned bout the inequality of having blk but not white.

 

Plus Temple Knights (you give proslyete etc) recruit FROM the White Knights ergo White Knights = lesser than the lowest Temple Knight


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Barrows Gloves?

 

'nuff said.

 

Oh, by the way, Neiti/Zerker/Archer/Farseer Helms are good, D Square is still useful for cheap range tanking. Legends Cape isn't too difficult to get, either =P


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Why would i have felt cheated? Legends cape was by far the best cape in the game and ridiculously exclusive at the time, comparable to the fire cape that replaced it. People that had one were very much respected, and the fact that you are a newschool player doesn't devalue the notion. Same thing with dragon med/square- they used to be the elysian and divine of their time and it's your fault missing that particular time.. White knight was always meant as a novelty armor and there are alot better examples of useless/worthless wearable items that require ridiculous amounts of playtime to gain(cw armor before update, for example).


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I still have a legends cape in my back for some old school scaping


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Legends was the best cape for a long time.

 

Dragon square IS better than obsidian in everything except range defence and strength.

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Hi

 

I have been giving this a lot of thought before finally deciding to make this post.

 

The reason for making this post is that i would to here your opinion on where Jagex went wrong on equipment stats. I'm most interested in the silly ones where you ask yourself why did they do this - IMO, what it's all comes down to is poor gamedesign/decisioning

 

Anyway, nuff talk here is my candidates:

 

1. Cape of Legends (my favourite)

 

Comment:

Why are the stats so bad in comparison to the Obsidian cape ?

 

To obtain the Cape of Legends you need 108 Quest Points which takes some time achieve (to say the least) and all you end up with is a lousy piece of rag - shouldn't it as a bare minimum have been this other way around stat wise and shouldn't it had looked awesome ?

 

2. Dragon sq shield

 

Comment:

Why don't the Dragon sq shield not surpass the Obsidian Shield ?

 

To obtain the Dragon sq shield you need 108 Quest Points which takes some time achieve (to say the least) and then you'll have to find the missing piece and you end up with is a lousy piece of rag - shouldn't it as a bare minimum have had the same stats in Strength, Range and Summoning ?

 

3. White Knight Armor

 

Comment:

Why is Proselyte armor better than White Knight Armor ?

 

To obtain a White Knight Platebody you'll have kill 800 Black Knights vs. "just" having to finish the Slug Menace quest.

 

As i understand White Knights are holy knights comparable to the Knights Templar order, so why don't a fully suited up White Knight get a hefty Prayer bonus ?

 

These are the three first that i could think of, but i know there are quite a few more outthere

 

 

1. the legends cape gives +7 to all defensives and was the number 1 cape in runescape for a long, long time. also it only costing 600?gp it is still quite the bang for the buck. obby cape used to be over 300k in comparison.

 

2. lousy piece of rag? uhh.. actually if you are 60 defense the d sq is great for mages and rangers. i remember when i hovered at 60 defense i loved my d sq. furthermore if you look up old Mage staking videos, nearly every mage used one as defense from melee.

 

3. because white knight armor only requires 10 defense. having identical stats to black armour (besides prayer bonus) it gives 10 defense pures a great chance to look great and get extra prayer. again, the white knight armor was released wayyy before prossy.


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1. Cape of Legends (my favourite)

 

Comment:

Why are the stats so bad in comparison to the Obsidian cape ?

 

To obtain the Cape of Legends you need 108 Quest Points which takes some time achieve (to say the least) and all you end up with is a lousy piece of rag - shouldn't it as a bare minimum have been this other way around stat wise and shouldn't it had looked awesome ?

Uh, why aren't you using a soul wars cape? What kind of a quester are you, huh? :ugeek:

 

2. Dragon sq shield

 

Comment:

Why don't the Dragon sq shield not surpass the Obsidian Shield ?

 

To obtain the Dragon sq shield you need 108 Quest Points which takes some time achieve (to say the least) and then you'll have to find the missing piece and you end up with is a lousy piece of rag - shouldn't it as a bare minimum have had the same stats in Strength, Range and Summoning ?

Hullo, spirit shields anyone? Have you not done Summer's End? Legends Quest is pretty easy btw.

 

Why is Proselyte armor better than White Knight Armor ?

Uh, proselyte armor is also quest gear, and it requires a higher-level quest? doubt.gif

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I'm pretty sure Troacctid owned your thread's examples.

 

I would have liked to see, say, the Body Body offer the same magic defense as a Karil's top without any other bonuses. But I'm fine with the amount of quest rewards.


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You have to think all of these rewards in the time they were released. Both items you mentioned in the OP were out before the TzHaar area was created, and in their time, they were the best options.


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Hi

 

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts - i'm surprised that so many has participated so far :thumbsup:

 

As i read through your replies i can see that quite a few of you argue that the reason why the Cape of Legends has so bad stats is because it is an old item in comparison to the, in my example, the Obsidian Cape.

 

This is somewhat a valid point, however, i will still call it bad gamedesign when the devs release a cape which you don't have to work hard to get ie. grinding tons of quests - i cannot understand why they didn't took a close look at the Cape of legends before they made the stats for the Obsidian cape - is it okay to release a cape that has better than the Cape of Legends which players just can buy ?

 

Would anyone of you find it acceptable if they introduced a new cape which had better stats than the Fire Cape and this new cape could be bought for like 1 million ? - would any then bother getting the Fire Cape anymore (personally i wouldn't)

 

I think my point covers the Dragon sq Shield

 

You have to think all of these rewards in the time they were released. Both items you mentioned in the OP were out before the TzHaar area was created, and in their time, they were the best options.

 

You have a good point, however, i think that the devs has a responsibility to make sure that newer content don't "conflict" with older content and i think the "issue" of Cape of Legends vs. Obsidian Cape is a prime example for gamedesign gone wrong.

 

In regards to the Proselyte vs. the White Knight armor i can now see the question isn't so easily answered as you need higher stats to wear Proselyte than White Knight armor.

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Yeah, pretty much what everyone else said. However, there are some quest rewards that are totally unnecessary. I can't think of any right now, but I'm sure they're there. Trust me. ;)


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Yeah, pretty much what everyone else said. However, there are some quest rewards that are totally unnecessary. I can't think of any right now, but I'm sure they're there. Trust me. ;)

 

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Such game 'pureism' from someone so new to the actual game. Cape of legends was a status symbol when it was actually hard to earn, but the release of rs2 made everything so much easier so the cape also became ridiculously easy to get(not to mention the new quests). The game had to evolve, and replacing legends cape with a better cape was just a matter of time as everybody and their dog had one. When fire cape was released, only a select few could even hope to obtain one and there were much fewer to go around than most 99 skills(of which there were also much fewer at the time). So to compensate for the ridiculously hard to get cape, they also released another cape to cater for everyone else, which later got burned by skill capes. If there ever becomes a time every newb can get their hands on a fire cape and they do release a better cape(sw/ardy are contenders but not better) then it wouldn't matter much if a ''second best'' cape was also released. This could be applied to most dragon weaponry/armor, javs/throwaxes, elemental/mystic staves and a load of other stuff that used to be good but lost their glory over time. Nowadays, even the abyssal whip could be added to your list.


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Legends cape is more of a status symbol anyway

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Would anyone of you find it acceptable if they introduced a new cape which had better stats than the Fire Cape and this new cape could be bought for like 1 million ? - would any then bother getting the Fire Cape anymore (personally i wouldn't)

 

 

What are you talking about, they do this all the time???

 

Eg: Dragon Dagger (which requires quests) and Dragon Claws. For 99% of situations, claws are a rich mans dd.


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Would anyone of you find it acceptable if they introduced a new cape which had better stats than the Fire Cape and this new cape could be bought for like 1 million ? - would any then bother getting the Fire Cape anymore (personally i wouldn't)

 

 

What are you talking about, they do this all the time???

 

Eg: Dragon Dagger (which requires quests) and Dragon Claws. For 99% of situations, claws are a rich mans dd.

 

But does that make it okay then ? - I think your example is yet another piece of gamedesig-gone-wrong evidence

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Would anyone of you find it acceptable if they introduced a new cape which had better stats than the Fire Cape and this new cape could be bought for like 1 million ? - would any then bother getting the Fire Cape anymore (personally i wouldn't)

 

 

What are you talking about, they do this all the time???

 

Eg: Dragon Dagger (which requires quests) and Dragon Claws. For 99% of situations, claws are a rich mans dd.

 

But does that make it okay then ? - I think your example is yet another piece of gamedesig-gone-wrong evidence

 

So you're saying that progress is bad? I don't get what the point of your thread is.


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Items like the the legend's cape don't have "poor equipment stats", they just don't have the best stats. You can't expect the best item for every equipment slot to come from quests. The Legend's cape is also great value for money, if you wanna pay 60k for an extra +2 defence bonus go for it.


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