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I don't want to make this seem like a omg clan world dying topic, but let's just say the clan world size isn't what it used to be. Now you can throw out many reasons as to why but I'm more here to discuss about the quality in which your clan seeks, due to the lack of clanners to recruit from.

 

With the clan world "Smaller" than before do you focus on quality recruits or teaching members how to become quality members?

 

Is the quality most clans seek slowing down the growth of the clan world, or could it even be a contributing factor to less people clanning? (Keep in mind there are tons of other reasons to why you may think the clan world is smaller but we're talking quality/expectations of clans when it comes to recruiting)

 

If your clan does take in new clanners what do you do to ensure that they become a quality member?

 

At what point do you give up on trying to teach new clanners and just let them fail/quit/get kicked?

 

Do you focus on improving the quality of your current member base to allow some leeway on newer clanners?

 

 

 

If you don't want to answer with the questions just mainly talk about how your clan manages the quality of your member base and if there is anything else you would change in how your clan works with managing the quality.


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My opinion is all clans that pull low should just form up and be one clan and join the top 5 clans , Instead of doing 20 vs 20s or 30 vs 30s.


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My opinion is all clans that pull low should just form up and be one clan and join the top 5 clans , Instead of doing 20 vs 20s or 30 vs 30s.

 

What if they aren't ready for bigger fights? The quality of your clan would suffer and you would be facing my questions again, how do you manage the quality of your member base. A lot of smaller clans bring in newer clanners and have to teach them how to clan, with out smaller clans the few clans that you want, would have to deal with the quality.


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My opinion is all clans that pull low should just form up and be one clan and join the top 5 clans , Instead of doing 20 vs 20s or 30 vs 30s.

That's a good opinion, but if that happened the clan world would just shrink even more. I think that small clans recruit a lot of inexperienced people and then those people go on to join Top clans. Being a leader of a clan who is really small for 2 years i can tell you that at least 30 people have been in lth, quit, and joined top clans.

 

It's just that top clans aren't easy to join for new people, but smalls clans have less requirements.

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My opinion is all clans that pull low should just form up and be one clan and join the top 5 clans , Instead of doing 20 vs 20s or 30 vs 30s.

That's a good opinion, but if that happened the clan world would just shrink even more. I think that small clans recruit a lot of inexperienced people and then those people go on to join Top clans. Being a leader of a clan who is really small for 2 years i can tell you that at least 30 people have been in lth, quit, and joined top clans.

 

It's just that top clans aren't easy to join for new people, but smalls clans have less requirements.

The clan world would not shrink even more , The clan worlds already dying because the only uhm lets just say " more experienced clans " are in top 5 , If there was let's say a top 7 ( without counting tt since they pk once every 4 weeks ) the clan world would get bigger because more active warring. Small clans dont pk because they dont have the numbers to clear crashers or theyre's not enough small clans to fight.


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With the clan world "Smaller" than before do you focus on quality recruits or teaching members how to become quality members? As long as a member is willing to learn, we're fine with it.

 

Is the quality most clans seek slowing down the growth of the clan world, or could it even be a contributing factor to less people clanning? (Keep in mind there are tons of other reasons to why you may think the clan world is smaller but we're talking quality/expectations of clans when it comes to recruiting)

 

Quality has always been something in clanning it seems however, just that it's hard to find "quality" in today's RS. The clan world is small, but if all clans lowered their quality requirement you'd see a much bigger clan world then even 2006. However, it's Runescape where most clanners consider 90% of the population to be idiots that they don't want in their clan. Basic things like third-party forums & IRC stop average Runescapers from even joining the real clan world. RSB will begin to prosper over the years, and the current off-site clan world is really just a majority of people who don't even play the game. Take an example of the pure world, clans like Foe/MM advertise everywhere to recruit and have more members then RoT/RSD. However, their quality in age, ability and other stuff is mediocre. 70% of high level pures will be in a clan, 1% of mains will be in one.

 

If your clan does take in new clanners what do you do to ensure that they become a quality member? Tank Practices / Mentoring

 

At what point do you give up on trying to teach new clanners and just let them fail/quit/get kicked? If they don't care, all I can say is "Bye!"

 

Do you focus on improving the quality of your current member base to allow some leeway on newer clanners? Usually

 

As for the Top 15 idea, it's not going to happen. I joined a med-size clan cause it's a better community there, and I don't want to spend hours on events. Small clans ALWAYS PK'd back in 07, even in my CC/RSB Clans. There's world 17,21,32,57 & 136 for F2P. It's easy that you will be hunted down. Many people go PK'ing a group of 5-10 people on P2P, because you won't get hunted down.


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We just want all our new members to get used to our warring speed, we had a large amount of new members a few months ago so our organization was pretty bad. We started doing more matched opt fights with top 5 clans and had a few cwri's and now i think our new members are used to our kind of warring and it showed by us beating tt a few weeks ago in matched opts

 

We don't try and have our members "fail" everyone keeps our vent and irc active and it gets the new members into the community. Like Darkrai said, "if they don't care all I can say is bye".


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With the clan world "Smaller" than before do you focus on quality recruits or teaching members how to become quality members?

We've always been a clan about equal opportunity and that's how we will should remain.

 

Is the quality most clans seek slowing down the growth of the clan world, or could it even be a contributing factor to less people clanning? (Keep in mind there are tons of other reasons to why you may think the clan world is smaller but we're talking quality/expectations of clans when it comes to recruiting)

I don't see this decline, but then again, I don't get involved in the drama of the "clan world". I just focus on Downfall and making it the best it can be.

 

If your clan does take in new clanners what do you do to ensure that they become a quality member?

We have an active community more than willing to teach them anything they need.

 

At what point do you give up on trying to teach new clanners and just let them fail/quit/get kicked?

As I said before, we founded Downfall for the community not to be number one. No one should feel unwanted in our clan just because they lack waring abilities. We judge based on character not skill. Anyone found doing other wise in our clan should be the ones kicked.

 

Do you focus on improving the quality of your current member base to allow some leeway on newer clanners?

We always strive to improve regardless. We do this out of pride for our clan and our community.

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It happens naturally in Solace. We've kicked some great members due to them messing up i.e. Wtf Elvemage, Tata360 etc. And if members lack actual skill in warring, we only ask that they're dedicated and willing to learn.


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My opinion is all clans that pull low should just form up and be one clan and join the top 5 clans , Instead of doing 20 vs 20s or 30 vs 30s.

Lots of members get members from smaller clans when they die or when the members are looking for something new.

 

 

 

If your clan does take in new clanners what do you do to ensure that they become a quality member? If they are willing to learn yes.

 

At what point do you give up on trying to teach new clanners and just let them fail/quit/get kicked? We don't give up on trying to teach them, if all we teach them still can't be applied experience is the best option.

 

Do you focus on improving the quality of your current member base to allow some leeway on newer clanners? We always try to improve new members or not.


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We don't decline anyone due to a lack of experience. It's more likely that we will decline someone due to a lack of effort. If people are willing to learn, we are willing to teach. We're always aiming to improve our memberbase. :thumbup:


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We don't decline anyone due to a lack of experience. It's more likely that we will decline someone due to a lack of effort. If people are willing to learn, we are willing to teach. We're always aiming to improve our memberbase. :thumbup:

This is a good way to look at it. While there are clans that will (and should) only take more experienced members (like the top 5) there have to be clans willing to give the experience in the first place, or else the clan world cannot survive.


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We're willing to teach anyone who's willing to put the effort into learning. Quality recruit really depends on your definition of what makes that person "quality."


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My opinion is all clans that pull low should just form up and be one clan and join the top 5 clans , Instead of doing 20 vs 20s or 30 vs 30s.

That's a good opinion, but if that happened the clan world would just shrink even more. I think that small clans recruit a lot of inexperienced people and then those people go on to join Top clans. Being a leader of a clan who is really small for 2 years i can tell you that at least 30 people have been in lth, quit, and joined top clans.

 

It's just that top clans aren't easy to join for new people, but smalls clans have less requirements.

The clan world would not shrink even more , The clan worlds already dying because the only uhm lets just say " more experienced clans " are in top 5 , If there was let's say a top 7 ( without counting tt since they pk once every 4 weeks ) the clan world would get bigger because more active warring. Small clans dont pk because they dont have the numbers to clear crashers or theyre's not enough small clans to fight.

 

If there was only a few clans around then it would be the same wars over and over again and as a whole the clan world would then just shrink as people start to quit rs and seeing as the top clans are all about numbers atm then the top clans wouldnt really have any real decent people comming up through the ranks. U need smaller clans in the clan world tbh it adds variation and where would you be without the smaller clans? from what i know of you, you would still be making w141 "official clans" like sk, bk (not the blacknights) like i would be. small clans are the reason why i personally and you personally as well as many others know about the real clan world. without them we would have either quit rs or still be kids at w141.


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We're willing to teach anyone who's willing to put the effort into learning. Quality recruit really depends on your definition of what makes that person "quality."

 

That's a good way to put it, I guess you could call some one whose willing to learn a quality recruit, I don't mind helping people but if they aren't willing to learn or do some work then I just get mad angry.gif


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My opinion is all clans that pull low should just form up and be one clan and join the top 5 clans , Instead of doing 20 vs 20s or 30 vs 30s.

That's a good opinion, but if that happened the clan world would just shrink even more. I think that small clans recruit a lot of inexperienced people and then those people go on to join Top clans. Being a leader of a clan who is really small for 2 years i can tell you that at least 30 people have been in lth, quit, and joined top clans.

 

It's just that top clans aren't easy to join for new people, but smalls clans have less requirements.

The clan world would not shrink even more , The clan worlds already dying because the only uhm lets just say " more experienced clans " are in top 5 , If there was let's say a top 7 ( without counting tt since they pk once every 4 weeks ) the clan world would get bigger because more active warring. Small clans dont pk because they dont have the numbers to clear crashers or theyre's not enough small clans to fight.

 

If there was only a few clans around then it would be the same wars over and over again and as a whole the clan world would then just shrink as people start to quit rs and seeing as the top clans are all about numbers atm then the top clans wouldnt really have any real decent people comming up through the ranks. U need smaller clans in the clan world tbh it adds variation and where would you be without the smaller clans? from what i know of you, you would still be making w141 "official clans" like sk, bk (not the blacknights) like i would be. small clans are the reason why i personally and you personally as well as many others know about the real clan world. without them we would have either quit rs or still be kids at w141.

So if there was more " Top " clans , The clan world wouldnt die , More active warring for the top clans , So if the small clans merge together , There are more competition for the " Top " clans so theyre will be more warring. If small clans dont merge now , The clan world will be dying more then it already is.


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The quality of smaller clans mergining together, to compete with a top 10 clan would collapse. For now smaller clans have to take in less quality members and train them up only to see them leave to join a top 10 clan. That or the top 10 clans would have to be more open to in game recruiting and working harder on people who have never clanned before.

 

It may sound cool OMGOMGOMG ONLY 15 CLANS ITD BE SO intense. But that's one of the reasons I'm not into bigger clans, I'd rather be able to war 20+ clans than a few.


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My opinion is all clans that pull low should just form up and be one clan and join the top 5 clans , Instead of doing 20 vs 20s or 30 vs 30s.

That's a good opinion, but if that happened the clan world would just shrink even more. I think that small clans recruit a lot of inexperienced people and then those people go on to join Top clans. Being a leader of a clan who is really small for 2 years i can tell you that at least 30 people have been in lth, quit, and joined top clans.

 

It's just that top clans aren't easy to join for new people, but smalls clans have less requirements.

The clan world would not shrink even more , The clan worlds already dying because the only uhm lets just say " more experienced clans " are in top 5 , If there was let's say a top 7 ( without counting tt since they pk once every 4 weeks ) the clan world would get bigger because more active warring. Small clans dont pk because they dont have the numbers to clear crashers or theyre's not enough small clans to fight.

 

If there was only a few clans around then it would be the same wars over and over again and as a whole the clan world would then just shrink as people start to quit rs and seeing as the top clans are all about numbers atm then the top clans wouldnt really have any real decent people comming up through the ranks. U need smaller clans in the clan world tbh it adds variation and where would you be without the smaller clans? from what i know of you, you would still be making w141 "official clans" like sk, bk (not the blacknights) like i would be. small clans are the reason why i personally and you personally as well as many others know about the real clan world. without them we would have either quit rs or still be kids at w141.

So if there was more " Top " clans , The clan world wouldnt die , More active warring for the top clans , So if the small clans merge together , There are more competition for the " Top " clans so theyre will be more warring. If small clans dont merge now , The clan world will be dying more then it already is.

 

If there was only a few clans then the clan world would get boring. Also all the officials in the small clans would then have the whole problem of who takes what role in the merging of a super clan. You know how mergers normally go, i think the only successful merger this year was ascension but even then im not to sure about how it came about.

 

The quality of smaller clans mergining together, to compete with a top 10 clan would collapse. For now smaller clans have to take in less quality members and train them up only to see them leave to join a top 10 clan. That or the top 10 clans would have to be more open to in game recruiting and working harder on people who have never clanned before.

 

It may sound cool OMGOMGOMG ONLY 15 CLANS ITD BE SO intense. But that's one of the reasons I'm not into bigger clans, I'd rather be able to war 20+ clans than a few.

 

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The thing is, there's a lot of rivalry, competition, and rivalry these days. Reputation means quite a lot. That's why TWR clans resolve to recruiting experienced members only. Sure, their requirements won't have something like "must not be a 141prod" but what they're doing instead, is raising their requirements to the point where level 80/90 "noobs" cannot join them. That's why all the top 5 clans have requirements such as "must have 100 pvp rune sets" or "120 combat with all 90+ combat stats" Many TWR clans are also trying to do this, such as TK, T0, and DF having a req of 110+ cb.

 

I can understand why they would do this. Sure, those so called "141ners" can learn if you teach them but it would be far more efficient and easier if you recruit experienced mems only. You wouldn't want to loose an important rivalry clan war just because a certain newcomer was k0ed, right?

 

Although it would definitely benefit the clan world if we welcome these newcomers with open arms, leaders of top clans will find this hard to do nowadays.


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My opinion is all clans that pull low should just form up and be one clan and join the top 5 clans , Instead of doing 20 vs 20s or 30 vs 30s.

That's a good opinion, but if that happened the clan world would just shrink even more. I think that small clans recruit a lot of inexperienced people and then those people go on to join Top clans. Being a leader of a clan who is really small for 2 years i can tell you that at least 30 people have been in lth, quit, and joined top clans.

 

It's just that top clans aren't easy to join for new people, but smalls clans have less requirements.

The clan world would not shrink even more , The clan worlds already dying because the only uhm lets just say " more experienced clans " are in top 5 , If there was let's say a top 7 ( without counting tt since they pk once every 4 weeks ) the clan world would get bigger because more active warring. Small clans dont pk because they dont have the numbers to clear crashers or theyre's not enough small clans to fight.

 

If there was only a few clans around then it would be the same wars over and over again and as a whole the clan world would then just shrink as people start to quit rs and seeing as the top clans are all about numbers atm then the top clans wouldnt really have any real decent people comming up through the ranks. U need smaller clans in the clan world tbh it adds variation and where would you be without the smaller clans? from what i know of you, you would still be making w141 "official clans" like sk, bk (not the blacknights) like i would be. small clans are the reason why i personally and you personally as well as many others know about the real clan world. without them we would have either quit rs or still be kids at w141.

So if there was more " Top " clans , The clan world wouldnt die , More active warring for the top clans , So if the small clans merge together , There are more competition for the " Top " clans so theyre will be more warring. If small clans dont merge now , The clan world will be dying more then it already is.

I think you fail to realize that not everyone likes the top 10. It's a pretty [cabbage] place to be. But to all his own.


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If your clan does take in new clanners what do you do to ensure that they become a quality member?

We don't often get "new to clanning" applicants, those who do we pressurize them gently into asking for help. One weak link in the chain can mean a win or a loss.

 

At what point do you give up on trying to teach new clanners and just let them fail/quit/get kicked?

I don't think we'd resort to that, I think we'd just talk to them and make it clear that they need to improve and that they'd be dropped for important wars.

 

Do you focus on improving the quality of your current member base to allow some leeway on newer clanners?

Ofc, newer clanners who've never "warred officially" need to be given some leeway since they all won't learn overnight.


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If your clan does take in new clanners what do you do to ensure that they become a quality member?

In my clan what we do is that we don't really care if they warred or not before, we will accept them like the others. We will of course be working more time on them training them and teaching them everything they should know about Clan Warring which is also contributing with the members in the Clan World

 

At what point do you give up on trying to teach new clanners and just let them fail/quit/get kicked?

To be honest i never really gave up in teaching someone. The fact that they get k0ed during wars or causing us to lose wars aren't reasons for him to get kicked. All we can do is keep trying until he eventually gets it and if he feels he is doing more harm to the clan than gain then its their problem if they want to leave or not but making the transition to the clan world is never easy.

 

Do you focus on improving the quality of your current member base to allow some leeway on newer clanners?

Will definitely work on both parts just that the most time spent will be on the new clanners but the current member base can always give some help and advices to new clanners so they can either slowly/quickly improve over time.

 

Overall one day you will see those trial members turn into full members and eventually stay loyal to you until the end thats when everything you have worked on will begin to give profit.

 

Also i wanted to address my friend in here ABKB:

The way you think about small clans can be positively true in many others points of view but sadly isn't mine. What i see in small clans is that they are pretty much the ones that take step by step the new clanners into the clan world. Maybe the small clans don't make an impact in the top 10s but they eventually affect the number of people in the clan world and i can assure you that theres probably an estimate amount of 10 or so members from my past and current clan that has gone from small clan into one of the top 10 clans. If the small clans combined all together in one that will cause more harm than benefit to the current clan world. The income of members won't be enough to overcome the outcome of members. In my point of view and comparing it with IRL it will be:

 

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With the clan world "Smaller" than before do you focus on quality recruits or teaching members how to become quality members? I'm not in charge of recruitment at Gladz, but I'd prefer to focus on quality members rather than teaching new members. What I found out from RSB recruitment is you may get a lot of members, they're generally more hassle than they're worth.

 

Is the quality most clans seek slowing down the growth of the clan world, or could it even be a contributing factor to less people clanning? (Keep in mind there are tons of other reasons to why you may think the clan world is smaller but we're talking quality/expectations of clans when it comes to recruiting) What has contributed to the lack of people is taking away the wilderness, clans always had high expectations of their members, there's just less members floating around now.

 

If your clan does take in new clanners what do you do to ensure that they become a quality member? All you can do is teach them how to clan, how to war, how to pk, the rest is up to them.

 

At what point do you give up on trying to teach new clanners and just let them fail/quit/get kicked? I wouldn't say there is a point where that happens, some are good enough, some aren't, a good enough FA process will weed out those who aren't good enough.

 

Do you focus on improving the quality of your current member base to allow some leeway on newer clanners? You always focus on improving your current memberbase, no clan is perfect, you do whatever you can to improve.


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If your clan does take in new clanners what do you do to ensure that they become a quality member?

We have mentors to take care of them

 

At what point do you give up on trying to teach new clanners and just let them fail/quit/get kicked?

If they don't enjoy the community or put forth a certain about of effort they are removed from the clan

 

Do you focus on improving the quality of your current member base to allow some leeway on newer clanners?

No, that would be making exceptions. Therefore that is a form of biasness.

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Hmm, currently I am not running a clan of my own. But, if I were, I would answer the questions as if I was.. If that makes sense.

 

 

With the clan world "Smaller" than before do you focus on quality recruits or teaching members how to become quality members?

 

Teaching members on how to become quality members for sure. An old leader of mine who I respected once said "Quality > Quantity."

 

Is the quality most clans seek slowing down the growth of the clan world, or could it even be a contributing factor to less people clanning? (Keep in mind there are tons of other reasons to why you may think the clan world is smaller but we're talking quality/expectations of clans when it comes to recruiting)

 

Hmm, Hard question for sure. I guess I would have to say the first one. Ever since Jagex supported clans, the rise of RSB clans have been from minimal to maximal, and the clans like us are indeed slowing down.

 

If your clan does take in new clanners what do you do to ensure that they become a quality member?

 

Teaching them Clan Wars and PvP Wars tactics for certain as for #1. If it were my clan, I'd hate losing to other clans, so to prevent that I would engage teaching my new clanners to become what it takes to be somewhat of experience.

 

At what point do you give up on trying to teach new clanners and just let them fail/quit/get kicked?

 

Never. Hopefully if I was to ever make a clan, my top rule would to be "Never Give Up." Who knows, maybe it could be my teaching that could give the man/woman an RS future of being a top clanner.

 

Do you focus on improving the quality of your current member base to allow some leeway on newer clanners?

 

Members first before anything, because if my members do not know how will my newer clanners know, too?


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