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Edited to reflect my way of playing the game.

Efficiency is the lastest buzzword to use when you need to tell people what you enjoy about this game.
People on this site use it to represent methods that yield desired results, within certain price ranges.
Efficiency in RS quite often is used to mean doing something in the way that yields the fastest desired results, with the money you are willing to pay.
This works well because making gp is relatively easy, and can be gained most readily doing the things that most people view as fun and enjoyable. (such as Boss Hunting and merchanting)

Of course efficiency is also the latest put down in a long line of noob, choob, nolifer...etc. Good thing we don't bother to listen when someone calls us names, after all, what a waste of time.
Somebody moves too slow for you in your dungeon... scream "leecher".
Somebody has better stats than you... cry out "nothing I say matters, they don't listen to flaming spammers anyway"

I am RS efficient.
Contrary to what inefficient people think, I do find it more fun.
I play nonprofit minigames.
I don't go out of my way to make gp, so I save gp when possible.
I merchant in the GE on occaision.
You don't need to be efficient to be successful in this game, it just takes longer.
Now watch the inefficienct trolls line up quoting my post.
Its always the same clowns too... :shame:



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I always try to do things in the most efficient way is possible. It's important for me to do things the best way so I can maximize on XP or profit.
  

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Edited to reflect my way of playing the game.

Efficiency is the lastest buzzword to use when you need to tell people what you enjoy about this game.
People on this site use it to represent methods that yield desired results, within certain price ranges.
Efficiency in RS quite often is used to mean doing something in the way that yields the fastest desired results, with the money you are willing to pay.
This works well because making gp is relatively easy, and can be gained most readily doing the things that most people view as fun and enjoyable. (such as Boss Hunting and merchanting)

Of course efficiency is also the latest put down in a long line of noob, choob, nolifer...etc. Good thing we don't bother to listen when someone calls us names, after all, what a waste of time.
Somebody moves too slow for you in your dungeon... scream "leecher".
Somebody has better stats than you... cry out "nothing I say matters, they don't listen to flaming spammers anyway"

I am RS efficient.
Contrary to what inefficient people think, I do find it more fun.
I play nonprofit minigames.
I don't go out of my way to make gp, so I save gp when possible.
I merchant in the GE on occaision.
You don't need to be efficient to be successful in this game, it just takes longer.
Now watch the inefficienct trolls line up quoting my post.
Its always the same clowns too... :shame:



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Your welcome clown #1. :thumbup:

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Efficiency is a subjective word.
Efficiency helps you figure out how to get what you want.
what you want, is subjective, thus efficiency is subjective.

Obviously you want to have fun.
So if you define efficiency solely to be the best way to gain the best ratio of gp/xp for your time then you're a moron.

the only reason fun isn't factored into efficiency calculations, is because it's subjective.
Making a spreadsheet assuming that someone has X amount of fun training Y skill is stupid.
It's like assuming that your target audience likes eating 5 apples equally as much as 3 strawberries.
it's stupid, and doesn't get you any meaningful results.

We just choose to ignore it because factoring fun into equations is impossible to do.

If you're not having fun training "efficiently". You're doing it wrong
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Edited to reflect my way of playing the game.

Efficiency is the lastest buzzword to use when you need to tell people what you enjoy about this game.
People on this site use it to represent methods that yield desired results, within certain price ranges.
Efficiency in RS quite often is used to mean doing something in the way that yields the fastest desired results, with the money you are willing to pay.
This works well because making gp is relatively easy, and can be gained most readily doing the things that most people view as fun and enjoyable. (such as Boss Hunting and merchanting)

Of course efficiency is also the latest put down in a long line of noob, choob, nolifer...etc. Good thing we don't bother to listen when someone calls us names, after all, what a waste of time.
Somebody moves too slow for you in your dungeon... scream "leecher".
Somebody has better stats than you... cry out "nothing I say matters, they don't listen to flaming spammers anyway"

I am RS efficient.
Contrary to what inefficient people think, I do find it more fun.
I play nonprofit minigames.
I don't go out of my way to make gp, so I save gp when possible.
I merchant in the GE on occaision.
You don't need to be efficient to be successful in this game, it just takes longer.
Now watch the inefficienct trolls line up quoting my post.
Its always the same clowns too... :shame:



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Your welcome clown #1. :thumbup:

Tbh, thats almost exactly why I posted this. And as such, I believe you get to be clown #1 for me. :P oh the good times.

I agree with Grimy

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I like efficiency. I do as much as I can to kill things faster, to obtain resources faster etc. What I don't like, however, is when people tell me what I should and shouldn't be wearing or using. Example: I go to abyssal demons with fighter torso, dragon legs, glory, neitiznot helm, rune defender, whip, dragon boots, zerker ring (i) and slayer cape. I'm immediately shouted with 'lmao what's with the welfare gear'.

Sorry but I don't need to waste 22M+ on a bandos chestpiece when I already have the +4 strength I need from my fighter torso - which, by the way, costs nada, zip, zero, zilch. Also bandos chest may have great ranged defence, but that's only going to help me with dagannoth tasks, as I hardly ever kill ranged based monsters.

I guess what I'm saying is, everyone wears what they want, for their own reasons.

Also for me, efficiency usually changes when I get a skill to 99. For example, up to 99 woodcutting, I was cutting Ivy. When I got 99, since it was now at its peak level, I would rather chop magic trees because I can cut them at the highest level. I no longer need the 'best' experience for that skill, and in turn becomes another money maker.

I would do the same for other skills like fishing for example. Fish in shilo till 99, then fish rocktail or shark (depending on what I feel like) from then onwards. XP to most of my skills becomes meaningless after level 99. There are some skills I would like to get more XP in however, and they would probably be 200M attack XP, 50M hitpoints XP, and 50M slayer XP.

I think efficiency and fun is the secret. Errr and perhaps money? You can never have enough money :lol:
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Obviously you want to have fun.
So if you define efficiency solely to be the best way to gain the best ratio of gp/xp for your time then you're a moron.


Hello clown #2, short time no argue over semantics eh?

MSN Encarta dictionary for you.
ef·fi·cien·cy [ i físh'nsee ] (plural ef·fi·cien·cies)
noun

Definition:

1. competence: the ability to do something well or achieve a desired result without wasted energy or effort.
2. productive use of resources: the degree to which something is done well or without wasted energy
3. measure of machine's energy effectiveness: the ratio of the amount of energy used by a machine to the amount of work done by it. For example, the measurement of the amount of heat produced per unit of fuel when all of a fuel has been burned is a measure of a heating unit's efficiency.

I assume most people on this site who claim to be efficiency experts use "efficiency" in a manner consistent with definition #1. Yet, they almost always forget the bolded part at the end.
Of course they never understand a few other things too.

Here I will list them.
"making gp" and "wasted energy" are not mutually exclusive.
"making gp" and "effort" are not mutually exclusive.
In fact, "making gp" and "fun" are not even mutually inclusive.
Furthermore, for total heresy in the eyes of my friends (the efficiency trolls here) one might consider that going out of ones way to generate gp to increase xp rates by some percentage (often small) might be considered "OMFG WASTED ENERGY". :shame:

Truely unbelievable and moronic I know...
I mean everybody loves merchanting and farming and camping for days at the same monster, and killing the big monsters in groups while hoping not to share too much of the loot.
Nobody likes to go places where you don't profit or get BIG XP.
You know the abandoned places like stealing creation, fight pits, or even castle wars.
Instead, everybody should camp at the frost dragons or go afk with the bots at soul wars until they can camp efficiently at frost dragons because its all about the efficiency. :idea:
A good player isn't somebody who accomplished their goals.
A good player is somebody with unlimited GP, because only somebody with unlimited gp can gain xp at the fastest rates humanly possible.
To do less or consider gp/xp would be uncivilized. :rolleyes:

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People will understand efficiency when they get maxed melee's and 2200+ total. Once you hit a certain point efficiency really helps with getting levels done and such. I find it fun to get the best xp doing skills but thats just my style of play.

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Obviously you want to have fun.
So if you define efficiency solely to be the best way to gain the best ratio of gp/xp for your time then you're a moron.


Hello clown #2, short time no argue over semantics eh?

MSN Encarta dictionary for you.
ef·fi·cien·cy [ i físh'nsee ] (plural ef·fi·cien·cies)
noun

Definition:

1. competence: the ability to do something well or achieve a desired result without wasted energy or effort.

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You use 'additional' energy to save time, thus saving more energy in the long run, as you achieve all your goals faster.

This can go on forever.

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I have no problem with players being efficient, I have problems with those efficiency players pushing THEIR requirements onto other players. If I want to take my time Dungeoneering, and don't think that the Shadow Silk Hood is God's gift to Dungeoneering, doesn't make me bad at dung at all. I'd rather just ENJOY it.

Sometimes I do enjoy being efficient - but I always strive for a balance.

Fine, as long as you aren't on MY team. I'll kick you if you are.

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You are trying to shove your inefficient way of playing down other peoples throats. You are a hypocrite.

OR

You are agreeing with myself and grimy, while calling us names for holding the same beliefs as you. It could go either way. Although I'm not exactly sure what it is you have against people who do things efficiently. Not that I really care either.

Either way, you delight in stereotyping, but do not seem to realize that you yourself fall squarely into one. But that's okay, I didn't really expect you to.

Your replies will be my amusement for the next 2 hours or so, as I finish up my Digital Logic Design lab report, so please make them good ones.


(Gasp!!! I forgot to include a plethora of sarcastic smilies!! Lemme just stick them on the end here and hope no one notices. :thumbup: :rolleyes: :roll: :wall: :pray: =D> :shame: :boohoo: :ohnoes: )

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People enjoy the game differently. Some people like to be the most efficient because it makes them feel superior to other players. Whether or not that's bad is up to your judgment.
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I do w/e is fun. I know that alching while wcing while fletching is efficient, but it's not fun so I don't do it. I like rushing dungeoneering and potting up and turmoiling everything because I hit higher and it is more satisfying striving to max out exp rates.
 

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Efficiency is the lastest buzzword to use when you need to feel good about yourself and where you are in the game.
People on this site use it freely and without any basis to efficiency in the real world.
Efficiency in RS quite offen is used to mean using the most expensive means available to accomplish something.
This is quite dubious because making gp takes time and effort and can be gained most readily doing the things that most people view as not fun or useful. (of course aside for illicit methods)

Of course efficiency is also the latest put down in a long line of noob, choob, nolifer...etc.
Somebody moves too slow for you in your dungeon... scream "l2be efficient".
Somebody has better stats than you... cry out "But your inefficient, learn to RS"

I am not RS efficient.
Nor would I want to be.
I play nonprofit minigames.
I don't go out of my way to make gp, so I save gp when possible.
I don't "invest" in the GE.
You don't need to be efficient to be successful in this game.
Now watch the efficiency trolls line up quoting my post.
Its always the same clowns too... :shame:


I've been waiting for this topic and waiting to say almost this exact thing. You sir are my BFF now <3 bolded my main view and reason I don't refer anyone to ask for advice on TIF and just to find their favorite way to do it. Fun > efficiency cause lets face it, if we do everything efficiently to max out, wouldn't it be more of a chore to play than to play for fun?
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I've been waiting for this topic and waiting to say almost this exact thing. You sir are my BFF now <3 bolded my main view and reason I don't refer anyone to ask for advice on TIF and just to find their favorite way to do it. Fun > efficiency cause lets face it, if we do everything efficiently to max out, wouldn't it be more of a chore to play than to play for fun?


Usually when people ask for Help and Advice, they're looking for the efficient way of doing it, you shouldn't need to ask for help on something fun #-o

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I enjoy knowing that I'm doing something the most efficient way when I'm going for a goal. If I enjoy it, then there's no reason for me not to do it!

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i just don't understand is why people have to say that being efficient or not is good or not.

you just have to see that everyone can do anything that he wants, thats why we play this game, some choose to level in certain way, others choose a different way.

its not you that will say to me that i play wrong, im the only one that can say that!!!

yes, you can say that perhaps im doing slower and show me why, as i can say that to you..

i like doing most things the most efficient way, but my efficient way doesnt need to be the best of all, i have to adjust to my way of play.

i hate doing rc by zmi, so i choose to do through abyss or grhaak, depending on my mood, as i hate to use cannon, but i still use piety (still aiming for 95 prayer) and other stuff, why?
BECAUSE I LIKE!!!

i like being efficient, and love to see threads about that, but not every stile goes my way, so i adapt the way it fits me the most.
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not being efficient is to waste time
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I killed black dragons from 89 - 99 range way back in 2004. Take that efficiency.




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