Springyguy Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 I'm a noob, i have 4 mill and am wondering if the 800k for the warrior ring is worth it as im going to be doing some slayer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 No. Berserker is a good ring for melee, Warrior isn't Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hegelstad Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Warrior is better than anything, but if its worth it is another case. My lame drops:6 Effigys1 D Med - 1 D Dagger1 Verac's Helmet - 1 Guthan's Platebody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Warrior is better than anything, but if its worth it is another case. wtf? At a grand total of +4 slash attack and +4 slash defence the ring is hardly worth it at all in any circumstance.+ 4 strength from Berserker is pretty much always a better option. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gremmy Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Get 100 MA rank, and imbue a diamond ring, and you'll have a ring that's better then seer's, archers, and warrior's together. Dragon drops: 82 (2 claws)Dagannoth kings drops: 73Barrows item count: 51GWD drops: 54 (5 hilts: 1x bandos, 3x saradomin, 1x zamorak)Whips: 4Sigils: 1x spectral (FFA), 1x arcane (FFA) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basmans Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 On topic of warrior or zerker, queltar made a report and found out that warrior ring seemed to be better. OT: With a low income warrior ring wouldn't be worth it imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Squab Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Warrior is better than anything, but if its worth it is another case. wtf? At a grand total of +4 slash attack and +4 slash defence the ring is hardly worth it at all in any circumstance.+ 4 strength from Berserker is pretty much always a better option. Honestly, 4m for +4 str does not seem worth it to me. Not to mention the person who mentioned Q's post about the warrior ring being better. Frankly, I can't see either of these rings doing much - the MA rings are the first rings I've thought would actually make a difference in combat. I usually stick to things like the Ring of Life or Slayer Ring. (At least until I get around to ranking MA and getting one of those rings.) Squab unleashes Megiddo! Completed all quests and hard diaries. 75+ Skiller. (At one point.) 2000+ total. 99 Magic.[spoiler=The rest of my sig. You know you wanna see it.]my difinition of noob is i dont like u, either u are better then me or u are worst them meBuying spins make you a bad person...don't do it. It's like buying nukes for North Korea.Well if it bothers you that the game is more fun now, then you can go cry in a corner. :shame:your article was the equivalent of a circumcized porcupineThe only thing wrong with it is the lack of a percentage for when you need to stroke it. Poignant Purple to Lokie's Ravishing Red and Alg's Brilliant Blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy_Bunyip Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 In dice roll DPS situations, DPS is calculated by the equation when accuracy falls below 50% (Average Damage per hit)*(Maximum Accuracy Roll - Resolution)/(Maximum Defense Roll)resolution is defined to be a small number, so it can be ignored. a 5% increase in accuracy could be slightly more than a 5% increase in average damage per hit IF resolution is nontrivial (which is only true if you're a noob)If you assume otherwise, then a 5% increase in accuracy will never be more valuable than a 5% increase in damage. the only other time a warrior ring would be useful, would be like if you had +0 attack bonusand +100 strength bonus in such a case +4 strength bonus on a berserker ring might translate ROUGHLY to a 2-3% increase in damage?where as 0 to 4 attack bonus would translate to much more than a 2-3% increase in maximum accuracy roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Squab Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 http://runescoop.com/html/rs_TheRuneScoopLaboratoryReport1.htm I trust Qeltars experiment more then your math - in any case, both of the rings offer such small bonuses that they aren't worth it, imo. Especially 4m for the berserker. (I can think of better things to spend 4m on.) But forget Warrior vs Berserker - I think both of us can agree with Gremmy. Get 100 MA rank and a diamond ring. Squab unleashes Megiddo! Completed all quests and hard diaries. 75+ Skiller. (At one point.) 2000+ total. 99 Magic.[spoiler=The rest of my sig. You know you wanna see it.]my difinition of noob is i dont like u, either u are better then me or u are worst them meBuying spins make you a bad person...don't do it. It's like buying nukes for North Korea.Well if it bothers you that the game is more fun now, then you can go cry in a corner. :shame:your article was the equivalent of a circumcized porcupineThe only thing wrong with it is the lack of a percentage for when you need to stroke it. Poignant Purple to Lokie's Ravishing Red and Alg's Brilliant Blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlowinRedM Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 http://runescoop.com/html/rs_TheRuneScoopLaboratoryReport1.htm I trust Qeltars experiment more then your math - in any case, both of the rings offer such small bonuses that they aren't worth it, imo. Especially 4m for the berserker. (I can think of better things to spend 4m on.) But forget Warrior vs Berserker - I think both of us can agree with Gremmy. Get 100 MA rank and a diamond ring. I agree with this. Theoretical math (as you don't know Jag's formulas for sure but have rough estimates) can never outdo an experiment The corp beast, is, well, just a corp beast. He doesnt even have any friends.[spoiler=Other Quotes]tbh idk why this makes me laugh so hardAll DFS threads turn into efficiency flame wars >.>>OP asks "why use DFS?">everyone says "there is no reason">someone says "stop bashing people who use DFS, efficiency troll ass clown">thread is now a flame fest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy_Bunyip Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 http://runescoop.com/html/rs_TheRuneScoopLaboratoryReport1.htm I trust Qeltars experiment more then your math - in any case, both of the rings offer such small bonuses that they aren't worth it, imo. Especially 4m for the berserker. (I can think of better things to spend 4m on.) But forget Warrior vs Berserker - I think both of us can agree with Gremmy. Get 100 MA rank and a diamond ring. I agree with this. Theoretical math (as you don't know Jag's formulas for sure but have rough estimates) can never outdo an experimentexperiments are good, but you have to realize his experiment was done with a stopwatch, which he started and stopped for EVERY kill.you must realize how huge the potential for error is with an experiment like that.his experiment said that the warrior ring was better than the berserker ring at living rocks, which have no defense.Would you actually wear a warrior ring over a berserker ring at living rocks just because qeltar collected saying so?His data is far too inaccurate to make any sound conclusions. you should also consider the nature of the math before you jump to conclusions.we KNOW runescape runs on a dice roll system, that's not actually up for question since it's been referred to by jagex. thus we also KNOW that in a dice roll system, a 5% increase in average damage is the close to the same thing as a 5% increase in maximum accuracy roll. The question is whether or not a +4 attack bonus and a +4 strength bonus both give equal percentage increases to average damage and maximum accuracy roll.Assuming your stats and equipment bonuses are balanced, there's no reason to think otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Qeltar's tests are not accurate at all; in his latest test he fights black dragons for 20-30 mins and extrapolates that to kills/hr with a decimal. Also he kills 3.5 dragons (that's like 8%) less with a berserker ring, comparing to no ring. It seems that a margin of 5-10% difference is at least chance, and the difference of what ring you wear is much smaller than that. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miracleman58 Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 The only think worth noting for Qeltars experiment was that Giant rock crabs are 60k xp/h in melee. Cool. 1593th to 99 Farming - July 08. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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