Satenza Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 He won! After a tight race with his brother David, Ed managed to come out on top. In my opinion he was probably the best of a bad bunch, but he is a terrible speaker and has little charisma. At least we hopefully will not see the continuation of New Labour like we would have had under David Miliband. So for that I am quite happy! With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racheya Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Now that this is over, I hope that Labour can get back on track and start the long task of taking back the country from the Tories :thumbup: I edit for the [Tip.It Times]. I rarely write in [My Blog]. I am an [Ex-Moderator]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkSide Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Now that this is over, I hope that Labour can get back on track and start the long task of taking back the country from the Tories :thumbup: Strongly agree. Hopefully. :thumbup: Sculpted from birth, you try to fit in. Wishing you were this, wanting to be that... changing everything you really are. Meanwhile, you're so lost in others, you have vanished from the earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted September 25, 2010 Author Share Posted September 25, 2010 Indeed. When the austerity measures are implemented by the Coalition the country will be banging on Downing Streets doors. The Liberals will be out of power for decades once more and Labour will push to the left hopefully. With that push those union members on the streets and all the people out of work will hopefully see Labour as the party it once was, a step removed from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the assaults it conducted on Civil Liberties. Ed Miliband is perhaps not the greatest candidate in terms of charisma, but hopefully he will be strong enough to kick aside all the New Labour politicians. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jernlov Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Very good. Steam | Soup | Last.fm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assume Nothing Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Because the Labour party has been so good for the UK for the past 15 years.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate_Felix Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Make an UK politics thread because i understand no [cabbage] of all this. And frankly dont care about all the threads either D: [hide]Felix, je moeder.Je moeder felixJe vader, felix.Felix, je oma.Felix, je ongelofelijk gave pwnaze avatar B)Felix, je moeder.[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racheya Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Make an UK politics thread because i understand no [cabbage] of all this. And frankly dont care about all the threads either D:I fail to see what you mean? There's only ONE thread about UK politics right now. And if you don't care, or want to understand, then don't come in. I edit for the [Tip.It Times]. I rarely write in [My Blog]. I am an [Ex-Moderator]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate_Felix Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Sorry if i offended you but i was serious. [hide]Felix, je moeder.Je moeder felixJe vader, felix.Felix, je oma.Felix, je ongelofelijk gave pwnaze avatar B)Felix, je moeder.[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jernlov Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Because the Labour party has been so good for the UK for the past 15 years..I don't think we're doing that badly buddy. Steam | Soup | Last.fm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assume Nothing Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Because the Labour party has been so good for the UK for the past 15 years..I don't think we're doing that badly buddy.Say that to our figure of national debt + deficit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racheya Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Because the Labour party has been so good for the UK for the past 15 years..I don't think we're doing that badly buddy.Say that to our figure of national debt + deficitThe situation is a GLOBAL crisis, you can't attribute everything to our Government. The entire world messed up. I edit for the [Tip.It Times]. I rarely write in [My Blog]. I am an [Ex-Moderator]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surprise Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Because the Labour party has been so good for the UK for the past 15 years..I don't think we're doing that badly buddy.Say that to our figure of national debt + deficitThe situation is a GLOBAL crisis, you can't attribute everything to our Government. The entire world messed up. So you're saying that the gross misspending by the government on stupid projects and spending way outside our means of paying off was the world's fault? No it was Labour's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racheya Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 So you're saying that the gross misspending by the government on stupid projects and spending way outside our means of paying off was the world's fault? No it was Labour's fault.'Stupid projects' is subjective. And not ALL our debt came from that, the failure and subsequent bailout of the banks was a global problem. I edit for the [Tip.It Times]. I rarely write in [My Blog]. I am an [Ex-Moderator]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 The situation is a GLOBAL crisis, you can't attribute everything to our Government. The entire world messed up. Yeah, but you can attribute the National Debt to the government, they spent it. And I'm ignoring the bank bailouts with that (since they'll probably be repaid), it's the massive spending on public services which is worse. I'm very surprised Labour elected a man who won't be elected Prime Minister but maybe they want to go back to being the party for the trade unions. Either way I hope he does well, but David would have seemed the much more natural choice to me. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racheya Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 The situation is a GLOBAL crisis, you can't attribute everything to our Government. The entire world messed up. Yeah, but you can attribute the National Debt to the government, they spent it. And I'm ignoring the bank bailouts with that (since they'll probably be repaid), it's the massive spending on public services which is worse. I'm very surprised Labour elected a man who won't be elected Prime Minister but maybe they want to go back to being the party for the trade unions. Either way I hope he does well, but David would have seemed the much more natural choice to me.You're right that they did waste money, but every Government does. And I think they want to get off the New Labour trip and take it back to their more fundamental principles because a lot of traditionally Labour supporters just see New Labour as a synonym for Conservative. I edit for the [Tip.It Times]. I rarely write in [My Blog]. I am an [Ex-Moderator]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surprise Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Labour spend the money and make us go into debt -> conservatives sort out the mess and get a horrid reputation from the people in return. The vicious cycle which is UK politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iconic Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Pirate, why don't you make an American politics thread? Or do you feel America is more important than England.I know its probably a little hard to believe but we are just as equal as you. Gordon Brown was a good politican, he knew what he was going and he was a heavyweight. Newspapers and chat shows started causing him trouble by claiming that he started the world financial crisis.Four years till Labours back, hopefully the conservatives won't have abolished voting by then. [hide][/hide] THOUGHT POLICE EDIT, ICONIC YOU HAVE BEEN LOGGED. Iconic is a terrorist, he has caused many problems for us and killed many people before.Conseratives are good, they are the rightful leaders of Britain! ALL HAIL THE CONSERVATIVES, remember Conservative good, Labour bad!David Cameron is our leaderOur king on high!He helped us in the great warsAnd made those Germans die! We all must worship CameronOr we will all die.Or we will all die [hold] Our lord on high answers to himOur queen, our king and ministersHe cares for us, noble BritsOur hearts are brave and nobleOh Cameron, forgive usYou are our lordWe thank you for your sacrifice to usto let those Germans die Chorus [Falador tavern] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted September 25, 2010 Author Share Posted September 25, 2010 Labour spend the money and make us go into debt -> conservatives sort out the mess and get a horrid reputation from the people in return. The vicious cycle which is UK politics. Except the problem with this is that the British Labour Party were at the forefront of the solution to the Global Recession. All the actions to combat it taken by Brown in the end turned out to be correct because the UK economy saw steady growth. Now with the Coalition's austerity measures most economists are talking about the dangers of slowing down. I agree that public services should be evaluated and cut according to necessity, but that economic investment is the best path to recovery. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millard Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Good, good. Ensured that Labour won't be elected in the next decade, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racheya Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 Good, good. Ensured that Labour won't be elected in the next decade, at least.Well we know that Lib Dems won't get another chance for a shot at the seat, that's for sure. Not with Nick 'The traitor' Clegg. And the Conservatives will be blamed for a lot of crap for the next 4 years. Job cuts, higher taxes... I don't think the country is going to be a fan of them. Tbh, I found that people didn't *want* Conservatives, they just *didn't* want Brown. And, with Brown gone, and a shiny new leader - Labour have a chance. I edit for the [Tip.It Times]. I rarely write in [My Blog]. I am an [Ex-Moderator]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiny Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 Liberal Democrats > Conservative Party > Labour Party. In my honest opinion, fundamentally I would rather Labour than Tories but I think the Labour party's view on identity cards and holding DNA is curbing of civil rights. I like the fact that the Tories are more socially liberal than Labour, but I dislike right-wing economics. And therein, I find the Lib Dems have the perfect ground. And the British National Party just scares me. In light of other peoples posts - Wasn't the United Kingdom in huge debt partly because of the past Labour Government anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 Except the problem with this is that the British Labour Party were at the forefront of the solution to the Global Recession. All the actions to combat it taken by Brown in the end turned out to be correct because the UK economy saw steady growth. Now with the Coalition's austerity measures most economists are talking about the dangers of slowing down. I agree that public services should be evaluated and cut according to necessity, but that economic investment is the best path to recovery. Brown's recovery package was a brave piece of politics which in my opinion was entirely the right thing to do. But to say that his economic policies caused the recovery or saved us from the recession is (I think) giving them a bit too much credit. Initial stimulus, yes, but Labour's proposal to continue massive investment in public services and the economy completely ignored the deficit problem, which in the long run is a lot more serious problem than this recession if left unchecked. That's why the Tories are cutting so much, it's not for the sake of it (although a bit of fiscal prudence makes a nice change from "throw money at it and hope" Brown), it's to get a hold on the deficit. And I think it's unfair the way a lot of Lib Dem supporters are labelling Nick Clegg a traitor. It's one thing to be a minority party of perfect principle but to actually take the opportunity for power and the ability to govern is something entirely different which he should be applauded for. He's trying to make changes that he thinks are right, and is in a better position to do so than any Lib Dem for many years. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted September 26, 2010 Author Share Posted September 26, 2010 Except the problem with this is that the British Labour Party were at the forefront of the solution to the Global Recession. All the actions to combat it taken by Brown in the end turned out to be correct because the UK economy saw steady growth. Now with the Coalition's austerity measures most economists are talking about the dangers of slowing down. I agree that public services should be evaluated and cut according to necessity, but that economic investment is the best path to recovery. Brown's recovery package was a brave piece of politics which in my opinion was entirely the right thing to do. But to say that his economic policies caused the recovery or saved us from the recession is (I think) giving them a bit too much credit. Initial stimulus, yes, but Labour's proposal to continue massive investment in public services and the economy completely ignored the deficit problem, which in the long run is a lot more serious problem than this recession if left unchecked. That's why the Tories are cutting so much, it's not for the sake of it (although a bit of fiscal prudence makes a nice change from "throw money at it and hope" Brown), it's to get a hold on the deficit. I agree with you here, almost entirely. I think cuts should be made where necessary but should go hand in hand with further investment where necessary. For that reason I can acknowledge that cuts made by the Conservatives are to an extent the right policy to pursue as long as they are directed at services that are in some sense expendable. There are a number of issues, firstly the areas that are being cut, secondly the investment that will be made in the economy and thirdly the fairness of the cuts on the working classes. And I think it's unfair the way a lot of Lib Dem supporters are labelling Nick Clegg a traitor. It's one thing to be a minority party of perfect principle but to actually take the opportunity for power and the ability to govern is something entirely different which he should be applauded for. He's trying to make changes that he thinks are right, and is in a better position to do so than any Lib Dem for many years. The problem is that as a party they have to respect that fact that they were nominated on a certain platform. If you saw Question Time recently with Vince Cable, it became quite obvious that he had flipped on many of the key principles that he stood for, wrote about and campaigned for on the hustings. We may admire Clegg's willingness to take the bull by its horns and lead his party into a coalition where he may have the ability to soften the Conservatives' policies, but in and of itself his position isn't one that most liberal people who gave him their vote wanted. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 I agree with you here, almost entirely. I think cuts should be made where necessary but should go hand in hand with further investment where necessary. For that reason I can acknowledge that cuts made by the Conservatives are to an extent the right policy to pursue as long as they are directed at services that are in some sense expendable. There are a number of issues, firstly the areas that are being cut, secondly the investment that will be made in the economy and thirdly the fairness of the cuts on the working classes. Yes, that's true. I suppose it's largely a matter of opinion at this stage because the full effect of the cuts will not take hold for a little bit yet. We'll have to see how they're carried through. The problem is that as a party they have to respect that fact that they were nominated on a certain platform. If you saw Question Time recently with Vince Cable, it became quite obvious that he had flipped on many of the key principles that he stood for, wrote about and campaigned for on the hustings. We may admire Clegg's willingness to take the bull by its horns and lead his party into a coalition where he may have the ability to soften the Conservatives' policies, but in and of itself his position isn't one that most liberal people who gave him their vote wanted. I'm very much in favour of holding politicians to their campaign promises, but you have to admit that the Lib Dems are in a fairly unique position of being in power, but not really. I do agree that Vince Cable should be criticised if he has flipped his positions based on what he was campaigning on, unless he's genuinely changed his mind, perhaps in light of new evidence, which I don't think is unreasonable to do. But I think the venom that a lot of people seemed to express towards Nick Clegg purely for dealing with the Conservatives in principle is a little reactionary and very naive. Although I don't think that's a view that you seem to hold. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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