Assume Nothing Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 The most recent Abortion topic I found was at least 5 months old, so I'm making a new thread on this. To start off, I'm nor Pro-Life or Pro-Choice, as I'm undecided on what my views on Abortion should be. Abortion is such a big subject. Firstly, I'll point out that there's some very extremist anti-abortion activists that do some very stupid things. It's absolutely illogical to try and justify the murder of doctors because they're perceived as 'the killers of the unborn'. Some issues to address: Some questionsIf you are Pro-Life, would rape/incest count as a exception? If not, why?Does an unborn fetus have a right to life?Under what circumstances would it be okay to abort, and where do you draw the line? Oh, one last thing, don't get too worked up during the debate, I know this is a fragile topic, please keep this appropriate. Discuss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zygimantas Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Abortion is ok if the person who does it thinks it is the right thing to do and isn't morally against it. Personally, if I got somebody pregnant, it would depend on the situation on what I think she should do. Abortion would not be something that I would completely rule out. 99 Hunter - November 1st, 200899 Cooking -July 22nd, 200999 Firemaking - July 29th, 201099 Fletching - December 30th, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkSide Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Noooo! Not another abortion thread! There are so many of these on so many forums... I agree it's a big (and obviously very controversial) subject, but the fact is: it doesn't matter that much. It's all morals, which are man-made. It's all up to the person, it should be allowed everywhere, because everyone should be allowed to make their own decisions. People who get angry because someone ELSE had an abortion are stupid. It's not their baby. You could say the fetus should also have freedom, but no, it shouldn't. It hasn't learned anything yet. Since morals are man-made, the fetus does not deserve it's own ''decision''. Sculpted from birth, you try to fit in. Wishing you were this, wanting to be that... changing everything you really are. Meanwhile, you're so lost in others, you have vanished from the earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_love_burritos Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 [bleep]ing again ? Seems to me that there's one every week hidden in a thread regardless whether or not the topic title suggests. Last one I remember was this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undo Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 I think it's wrong to deny anyone a life whether the child was intentional or not.If you don't want it, someone else will. There's no reason to kill it to prevent the pain. 1. "My ear's in a cup, I guess that doesn't count..."2. "So heyyy, that's a pretty reasonable reaction huh?"3. "So you up for NAFTA?"4. "That went exactly how I wanted it to." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assume Nothing Posted September 25, 2010 Author Share Posted September 25, 2010 I think it's wrong to deny anyone a life whether the child was intentional or not.If you don't want it, someone else will. There's no reason to kill it to prevent the pain. What about a girl getting raped? Or that carrying the term will cause detrimental health effects to the mother? There are so many scenarios where an abortion may actually be necessary... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzle229 Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 The fetus is not aware of what's happening. The mother is. It's the mother's decision. Get back here so I can rub your butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iconic Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 It should be legal if the baby has or will cause: maternal life, health, mental health, rape, and/or fetal defectsIf the mum does not want it there is a thing called adoption. [Falador tavern] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 The mother's call. If not for that end my opinions are probably closer to pro-life. Unborn have the right to life and all that blah blah blah you know that stuff already. But it's stupid for a bunch of males to make laws that force that issue. We don't have to deal with pregnancy at nearly the same level. I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hegelstad Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 I think all abortion is okay, the child has not made any significant feeling and love before been birth. My lame drops:6 Effigys1 D Med - 1 D Dagger1 Verac's Helmet - 1 Guthan's Platebody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 It should be legal if the baby has or will cause: maternal life, health, mental health, rape, and/or fetal defectsIf the mum does not want it there is a thing called adoption. Because adoption is such a perfect system and kids who are adopted always get put into loving families right away. I'm pro choice and that is all I'm really going to say on the matter. Debating about abortion is like pulling teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzle229 Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 If the mum does not want it there is a thing called adoption.Adoption is not some magical solution to this problem. It's a whole other issue on its own, and the mother still has to deal with the full pregnancy. Get back here so I can rub your butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skull Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 I'm personally against abortion, but I think that the parents should have a choice in the matter. So technically I am pro-choice, but honestly every time I've said that I've been attacked for it even though I disagree with it and if it were up to me I wouldn't want the abortion. There are situations where I believe it's acceptable however. [bleep] the law, they can eat my dick that's word to Pimp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaaveli Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Hate it when people do it, it's the same concept as murder. If you don't want to take care of the baby, someone else will. If it happened through rape or something, now you know life's a [bleep], deal with it. BlasphemyWe choose to go...not because [it is] easy, but because [it is] hard, because that goal will serve to measure and organize the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win. ~ Blasphemien Way "Rest In Peace, Muelmar - A True Modern Day Hero" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hegelstad Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Hate it when people do it, it's the same concept as murder. If you don't want to take care of the baby, someone else will. If it happened through rape or something, now you know life's a [bleep], deal with it. It's no worse than killing an animal. My lame drops:6 Effigys1 D Med - 1 D Dagger1 Verac's Helmet - 1 Guthan's Platebody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_love_burritos Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 If it happened through rape or something, now you know life's a [bleep], deal with it. Uhhhh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 I think everyone already knows my beliefs on the topic so I won't go into them; since this thread gets rehashed every few months... However, I don't see how someone who calls themselves pro-life can be supportive of abortion in the case of rape or incest. A life is a life, regardless of the circumstances surround its creation. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupin Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 I'm pro-choice. It's the environment that makes the person, and the actions that define him or her. There isn't really much more to be said here, as the question depends almost entirely on opinions and beliefs, and less on facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Hate it when people do it, it's the same concept as murder. If you don't want to take care of the baby, someone else will. If it happened through rape or something, now you know life's a [bleep], deal with it. Wow. "Got raped? Deal with it, life sucks." People like this make me speechless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assume Nothing Posted September 25, 2010 Author Share Posted September 25, 2010 Hate it when people do it, it's the same concept as murder. If you don't want to take care of the baby, someone else will. If it happened through rape or something, now you know life's a [bleep], deal with it. Wow. "Got raped? Deal with it, life sucks." People like this make me speechless. Or just abort the thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaaveli Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Hate it when people do it, it's the same concept as murder. If you don't want to take care of the baby, someone else will. If it happened through rape or something, now you know life's a [bleep], deal with it. Wow. "Got raped? Deal with it, life sucks." People like this make me speechless. I'm sorry if you didn't know that "life" for alot of people is actually struggle. Do they decide to give up on it and kill it? Do people that midway gain permanant disabilities decide to just commit suicide? No they don't, many realise how much harder someone else has it and learn to deal with it and continue living. You can't choose the cards you are dealt, but it's your job to make the best out of that hand. Imo no matter who you are, you don't have the right to judge whether someone else should live or die, even if it's your child. BlasphemyWe choose to go...not because [it is] easy, but because [it is] hard, because that goal will serve to measure and organize the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win. ~ Blasphemien Way "Rest In Peace, Muelmar - A True Modern Day Hero" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assume Nothing Posted September 25, 2010 Author Share Posted September 25, 2010 Hate it when people do it, it's the same concept as murder. If you don't want to take care of the baby, someone else will. If it happened through rape or something, now you know life's a [bleep], deal with it. Wow. "Got raped? Deal with it, life sucks." People like this make me speechless. I'm sorry if you didn't know that "life" for alot of people is actually struggle. Do they decide to give up on it and kill it? Do people that midway gain permanant disabilities decide to just commit suicide? No they don't, many realise how much harder someone else has it and learn to deal with it and continue living. You can't choose the cards you are dealt, but it's your job to make the best out of that hand. Imo no matter who you are, you don't have the right to judge whether someone else should live or die, even if it's your child. So you're implying that even if keeping the child would kill you, you would be morally obliged to keep the child? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Observer Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 It's the person's choice. If you're pro-life then go ahead, it's your choice, your child, why should you care about what other people choose? It's similar to religion, you shouldn't push it on other people. That's really the only thing that makes me angry about this debate. One choice being "morally wrong" is irrelevant. Morals are something that is to the eye of the beholder. It's biased if you will because it depends on a person's past experiences or thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 What I'm wondering about is what would be the best course of action if having a baby would kill the mother. Would you abort then or...? Of course it'd be the mother's decision, but still. Leaving a child to be orphaned, when there's enough as is... I was going to eat hot dogs for dinner tonight. I think I will settle for cereal. OPEN WIDE HERE COMES THE HELICOPTER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Obviously the mother's decision there. I don't think it's morally wrong to get an abortion in that case because there will be a death regardless of the action taken. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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