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Have you ever taken a joke too far in the pursuit of lulz? In a generation of increasingly stricter clans, that seems to be the main comeback: "it's just a game don't take it seriously." Sometimes it can pull clans out of slumps and into greatness. Most of the times, it damages the community in unforeseen ways. It can be the kick-start of a rivalry or a death toll for someone who bites off more than they can chew. It's what spices up communities and can make them dull and aggravating. So why does the stance on trolling sway back and forth? It's like honor clans and no honor clans, one needs the other to keep competition and excitement. But have we tipped into a dangerous imbalance? And are we failing in trying to correct it?

 

Many prominent men and women have lectured against it--better people than myself--but I know how the words fall on deaf ears, disbelieving or desensitized or otherwise. It has been the cause of closure in many clans recently, RJ being one of them. To use RJ as an example actually...they were a force to be reckoned with in numbers and organization. Rarely do clans these days get so large; although, I will grant, it had the initial draw of their DI roots. But still, they had outlasted the initial slumps that clans face after the glory wears off. No, their closure was not entirely glory seekers, but deeper internal issues. You might say, "This was inevitable." But if they fixed their issues and they rode out the storm, whose to say where they would've ended up at?

 

At the end of the day, we're all human, and there's only so much we can take. This small community is far more interconnected and personal that we dare to dream. It is not a faceless community of people like 4chan, where it is nigh impossible to take anything personally. Things rub against the grain when you know the other person, be they troll or friend. Words hurt. Things get too much to bear. Or if you're on the other end of the spectrum, they lighten your day and make you smile. Who knows.

 

But it is an issue, and it's not going away.

 

So what's the next step? Adaptation? Banning? How do you restore the balance?

 

For the lot of you who like those copypaste questionnaires:

 

[b]How do you feel trolling affects the clan world, both on a local (your clan) and global (clan community) scale?[/b]
[b]How do you feel about clans that flat out ban such behaviour? [/b]
[b]Do you feel like there is an imbalance in how trolling is accepted? If so, how do you restore the balance?[/b]

 

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How do you feel trolling affects the clan world, both on a local (your clan) and global (clan community) scale? Dosn't really effect us, it just gives us giggles. The clan world seems alot less appealing because of the idiot trolls so people decide to join it.

 

How do you feel about clans that flat out ban such behaviour? It shows they want a good image but in some cases it can show that they really do care about how other clan views them instead of having fun. Some clans like rsd/tt it shows they respect other clans.

 

The thing if eel is fiinding a good mixture of the 2. Like EOS/ROT don't care about what other people think and just play to have fun.

 

Do you feel like there is an imbalance in how trolling is accepted? If so, how do you restore the balance? Everyone now is trying to be an e-thug, trolliing can be good sometimes if you are clever about it although there will always be the idiots.

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How do you feel trolling affects the clan world, both on a local (your clan) and global (clan community) scale?

Locally, our trolls cause other trolls to post things against our wins to try and persuade the rest of the clan world we're bad. It's annoying but we usually get over it. Globally it doesn't do much lol. I guess if its done right it can destroy a clans rep, ultimately slowing the growth of clans or weakening their performance.

 

How do you feel about clans that flat out ban such behaviour?

LOL you actually think clans flat out ban such behavior? I suppose it depends on the severity of the trolls to whether you're getting kicked or not but for the most part people just warn them and then do some anti propaganda and say that their clan is perfect. Like oh we don't troll ever! jk every clan has trolls.

 

Do you feel like there is an imbalance in how trolling is accepted? If so, how do you restore the balance?

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Now trolling is kinda dumb, everyone tries to be one and think they are good at it lol. TBH most "trolls" are similar and aren't unique and it's more of a trend to post and respond the same way. Like the y u mad pics when some one responds ur like OMGOMGOMGOMG LOL I TROLL U (Refer to spoiler)

 

 

 

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Overall it's fun at times or funny to read, something different than hey lets hold hands and all get along, but it's become more of a trend just to jump on the banwagon and troll.

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How do you feel about clans that flat out ban such behaviour? It´s right to ban for such behaviour, because when i put that cape on my actions will reflect on my clan.

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How do you feel trolling affects the clan world, both on a local (your clan) and global (clan community) scale? Trolling puts you into beef. I have never seen trolling help a mid-sized clan and usually clans known for it get into so much beef over it that it hurts them in the long run. We have trolls in our clan but they usually do not post. I am even guilty of it at times but its usually not the simple "umadbro?" it tends to revolve around walls of text and logic.

How do you feel about clans that flat out ban such behaviour? Never banned someone from OUR clan over it unless it was simply to tell them to shut up. We dislike trolls in our irc and have even simply banned people on sight that are known for such things. They usually end up threatening crashing and stuff but very rarely do we see the action backed up.

Do you feel like there is an imbalance in how trolling is accepted? If so, how do you restore the balance? This is a weird question. I think people need to merely back up what they say. The only reason though that top clans can troll so much is because they have the big ml to help them along. Those same people could not lead a clan and do the same thing simply because it would cripple them. I think its the cowards way of trolling.

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There are three categories of players:

 

people who get caught up in this game and community they have created. Then there are those who cannot see for the life of them WHAT the other group are getting so FUSSY about. Then there're people like me who just sorta lurk and stand there and only get involved in 'trolling' because they like arguing ^_^

 

I don't really care about trolling, I don't walk away from my computer aggrivated about it, and neither should anyone else. If you can't handle someone else being a douchebag over the internet then I think you have problems and need to man up. The real world's got a lot more pressing issues than the internet ever will have.

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How do you feel trolling affects the clan world, both on a local (your clan) and global (clan community) scale?

Degrades the community both locally and globally. Have fun in game competing to see who on all technicalities is the better clan and enjoy the thrill of warring. If you need to get your kicks out of being immature and stupid on forums AFTER a war, it just shows your lack of capacity to show respect to other people.

 

How do you feel about clans that flat out ban such behaviour?

Personally, I respect them. CE takes this approach to this behavior and you can't exactly argue flat out that we haven't been generally successful by taking such an approach.

 

Do you feel like there is an imbalance in how trolling is accepted? If so, how do you restore the balance?

I does stem on how the players and members of clans see the game, whether they enjoy it enough to accept they don't need to flame/troll after a war or whether they actually still see more thrill in immaturity that enjoying a game while respecting others. Obviously, not every clan is going to ban trollers and flamers but it is down to clan leaderships, fansites and the members themselves to keep themselves in check.

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The trolling issue is an interesting one. On the one hand, it's undeniable that it causes drama. Because it causes drama, it has the tendency to make things more interesting than they would be otherwise; but only to a point.

I like Dandaman's post - many people just don't know how to troll anymore. The trolling posts on RSC basically amount to "lol u mad" which is neither funny nor clever.

 

Actually, I was playing Tf2 the other day and some guys got into a conversation about this same topic. There's no effort or intelligence in trolling anymore: this "new generation" which we've seen trolling over the past year or two basically just posts stuff like "u mad bro" and then considers themselves a good troll.

 

The fact is that trolling is a mixed boat. While it may be funny from time to time, a lot of the time it affects people negatively (like that guy from Corr who killed himself) and it clearly far surpasses what should be acceptable. Even though it's the internet, and you should be prepared for certain things before entering a community of this type, it's unfortunate that so often we forget that this is really just a game, and we aren't even good at it anymore.

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How do you feel trolling affects the clan world, both on a local (your clan) and global (clan community) scale?

As Har said, it degrades the community.

Trolling can start just like a funny thing but at the end of the day it can be harmfull, because words hurt.

This makes the game loose it´s fun if the trolling crosses that thin line that turns a joke into a disrespectful comment.

 

How do you feel about clans that flat out ban such behaviour?

I don´t think a lot of clans ban their members for flamming or trolling, and I would really like to see more action from their leaders.

Reality shows that once you identify a person with a clan, the clan is the one that loses credibility, honor o respect, not just the member, so it is necesary for clans to avoid that kind of conducts by striking, warning or banning their trolling members.

I personally strike CA´s members who flamme or troll; we want respect from others and in order to have it we need to start respecting them.

 

Do you feel like there is an imbalance in how trolling is accepted? If so, how do you restore the balance?

Tough question, difficult answer.

I think that there is an imbalance: for some people trolling is fun, for others it is disrespectful, and as I said, there is just a thin line between both kinds of comments.

Its up to the funsite´s crew to avoid trolling in their forums and it´s up to the leadership to keep their members behind that thin line to allows this game to still be fun.

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How do you feel trolling affects the clan world, both on a local (your clan) and global (clan community) scale?

 

It's ridiculously annoying, but has to be tolerated. People want to enjoy themselves, piss others off etc. - Deal with it. It makes you look stupid if it fails, however, because some people are horrible trolls. If you can't write coherently, get away from the keyboard.

 

How do you feel about clans that flat out ban such behaviour?

 

That's too imposing for my liking. Clans shouldn't act in a way that makes their clan seem disrespectful, but a blanket ban can be over-the-top.

 

Do you feel like there is an imbalance in how trolling is accepted? If so, how do you restore the balance?

 

Trolling has always been around. Back in the day, Tip.it was far more unruly than it is now. Sure, most of the clan community is on RSC but the difference between then and now is huge. The clan world in that respect is a lot calmer than before. I have nothing wrong with trolling.

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Also I would like to add. Intelligence plays a huge role in this for me. Example: Majin Wouter from TRWF is an amazing troll/antitroll (mostly the latter). His posts are usually in response to someone posting something dumb that is a bait or troll. He has the intelligence to make them look bad for what they said and it is usually something that is respected (even though it usually falls under something that can be seen as bad).

 

There are others like this. I guess it is more I am okay if you respond to a troll and dont look stupid about it? I think dumb posts or lack of logic might be my biggest pet peeve(s) when it comes to the internet. If our members cant at least look/seem smart when they post I tell them to not post at all because they make themselves and THE look dumb.

 

These days though the amount of intelligence you can get out of a 20 page topic on a fight topic is quite slim. The longer the topic the less likely it is I want to read it.

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People say i troll but I dont , I just say what comes to mind or my opinion.

 

OT: Ye clans troll just because of it maybe they think there good if they do?

 

EDIT : There are also clans that troll to make them look good or it helps , Not putting clans on the spot but EOS and Dragonwood do it and it kinda stands out.

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How do you feel trolling affects the clan world, both on a local (your clan) and global (clan community) scale? No clan has trolled us before so can't really say how it affects us. Don't know about the rest of the clan world, some people might go to far and find pleasure on what hurts others and mask that with the word "trolling". At the same time I do think people may take this game to seriously.

 

How do you feel about clans that flat out ban such behaviour? I won't ban a member for doing it. Just as long as I know they havn't crossed the limit, it's fine. However, I don't encourage trolling people from other clans, simply because one can percieve something completly differently to what you intended and most of the time it's bad. I mean, I remember I used to do it alot of fansites before not realising that others get hurt over it. It used to almost be the same as flaming and eventually I did get punished for it. I saw later that I wouldn't want my members to follow me in doing such things and that I had to set a proper example, so I just stopped all together. The only time I would take displinary action is, if a member does wrong and tries to mask it with "trolling", just have to not be so gullabe and realise whats wrong from right.

 

Do you feel like there is an imbalance in how trolling is accepted? If so, how do you restore the balance? Trolling is something fun for my community, we have such a good understanding of each other that we very well know the limits. Imo it's brought us close together because at the end of the day, it's just harmless fun/banter. I mean, I get trolled all the time by my clan-mates and it never annoys me. Just the other day I got lured in a PK trip and bs'd, but they did this knowing I wouldn't rage or have a stupid tantrum over a game. I just laughed it out and wanted to try again, so I can drag my clan better lol. But that's just an example of how laid back we are, we love to have a bit of fun but at the same time were responsible people and we most certainly understand the limits of this thing.

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RuneScape is a game, Who cares about trolling/flaming. L

 

People who are mature enough to understand that consequences have actions and where to draw the line. I understand for many that is a hard concept to grasp, but to doubt that it can be a severe problem is sheer ignorance. Save that for /b/.

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RuneScape is a game, Who cares about trolling/flaming. L

 

People who are mature enough to understand that consequences have actions and where to draw the line. I understand for many that is a hard concept to grasp, but to doubt that it can be a severe problem is sheer ignorance. Save that for /b/.

It's not that bad as long as you don't let it degrade into something more serious. Words only do real damage if you want them to. If you're willing to stick your head up and say "[bleep] you world, I am who I am and no sad-act over the internet is going to get me down" Then odds are you're just going to let the trolls, insults and flames slide off you.

 

However Clans and the Community do need to watch individuals who are willing to take it that bit further with real life threats, DDoSing etc. They genuinely CAN cause damage, but odds are it's because they don't handle trolls and flames too well / are emotional f**kt**ds and can only vent their in game frustrations through harming others.

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RuneScape is a game, Who cares about trolling/flaming. L

 

People who are mature enough to understand that consequences have actions and where to draw the line. I understand for many that is a hard concept to grasp, but to doubt that it can be a severe problem is sheer ignorance. Save that for /b/.

It's not that bad as long as you don't let it degrade into something more serious. Words only do real damage if you want them to. If you're willing to stick your head up and say "[bleep] you world, I am who I am and no sad-act over the internet is going to get me down" Then odds are you're just going to let the trolls, insults and flames slide off you.

 

However Clans and the Community do need to watch individuals who are willing to take it that bit further with real life threats, DDoSing etc. They genuinely CAN cause damage, but odds are it's because they don't handle trolls and flames too well / are emotional f**kt**ds and can only vent their in game frustrations through harming others.

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It's not that bad as long as you don't let it degrade into something more serious. Words only do real damage if you want them to. If you're willing to stick your head up and say "[bleep] you world, I am who I am and no sad-act over the internet is going to get me down" Then odds are you're just going to let the trolls, insults and flames slide off you.

 

I appreciate the philosophy but realistically I think it's fair to say that doesn't happen often enough to stem the tide. Communities wouldn't be degrading over time if trolls weren't still provoking and getting reactions from others. If it's not that, then what is it? I'm not sure if it's clear that I'm talking about beyond the "lol ur clan sucks" average layabout neckbeard poster, but the people who you know by name as trolls. Those who go beyond the next level. Those who are still being accepted into clans for god knows what reason. It ties into quality control at the 'local' level, and negatively impacts the entire community as these drifters float from place to place.

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b]How do you feel trolling affects the clan world, both on a local (your clan) and global (clan community) scale?[/b] Trolling owns

How do you feel about clans that flat out ban such behaviour? They're dumb and full of out dated clanners that live in the past.

Do you feel like there is an imbalance in how trolling is accepted? If so, how do you restore the balance?

Imbalance of trolling accepted rofl? Trolling is trolling it adds interest to forums.

 

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Do you feel like there is an imbalance in how trolling is accepted? If so, how do you restore the balance?

Imbalance of trolling accepted rofl? Trolling is trolling it adds interest to forums.

 

Some people trolling = interesting, varying viewpoints, mild lulz if the person is an idiot

 

Everyone trolling in an idiotic fashion = boring, tiresome, stupid.

 

I see the latter more than I do the former. You're okay with a mediocre and bland existence?

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Trolling really spreads from the idea of joking around. When you put a large group of mostly testosterone filled males it's a normal social behavior. Now though, trolling has become over blown into its own issue. Normally, a joke goes too far, via peer pressure and such the behavior is rectified so that group runs fairly smoothly.

 

On the internet where people can behind the anonymity of the worldwide web they can brush off this pressure and continue their behaviors. This is not to say some people can't take a joke or that they have no sense of humor or that the trolls are jerks. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy of well X person is a troll and then to maintain a positive self image they make it their own, nobody wants to be hated.

 

There's nothing really to do about it, some people will refuse to change for whatever reason. For those who can/will change appropriate and just action needs to be taken. I don't mean warn levels but a warning and explanation of what they did wrong and how to change it.

 

There's always a line when joking and people need to learn to respect that line. The line varies from person to person but in the end, fences can always be mended if both sides are willing to listen.

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Do you feel like there is an imbalance in how trolling is accepted? If so, how do you restore the balance?

Imbalance of trolling accepted rofl? Trolling is trolling it adds interest to forums.

 

Some people trolling = interesting, varying viewpoints, mild lulz if the person is an idiot

 

Everyone trolling in an idiotic fashion = boring, tiresome, stupid.

 

I see the latter more than I do the former. You're okay with a mediocre and bland existence?

 

Yes.

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