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I kind of want to drink it now, if it's getting banned. Test this shiz for myself before forming an opinion. Something tells me I can't get in the UK.

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YES.

 

I just celebrated my 21st, pregamed with Four Loko at the frat. God, nothing about last night was good. I went for the bars for the first time, don't remember it, and got kicked out within half an hour.

 

Admittedly I also had 12 shots of liquor (only hit 18 drinks), but the Four Loko started the night.

 

This reminds me of when the media blasts video games after somebody does something stupid. Just because the apparent 'evil' thing is there, all of the other things that are the main causes get overlooked.

 

Honestly, you went stupid and had too much to drink. This drink probably didn't help, but your recklessness with the drink and all the others were the cause.

 

 

You could do just as much, if not more harm to yourself with a bottle of vodka than you could with this drink, but good luck getting that banned. I can expect a lot of people jumping on the bandwagon with this drink.

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I kind of want to drink it now, if it's getting banned. Test this shiz for myself before forming an opinion. Something tells me I can't get in the UK.

 

 

You guys got absinthe, should be enough. ;)

 

Seriously, though, don't ban it. Yes, it will f!@# you up. Yes, it's basically a heart attack in a can. However, just because some people have rough reactions with it doesn't mean it should be banned altogether. Just grow some common sense, and stay away from this crap if you don't like it. And for the record, most drugs people talk about (excluding heroin, meth, etc.) should be legal; take the cash from the cartels, and that can basically end our whole southern border problem in one shot.

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I had my first one last weekend.. and yeah I'm a lightweight so i was pretty much gone. threw up on my carpet in the middle of the night and then had to spend the entire next morning cleaning it before my parents got home. IMO they're a necessary evil for those of us who can't get many girls under normal circumstances. If i was at an all bro party i think i would be more inclined to just drink beer than if it was a party with girls where everyone was drinking lokos. anyway i don't drink very often and i just randomly had the opportunity to have a party last weekend and went for it.. i don't consider myself a connoisseur of alcohol by any means.

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Meh, it's not like people don't mix energy drinks with alcohol all the time. I'd say the people who make the drink know what's safe better than some random guy at a party.

 

Besides it only 12% abv. Granted at 24 oz a can that's like 3-6 beers worth but oh well. Beats going 50-50 with Monster and 151.

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Energy drinks are disgusting to begin with, but adding 12.5% alcohol to an energy drink makes it undrinkable in my opinion. Why people drink these types of things is beyond me.

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they should sell it here in canada

This is what I am thinking. I'm all for getting so wasted that I don't remember what happened.

In all seriousness though, I've witnessed my friend pound back 10 jaggerbombs in less than an hour and I would never recommend anyone taking caffeine and alcohol together.

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Should not be banned. It's your own responsibility to drink responsible.

 

So with your logic crack/meth/heroine etc. should be legalized and people should just be responsible?

 

Yeah, but not yet. In the future that should be an end goal, or at the very least they should be decriminalized (that's probably the better route, actually).

 

No, they shouldn't be banned. They're hospitalizing kids because it's such a small volume of liquid with high alcohol content and they're drinking too many of them in a short time. All anyone needs in a night is two, tops. I usually drink one as a pre-game in a one to two hour period.

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Yeah, but not yet. In the future that should be an end goal, or at the very least they should be decriminalized (that's probably the better route, actually)

 

I agree. I think the idea of throwing people in prison for the mere possession of drugs is quite silly.

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Yeah, but not yet. In the future that should be an end goal, or at the very least they should be decriminalized (that's probably the better route, actually)

 

I agree. I think the idea of throwing people in prison for the mere possession of drugs is quite silly.

Not really.

 

Meth/crack/heroine (as used as an example by No_99) are all extremely addictive, leading users to give up everything in their lives for a drug habit. We could debate endlessly on whether or not the accomplishments that are deemed positive by society are worthwhile or not. Which would lead to the point that a drug habit is not good or bad, it only is.

 

What we cannot deny, though, is the damage caused by drug trafficking. The marijuana drug market is a child's play area compared to the hard drug market, especially when you go higher up the chain (no pun intended). Massive amounts of cash and loads of weapons to protect their investments. And remember, most of these drug lords are users themselves (Tweeking with a weapon? Yikes.)

 

So to sum it up...the individual user may not always be causing harm to others, but it is impossible to deny that the trafficking of those drugs does. Since those drugs remain illegal and never will become legal, it is not "silly" to put them in prison.

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Not really.

 

Meth/crack/heroine (as used as an example by No_99) are all extremely addictive, leading users to give up everything in their lives for a drug habit. We could debate endlessly on whether or not the accomplishments that are deemed positive by society are worthwhile or not. Which would lead to the point that a drug habit is not good or bad, it only is.

 

What we cannot deny, though, is the damage caused by drug trafficking. The marijuana drug market is a child's play area compared to the hard drug market, especially when you go higher up the chain (no pun intended). Massive amounts of cash and loads of weapons to protect their investments. And remember, most of these drug lords are users themselves (Tweeking with a weapon? Yikes.)

 

So to sum it up...the individual user may not always be causing harm to others, but it is impossible to deny that the trafficking of those drugs does. Since those drugs remain illegal and never will become legal, it is not "silly" to put them in prison.

 

You should not be thrown in prison for being an individual user that is not causing harm to others. Those hardcore traffickers you mentioned, on the other hand, are a detriment to our society and should be treated as such. So are the people who do (notice how I did not say "might") endanger others while under the influence, and should be treated as such. Perhaps add "under the influence while committing crime" as an additional charge to use against them, but the constant generalization of being a user and being an immoral sadist who is bound to commit a serious crime has got to go. Like I said, the mere possession of it is not anything worth punishing. I mean, we don't arrest people for watching gang movies, which probably has a similar correlation with drug use when it comes to "harming society/increasing crime".

 

Also, with drugs being legal, trafficking wouldn't be regulated by underground crooks.

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You're ignoring the fact that those drugs are addictive and that an addict will stop at nothing to get his or her fix. You'd have to be off your rocker to say that a crack/meth/heroine dispensary would ever be able to operate safely.

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Four Lokos along with dozens of other caffiene/alcohol drinks are ceasing production, but are not banned. Things like Joose, and 3Sum. Just finished looking it all up on google.

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You're ignoring the fact that those drugs are addictive and that an addict will stop at nothing to get his or her fix. You'd have to be off your rocker to say that a crack/meth/heroine dispensary would ever be able to operate safely.

 

 

HELL no. However, legalization would mean that people are more willing to come out with having this problem, and get help. The fact that it would tear HUGE chunks of money from the cartels (especially mary jane, not even sure why that one's illegal today) is also another thing to consider.

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You're ignoring the fact that those drugs are addictive and that an addict will stop at nothing to get his or her fix. You'd have to be off your rocker to say that a crack/meth/heroine dispensary would ever be able to operate safely.

 

Just as a gamble-holic will stop at nothing for his next lotto ticket, or a pothead for his next fix, or a World of Warcraft junkie. There are plenty of people who actually do use those hardcore drugs responsibly (I remember Venomai referencing this to me but I don't remember the links). But then yes, there are people who "throw their whole lives away for it" but just remember that this occurrence isn't exclusive to hardcore drugs - not by a long shot. Why should the idiots ruin it for everyone?

 

As for a dispensary not being logically feasible, what do you mean? Too much of a liability because of the items in question? We already sell guns, pills, nicotine, alcohol, lottery, and pornography, safely. Is crack really that much worse - or is it just that the ghetto gives it such a bad name (being a highly illegal activity and all)?

 

PS: I believe one of the big reasons that hardcore drugs have such a correlation with serious crime is because of the fact that the drugs are also a crime. It is completely in the hands of the underground thug culture. And many of them want it to be illegal.

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Just as a gamble-holic will stop at nothing for his next lotto ticket, or a pothead for his next fix, or a World of Warcraft junkie.

Clearly you do not understand the addiction of drugs like crack/meth/heroin. If you did, you would not be making the comparison to video games, gambling, and pot. Yes, those activities are habituating but they do NOT cause addiction on the level of hard drugs. I doubt you have ever been truly addicted to anything in your life judging by the statements you make.

 

That being said, I am an advocate for usage of drugs as a means of relaxation, meditation, or recreation and if you can handle your high, by all means go for it, but I am also realistic at the same time. Sure, there would be people that would use dispensaries for what you are claiming their purpose would be, but for those that are severely addicted, people who's entire being is consumed by their need to use drugs, it would be a huge failure. "Guns, pills, nicotine, alcohol, lottery, and pornography" are all very affordable items. Do you know what the street price is for hard drugs? Hell, even pot is worth more than gold ounce for ounce, but I doubt you considered any of those factors when you made your argument. I know that the street price would not be the same as the dispensary price, but if you look at the price of pot on the street and in a dispensary, they are still comparable. I would like to think any other drug would be the same. And yes, that is an assumption.

 

Our posts are quickly de-railing this topic so unless they can be tied into a discussion on Four Lokos, I will be quietly exiting stage-left.

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Clearly you do not understand the addiction of drugs like crack/meth/heroin. If you did, you would not be making the comparison to video games, gambling, and pot. Yes, those activities are habituating but they do NOT cause addiction on the level of hard drugs. I doubt you have ever been truly addicted to anything in your life judging by the statements you make.

 

In return, I will attack your credibility and assume that you have never touched any of them, that you've just been exposed to a large amount of propaganda, and that you haven't done enough research on how some people do use those drugs as a responsible recreational activity, the scientific (not political/governmental) facts about the substances, and how there are a handful of legitimate reasons to legalize it. [1] [2] [3] [4]

 

Of course some items will be more addicting than others, but addiction should not be the only thing you take into consideration when we're talking about detriments to society (and if it is, I point you in the direction of legal nicotine). While people might not get "physically addicted" to video games they can still end up losing their social lives, jobs, physical health, and even commit suicide over them. This does not suggest video games are a detriment to society at all - it suggests irresponsibility itself is. Unless you give me some solid evidence (not hearsay) that heroin and such are so much more of a detriment to society than everything else, I'm going to wager that you don't really know as much about the drugs as you claim to.

 

Do you know what the street price is for hard drugs? Hell, even pot is worth more than gold ounce for ounce, but I doubt you considered any of those factors when you made your argument.

 

As for expenses, again it is dependent on the user. For some, buying lottery (you'd be surprised how much money is spent on gambling alone), porn, art, cars, exotic animals, food, vacations, alcohol, and drugs are all very expensive vices. For others, they balance their finances quite rationally. There are people who overdo things. I already know this. But there are also people who don't, and they don't deserve punishment for another man's mistake. And most importantly - it is their money to spend.

 

I don't get why expenses have anything to do with legalization either. If anything, getting it off the streets to make it a less expensive vice should be the direction of your argument, but I don't see that.

 

Our posts are quickly de-railing this topic so unless they can be tied into a discussion on Four Lokos, I will be quietly exiting stage-left.

 

The bottom line is that throwing somebody in jail, who is being responsible and not causing any harm to anyone, is a huge load of [cabbage].

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Regarding the comparisons with alcohol/caffeine mixes and other drugs; the body can very easily get rid of most of what you eat or drink that it rejects before it does much more damage by throwing up. When you're dealing with drugs you inhale, inject, or use some creative way to get it in your system, your body doesn't enjoy this fail-safe. They might make you throw up, but in this case it won't contribute to getting it out of your system.

 

You can't ban this kind of thing because everyone knows how (and does) make them at home. I've mentioned in the favourite alcoholic drink thread that I've recently discovered the Jägerbomb (but I'm still a cider/ real ale drinker at heart), but I've never actually gone and drunk more than 3 or so in a single night. If you drink much more than that, you're an idiot and deserve to get everything that's coming to you.

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