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Jagex's new bot punishment: Level resetting


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I noticed this on runetracker: http://runetracker.o...ck-w 99 skiller

This guys total exp has crashed by over 80 million, his combat exp has gone right done. Pretty weird...
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I noticed this on runetracker: http://runetracker.o...ck-w 99 skiller

This guys total exp has crashed by over 80 million, his combat exp has gone right done. Pretty weird...


Can't access from work so I can't see the page but I'm guessing that a change like that is going to be down to a name change.

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I noticed this on runetracker: http://runetracker.o...ck-w 99 skiller

This guys total exp has crashed by over 80 million, his combat exp has gone right done. Pretty weird...


Can't access from work so I can't see the page but I'm guessing that a change like that is going to be down to a name change.


If you change your name on runetracker it keeps the same progress and doesn't crash
It recognizes you changed your name and continues as normal
You just type in your new name and wal la

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can i bot my magic level and get it reset to level 1 :/
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I noticed this on runetracker: http://runetracker.o...ck-w 99 skiller

This guys total exp has crashed by over 80 million, his combat exp has gone right done. Pretty weird...


Can't access from work so I can't see the page but I'm guessing that a change like that is going to be down to a name change.


If you change your name on runetracker it keeps the same progress and doesn't crash
It recognizes you changed your name and continues as normal
You just type in your new name and wal la


Really? I vaguely remember reading that if you changed names, and then someone else took your old one then the XP could be messed up like that.

Quite possible I'm wrong though

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Really? I vaguely remember reading that if you changed names, and then someone else took your old one then the XP could be messed up like that.
Quite possible I'm wrong though

Only possible when the name changes owner is less than 28+7 days. (Read: forced namechanges)

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if it is a punishment, then i dont really see any gain on jagex's behalf.


You don't see the gain? They get to keep membership payments while the bots keep going.

Logically, stat reduction happens through banning anyway. Perm banning is essentially the same as reducing all skills back to level 1.


No it's not. When you're banned, all assets are frozen. They no longer exist and can't impact anyone else. We know so little about this 'new process', we don't know what happens with their assets. If they're keeping them, then it's absolutely abhorrent. If they're removing them too, then hey! Jagex still gets their money, botters gonna bot, haters gonna hate, etc.

Meh. It'd be nice if there was confirmation somewhere. This whole thing lowers my opinions of the company behind this game.

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I just don't understand why they have to be so secretive about this. Ban the bots, and be done. There are plenty of legitimate players to give you your income. :thumbdown:

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I just don't understand why they have to be so secretive about this. Ban the bots, and be done. There are plenty of legitimate players to give you your income. :thumbdown:




Because if they outright say their system for detecting bots, the creators of them will adjust them so that they avoid it. Much like intelligence services in real life have to keep as secretive as possible o do their job.
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Not new, they were doing this in Classic well over 6 years ago, the only 2 draw-backs to this is;
Quests remain complete, you could be in the Legends' Guild at Level 3 technically.
All the items sold in-game are not removed, thus ruining the economy more.

This was what it was like in Classic anyway, therefore Quest Cape with all stats reset is possible.

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I noticed this on runetracker: http://runetracker.o...ck-w 99 skiller

This guys total exp has crashed by over 80 million, his combat exp has gone right done. Pretty weird...


Can't access from work so I can't see the page but I'm guessing that a change like that is going to be down to a name change.


If you change your name on runetracker it keeps the same progress and doesn't crash
It recognizes you changed your name and continues as normal
You just type in your new name and wal la


Really? I vaguely remember reading that if you changed names, and then someone else took your old one then the XP could be messed up like that.

Quite possible I'm wrong though



I don't think it's a name change, because it seems only his hp, attack, strength and defence exp has been changed.
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if it is a punishment, then i dont really see any gain on jagex's behalf.


You don't see the gain? They get to keep membership payments while the bots keep going.


Money makes the Jagex Hq spin. Nah but smart on jagexs part. botters gonna keep botting jagex put stats at 1, botter redo process jagex get profit.

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if it is a punishment, then i dont really see any gain on jagex's behalf.


You don't see the gain? They get to keep membership payments while the bots keep going.


Money makes the Jagex Hq spin. Nah but smart on jagexs part. botters gonna keep botting jagex put stats at 1, botter redo process jagex get profit.


Problem is if the person say, botted RC'ing deaths. Lose the exp, but gain money. If they mess with the persons items gained through botting, then I think it's ingenious and a really good system. At least for Jagex, bots don't profit/gain exp but the botters still pay for membership.

Tbh, gotta agree, it does make sense from their financial perspective. But Jagex can't publicly say this, or people will start botting more.

As for instant perm-ban.... suppose for a second that 10% of members bot. Perm ban them all, Jagex loses 10% of their revenue.

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Seems like a fairly decent solution, although I'm still not informed about the specifics and haven't taken the time to research them, nor do I really care to if I were to be honest, I'm just as happy knowing Jagex is making efforts to counter the use of bots and macros, and even if those efforts turn out to be not as effective as they were planned to be or as I would want to be, I'll still admire them for trying.

I'm sure some of those who constantly bash Jagex don't really understand how difficult it is to combat bots and macros.

I just hope any innocent players don't get caught up in this, although I strongly doubt they would considering I haven't seen the Player Support and Investigations team make any errors in the past, but I'm not exactly sure if I've been around long enough to know in the first place.

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How would you know if they make errors? Not like they'd publicize them. Only way you can know is from it happening unjustly to someone (or at least claims to have it happen.) Happens every now and then.

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As for instant perm-ban.... suppose for a second that 10% of members bot. Perm ban them all, Jagex loses 10% of their revenue.

Both Microsoft and Nintendo release system updates that prevent cheats from using their online services all the time, some of them even 'brick' the console beyond repair in the process, but I'd hardly suggest Bill Gates is struggling to find enough money to pay his taxes at the moment.

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Saw a post from Mod Mat K earlier (about 18 hours ago?), this did happen, and they're working to fix it and restore the levels to everyone. Quite a few legit players lost levels apparently.

Also @Ginger_Warrior, remember how Bill Gates wasn't the richest man after donating all that money? He's the richest man in the world once again already.
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Saw a post from Mod Mat K earlier (about 18 hours ago?), this did happen, and they're working to fix it and restore the levels to everyone. Quite a few legit players lost levels apparently.

Also @Ginger_Warrior, remember how Bill Gates wasn't the richest man after donating all that money? He's the richest man in the world once again already.

Wasn't Mod Mat K, you can check by searching his profile.
I did find a jmod reply to a rsof thread about it:

All players that have had skill levels lost have been asked to submit a bug report so our bug trackers can investigate it.

Players that are caught botting are banned.

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Level resetting may be a good temporary solution, but what will be done with all the items on the player? Surely they can't just sit there and allow the player to bot buyable skills again.

I'm going to say that perm banning bots is still the solution. Banning 10% of members (say they are bots) means losing 10% of revenue, but I'm sure Jagex can make more than that 10%.

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