Pfohlol Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I've noticed some interesting side effects from this new reward to aid herblore. Here is what the KB says on it: Members only. Requires a Herblore level of 49 and a Dungeoneering level of 55. Once used, the scroll will disappear, giving you the following permanent effects: * You receive a 1 in 8 chance that you make a potion twice as fast as usual * You receive a 1 in 10 chance that you save a secondary ingredient when making any potion ------------------- Now I find that isn't really what happens, oddly the difference helps us. Based on what the KB says, mixing secondaries and unfinished should net me 14 potions and extra secondaries on the side. In reality all secondaries are used up and the scroll seems to generate extra unfinished pots. The inventory below shows a normal unf---> potion inventory after scroll. An extra unfinished pot is seemingly just created. Also it does conserve vials of water, which sounds good, but it destroys the method I usually use to train which is adding a herb to a vial and then directly putting in the secondary, this doesn't work anymore because there are now more than 14 inventory spots taken up. Questions? Concerns? Comments? EDIT:Yes it seems jagex has updated it, now instead of saving vials, you save herbs. And instead of saving unfinished potions you save secondaries. Being fully honest I'm fine with it either way. And making unfinished pots just got more profitable, unless the margins between them start to close from this update, and making the potions from straight herbs and vials now gives extra herbs on the side, Probably making it more efficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 So what happens if you are making extremes? Do you get a super pot back? Or Overloads? ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkDude Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Could it be based on what order you use the items on? For example Seconds -> Unfinished = Keeps unfinished. Unfinished -> Seconds = Keep Seconds. Any chance you could test that and see? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pure_fett Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 idk but my thoughts are "im going to buy this scroll right now" i don't play psykick anymore... i play 2ed: "pure fett" 26081 to get 99 herblore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pfohlol Posted November 2, 2010 Author Share Posted November 2, 2010 effects seem to be the same regardless of which you use on the other. Also shamefully I cant make extremes yet, but I'm sure someone out there can add some input to that. I'm going out now for a few hours so wont be able to participate in discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevestia Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Interesting. I'll have to go try this after I finish this level. [hide][/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Try Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 EDIT: tested with overloads. Seems to work like it should, you have a chance of saving torstols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ts_Stormrage Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 So what happens if you are making extremes? Do you get a super pot back? Or Overloads? Making extremes would indeed yield you a leftover super pot according to this... But overloads pose an even more intersting question...Since the 2nd is 5 extreme potsl it would seem that you keep all 5 of those... Prolly only a matter of time before we get more data on this / the whole thing gets nerfed Former Leader of The Tal Shiar Alliance - An Original Tip.it ClanMember of the Wilderness Guardians and Founder of the Silent GuardiansFounder of The Conclave - A Tip.it Clan institutionTip.it Times author (click for all my articles) - When I use the wrong reasons to make the right statement, argue the reason, not the statement.MSSW4 General - Did we kick your ass too?Check us out!==> No seriously, if you like FREE GP, XP and Dung tokens, as well as Community, Opportunity and above all FUN... <==CLICK IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PereGrin Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 So what happens if you are making extremes? Do you get a super pot back? Or Overloads? Making extremes would indeed yield you a leftover super pot according to this... But overloads pose an even more intersting question...Since the 2nd is 5 extreme potsl it would seem that you keep all 5 of those... Prolly only a matter of time before we get more data on this / the whole thing gets nerfedOMG, free overloads??? Totally buying that when I log on again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevestia Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Just tried it with some extremes and it saved some extra herbs. [hide][/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Just tried it with some extremes and it saved some extra herbs. Dang. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hegelstad Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Wow this looks really neat, would prices fluctuate because of this update, or is the difference negligible ? My lame drops:6 Effigys1 D Med - 1 D Dagger1 Verac's Helmet - 1 Guthan's Platebody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Wow this looks really neat, would prices fluctuate because of this update, or is the difference negligible ?Well, torstol will always be profitable I think, as nobody would farm it if it wasn't, and if nobody farms it, prices go up and it becomes profitable. The torstol gained through slayer is quite insignificant (do monsters even drop it?). Herbs might go down, but as herblore becomes cheaper, more people will get extremes, thus more people will need herbs. Edit: got my scroll :D. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I don't think anything drops torstol (maybe strykewyrms, but definitely nothing else), though a few do drop seeds. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidd_Varrow Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I'm pretty sure you can only get torstol through the sinister chest and planting seeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspeeder Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Just tried it with some extremes and it saved some extra herbs. Dang.Isn't that a good thing? I mean the herbs used as seconds are worth more than the super pots, whereas the torstol saved making ovls saved is probably worth more than all 5 of the extremes as well. http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww6/aspeeder/Siggy_zpsewaiux2t.png 99 Strength since 6/02/10 99 Attack since 9/19/10 99 Constitution since 10/03/10 99 Defense since 3/14/11 99 Slayer since 8/30/11 99 Summoning since 9/10/11 99 Ranged since 09/18/11 99 Magic since 11/12/11 99 Prayer since 11/15/11 99 Herblore since 3/29/12 99 Firemaking since 5/15/12 99 Smithing since 10/04/12 99 Crafting since 9/16/13 99 Agility since 9/23/13 99 Dungeoneering since 1/1/14 99 Fishing since 2/4/14 99 Mining since 2/28/14 99 Farming since 6/04/14 99 Cooking since 6/11/14 99 Runecrafting since 10/10/14 9 Fletching since 11/11/14 99 Thieving since 11/14/14 99 Woodcutting since 11/20/14 99 Construction since 12/03/14 99 Divination since 2/22/15 99 Hunter since 2/23/15 99 Invention since 01/20/17 99 Archaeology since 5/14/22Quest Point Cape since 08/20/09 Maxed since 2/23/15 Fire Cape since 02/27/13 Slayer: 3 Leaf-Bladed Swords, 8 Black Masks, 2 Hexcrests, 26 Granite Mauls, 5 Focus Sights, 32 Abyssal Whips, 9 Dark Bows, 1 Whip Vine, 3 Staffs of Light, 15 Polypore Sticks Dragon: 9 Draconic Visages, 7 Shield Left Halves, 20 Dragon Boots, 40 Dragon Med Helms, 8 Dragon Platelegs, 6 Dragon Spears, 20 Dragon Daggers, 5 Dragon Plateskirts, 1 Dragon Chainbody, 63 Off-hand Dragon Throwing Axes, 19 Dragon Longswords, 27 Dragon Maces, 1 Dragon Ward Treasure Trails: Saradomin Full Helm, Ranger Boots, Rune Body (t), Saradomin Vambraces, Various God Pages Misc:1 Onyx,1 Ahrim's Hood, 1 Guthan's Chainskirt, 1 Demon Slayer Boots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Just tried it with some extremes and it saved some extra herbs. Dang.Isn't that a good thing? I mean the herbs used as seconds are worth more than the super pots, whereas the torstol making ovls saved is probably worth more than all 5 of the extremes as well; inconsistent but pragmatic. But it also means (most likely) if you make an Overload, you save a torstol instead of an extreme set. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspeeder Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Just tried it with some extremes and it saved some extra herbs. Dang.Isn't that a good thing? I mean the herbs used as seconds are worth more than the super pots, whereas the torstol making ovls saved is probably worth more than all 5 of the extremes as well; inconsistent but pragmatic. But it also means (most likely) if you make an Overload, you save a torstol instead of an extreme set.Overload: Estimated Value at 21727 as sum of all extreme potionsTorstol: GE Mid Value: 48800So if 21727 is the worth of an extreme set, I'd rather save a torstol. All values taken from Grimy's Herblore Spreadsheets http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww6/aspeeder/Siggy_zpsewaiux2t.png 99 Strength since 6/02/10 99 Attack since 9/19/10 99 Constitution since 10/03/10 99 Defense since 3/14/11 99 Slayer since 8/30/11 99 Summoning since 9/10/11 99 Ranged since 09/18/11 99 Magic since 11/12/11 99 Prayer since 11/15/11 99 Herblore since 3/29/12 99 Firemaking since 5/15/12 99 Smithing since 10/04/12 99 Crafting since 9/16/13 99 Agility since 9/23/13 99 Dungeoneering since 1/1/14 99 Fishing since 2/4/14 99 Mining since 2/28/14 99 Farming since 6/04/14 99 Cooking since 6/11/14 99 Runecrafting since 10/10/14 9 Fletching since 11/11/14 99 Thieving since 11/14/14 99 Woodcutting since 11/20/14 99 Construction since 12/03/14 99 Divination since 2/22/15 99 Hunter since 2/23/15 99 Invention since 01/20/17 99 Archaeology since 5/14/22Quest Point Cape since 08/20/09 Maxed since 2/23/15 Fire Cape since 02/27/13 Slayer: 3 Leaf-Bladed Swords, 8 Black Masks, 2 Hexcrests, 26 Granite Mauls, 5 Focus Sights, 32 Abyssal Whips, 9 Dark Bows, 1 Whip Vine, 3 Staffs of Light, 15 Polypore Sticks Dragon: 9 Draconic Visages, 7 Shield Left Halves, 20 Dragon Boots, 40 Dragon Med Helms, 8 Dragon Platelegs, 6 Dragon Spears, 20 Dragon Daggers, 5 Dragon Plateskirts, 1 Dragon Chainbody, 63 Off-hand Dragon Throwing Axes, 19 Dragon Longswords, 27 Dragon Maces, 1 Dragon Ward Treasure Trails: Saradomin Full Helm, Ranger Boots, Rune Body (t), Saradomin Vambraces, Various God Pages Misc:1 Onyx,1 Ahrim's Hood, 1 Guthan's Chainskirt, 1 Demon Slayer Boots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Just tried it with some extremes and it saved some extra herbs. Dang.Isn't that a good thing? I mean the herbs used as seconds are worth more than the super pots, whereas the torstol making ovls saved is probably worth more than all 5 of the extremes as well; inconsistent but pragmatic. But it also means (most likely) if you make an Overload, you save a torstol instead of an extreme set.Overload: Estimated Value at 21727 as sum of all extreme potionsTorstol: GE Mid Value: 48800So if 21727 is the worth of an extreme set, I'd rather save a torstol. All values taken from Grimy's Herblore Spreadsheets Huh, guess I've overestimated the cost of those extremes. My mistake, sorry. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartuccio3 Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 I can confirm that if you use unfinished potions on secondaries, rather than secondaries on potions, it still saves the potion instead of the secondary. I hope this is poor wording rather than a programming error since it saves so significant an amount of money when training herblore for long periods of time. I was thrilled just from the possibility of making more potions per hour, and saw the secondary item saved as a peripheral benefit; my favourite part ended up being saving an unfinished irit potion instead of an eye of newt. Very glad I put off the herblore I was supposed to be doing over the weekend now. I really hope that there's no mass-banning over this though if it's unintentionally saving the vials and the unfinished potions. Would suck being kept out of the game for a week because the QA team didn't know how to test content properly and I took a gamble on buying a new reward... I think it's just the KB and in-game description being written by people without reading comprehension and/or common sense. I mean honestly, the herbicide's in-game description used the term "certed" instead of "noted" and we haven't had certificates since RS1. Instead of the actual "secondary" ingredient according to the order listed in the skills guide in-game, it could just mean the most expensive component (doesn't explain vials), or it could be a usage error of first or primary, if a memo from a designer to a coder was written with a stylised "1" (which could look like a quickly drawn "2") instead of a lazily drawn slash that looks like a lowercase "L" (e.g. "the number 1 ingredient the game searches for in the player's inventory for make x" or something similar.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pfohlol Posted November 3, 2010 Author Share Posted November 3, 2010 From reading through the RSOF, it seems that the scroll works as intended on higher level potions, but unfinished potions are saved on the lower potions. My experiment one done on prayer potions. I just hope this doesn't turn in to bug abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardzik Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Well in some cases save-ability of seconds can be great but how about extreme magic potions, where ground mud runes cost almost nothing ? :) Im glad thats nice addon to herblore skill but seems to be semi balanced for me. Anyway its better to have it rather than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Den Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 FML for getting 99 herblore before this. :P ........::::: Rainy's YouTube Channel - Rainy's Twitter - Rainy's Facebook - Rainy's DeviantArt - Rainy's Tumblr - Rainy's Tip.It Profile :::::......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youmu Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 IMO this is probably just another classic fault made by Jagex: failing to word rewards properly. I think extremes are made to work like that simply because they don't use unf pots. BlogTrimmed | Master Quester | Final BossBoss pets: Bombi | Shrimpy | Ellie | Tz-Rek Jad | Karil the Bobbled | Mega Ducklings120s: Dungeoneering | Invention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumondskull6 Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 IMO this is probably just another classic fault made by Jagex: failing to word rewards properly. I think extremes are made to work like that simply because they don't use unf pots.Agreed, it's most likely poor wording. I doubt they'd let you save super pots, prayer pots, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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