Chaotic Kiteshield Vs Divine Spirit Shield

[Zaaps1]

Divine may be overwealmingly better, but it DOES cost 1b+ street price, or ~500m if you snipe in GE (which you won't, but for argument's sake, let's use this as the price).

 

At Frost Dragons, that's over 145 hours of work required.

 

CKS is 200k tokens, which will take about 25 hours if you go from ~level 80 (eg. after buying a rapier).

 

I can think of a lot of things I can do with 120 hours.

you can sell the divine back you cannot sell the cks back

 

your argument seems to have backfired?

 

Very true, but if you sell the Divine back you wouldn't have a shield to compare the CKS to, so you can ignore that factor (it's like dividing by zero).

[PereGrin]

Divine may be overwealmingly better, but it DOES cost 1b+ street price, or ~500m if you snipe in GE (which you won't, but for argument's sake, let's use this as the price).

 

At Frost Dragons, that's over 145 hours of work required.

 

CKS is 200k tokens, which will take about 25 hours if you go from ~level 80 (eg. after buying a rapier).

 

I can think of a lot of things I can do with 120 hours.

you can sell the divine back you cannot sell the cks back

 

your argument seems to have backfired?

 

Very true, but if you sell the Divine back you wouldn't have a shield to compare the CKS to, so you can ignore that factor (it's like dividing by zero).

What equation are you using?

 

Divine >= CKS ---> 0 >= CKS - Divine ---(factor CKS out)---> 0 >= CKS(1 - Divine/CKS) -----> CKS <= 0 or Divine/CKS >= 1.

 

Dividing by zero is more like:

 

a=1 b=1

 

a^2 = a^2, b^2 = ab

 

subtract equations.

 

a^2 - b^2 = a^2 - ab

 

factor

 

(a + b)(a - b) = a(a - b)

 

Divide by (a - b)

 

a + b = a

 

"a" cancels

 

b = 0

 

1 = 0

 

Now anything is possible mathematically.

[Zaaps1]

I was using it figuratively.

 

What I mean is, if you take into account that you can sell back the Divine, there would be nothing to compare it to so it's not a scenario that can be analyzed (like dividing by zero).

[Quyneax]

I was using it figuratively.

 

What I mean is, if you take into account that you can sell back the Divine, there would be nothing to compare it to so it's not a scenario that can be analyzed (like dividing by zero).

Why wouldn't you consider that? Maybe you'll get tired of your shield someday and want to trade it for something else... oops 25 hours wasted on ckite?

[Zaaps1]

I was using it figuratively.

 

What I mean is, if you take into account that you can sell back the Divine, there would be nothing to compare it to so it's not a scenario that can be analyzed (like dividing by zero).

Why wouldn't you consider that? Maybe you'll get tired of your shield someday and want to trade it for something else... oops 25 hours wasted on ckite?

 

Better than losing 120 hours getting the Divine. If you're just going to sell back the shield, why not go for the one that takes the least initial investment. Sure you'll still have the money, but what are you honestly going to do with it? Wouldn't it have just been better to spend it on that item/skill BEFORE buying the Divine?

[Bladewing]

once you own a divine, it's worth 550m - you can sell it for 550m whenever you want, you can get that 150 hours back

 

once you own a ckite, it's worth 0m - you cannot sell it, you cannot get those 25 hours back

[Zaaps1]

My question is why you would buy it if you are just going to sell it back. It's not like training a skill where you can get rid of something after you've exhausted its use.

[green9090]

My question is why you would buy it if you are just going to sell it back. It's not like training a skill where you can get rid of something after you've exhausted its use.

Are you kidding? Plenty of people buy items just to mess around with them. And even if you're not planning on selling it, if you later replace it with something better you can sell it at that point. For example, I had a fighter torso before Bandos armor came out. That is now a 100% wasted investment, because I replaced it with BCP and was unable to recoup the time I spent at BA for it. Meanwhile, I used to own full Guthans before I got SGS- I was able to sell it back and make most of what I spent on it back. I also sold my SGS when EEE and SS made it useless, again making back money.

 

There are plenty of advantages to buying something that can be later sold back over buying something you'll be stuck with forever no matter what you replace it with.

[TheAncient]

you also risk losing it and for its value to go down.

[Zaaps1]

But the assumption is that if you hqve a Divine, youd have all those little things already and there wouldnt be very much you could improve.

 

This is going into the realm of the "what if"s. Youre all saying "what if you want to sell it?". Well I could just as easily say "what if you dont?" or "what if you want to buy it back?"

 

Plus theres the risk involved in owning one, as mentioned above by Ancient.

[Mazhar]

CKS's only use is bandos, DFS > CKS for bandos. I'll just pretend you typo'd Dragonfire Shield as Divine Spirit Shield to keep this from being a joke.

[green9090]

But the assumption is that if you hqve a Divine, youd have all those little things already and there wouldnt be very much you could improve.

 

This is going into the realm of the "what if"s. Youre all saying "what if you want to sell it?". Well I could just as easily say "what if you dont?" or "what if you want to buy it back?"

 

Plus theres the risk involved in owning one, as mentioned above by Ancient.

It's all about options. You have the option to turn your divine back into cash. You do not under any circumstances have the option to turn your chaotic kite back into the time you spent dunging for it. If a shield comes out that replaces divine, you can sell the divine back. On the other hand, you'll still be stuck with a worthless CKS if you replace it (probably with ely/divine).

 

You'd have to be really dumb to risk a divine- they protect so high that you'd basically have to be PKing with it on non +1.

[Sir_Kurity]

If a shield comes out that replaces divine, you can sell the divine back.

 

Abiet it would have crashed, but i get your point.

[Golvellius]

One you purchase in-game.

One you buy with real money.

Which one you choose depends on what type of player you want to be.

[SirIzenhime]

CKS's only use is bandos, DFS > CKS for bandos. I'll just pretend you typo'd Dragonfire Shield as Divine Spirit Shield to keep this from being a joke.

 

Sorry, but it's not a joke. As I said, I have neither shield, so I have no idea how either works personally. Let's not be rude please.

[stonewall337]

One you purchase in-game.

One you buy with real money.

Which one you choose depends on what type of player you want to be.

Are you saying everyone with a divine, who didn't get it as a drop, bought it for real life money? As such, I'd be interested in proof, or at least evidence.

[Sir_Kurity]

Ya, it has a street far above GE price, but its possible to snipe the sigil or just buy it...

[blackeagle4]

Divine may be overwealmingly better, but it DOES cost 1b+ street price, or ~500m if you snipe in GE (which you won't, but for argument's sake, let's use this as the price).

 

At Frost Dragons, that's over 145 hours of work required.

 

CKS is 200k tokens, which will take about 25 hours if you go from ~level 80 (eg. after buying a rapier).

 

I can think of a lot of things I can do with 120 hours.

you can sell the divine back you cannot sell the cks back

 

your argument seems to have backfired?

 

Very true, but if you sell the Divine back you wouldn't have a shield to compare the CKS to, so you can ignore that factor (it's like dividing by zero).

What equation are you using?

 

Divine >= CKS ---> 0 >= CKS - Divine ---(factor CKS out)---> 0 >= CKS(1 - Divine/CKS) -----> CKS <= 0 or Divine/CKS >= 1.

 

Dividing by zero is more like:

 

a=1 b=1

 

a^2 = a^2, b^2 = ab

 

subtract equations.

 

a^2 - b^2 = a^2 - ab

 

factor

 

(a + b)(a - b) = a(a - b)

 

Divide by (a - b)

 

a + b = a

 

"a" cancels

 

b = 0

 

1 = 0

 

Now anything is possible mathematically.

 

 

(a + b)(a - b) = a(a - b)

 

Divide by (a - b)

 

^^ this is wrong, as (a - b) = (1 - 1) = 0

 

And we all know you can't divide by 0 :)

[PereGrin]

(a + b)(a - b) = a(a - b)

 

Divide by (a - b)

 

^^ this is wrong, as (a - b) = (1 - 1) = 0

 

And we all know you can't divide by 0 :)

I know, that was my point. That is why at the end, you get 1 = 0.

 

I was demonstrating what dividing by zero looks like.

[jsboutin2]

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Divine may be overwealmingly better, but it DOES cost 1b+ street price, or ~500m if you snipe in GE (which you won't, but for argument's sake, let's use this as the price).

 

At Frost Dragons, that's over 145 hours of work required.

 

CKS is 200k tokens, which will take about 25 hours if you go from ~level 80 (eg. after buying a rapier).

 

I can think of a lot of things I can do with 120 hours.

you can sell the divine back you cannot sell the cks back

 

your argument seems to have backfired?

 

Very true, but if you sell the Divine back you wouldn't have a shield to compare the CKS to, so you can ignore that factor (it's like dividing by zero).

What equation are you using?

 

Divine >= CKS ---> 0 >= CKS - Divine ---(factor CKS out)---> 0 >= CKS(1 - Divine/CKS) -----> CKS <= 0 or Divine/CKS >= 1.

 

Dividing by zero is more like:

 

a=1 b=1

 

a^2 = a^2, b^2 = ab

 

subtract equations.

 

a^2 - b^2 = a^2 - ab

 

factor

 

(a + b)(a - b) = a(a - b)

 

Divide by (a - b)

 

a + b = a

 

"a" cancels

 

b = 0

 

1 = 0

 

Now anything is possible mathematically.

 

 

(a + b)(a - b) = a(a - b)

 

Divide by (a - b)

 

^^ this is wrong, as (a - b) = (1 - 1) = 0

 

And we all know you can't divide by 0 :)

 

 

 

It was prety much written at the beginning of his "proof".

[blackeagle4]

(a + b)(a - b) = a(a - b)

 

Divide by (a - b)

 

^^ this is wrong, as (a - b) = (1 - 1) = 0

 

And we all know you can't divide by 0 :)

I know, that was my point. That is why at the end, you get 1 = 0.

 

I was demonstrating what dividing by zero looks like.

 

Ah i didnt see that, my bad! I just hate it when people use that equation to look smart by saying "oh but 1=0 blah blah"

 

My bad!

[PereGrin]

(a + b)(a - b) = a(a - b)

 

Divide by (a - b)

 

^^ this is wrong, as (a - b) = (1 - 1) = 0

 

And we all know you can't divide by 0 :)

I know, that was my point. That is why at the end, you get 1 = 0.

 

I was demonstrating what dividing by zero looks like.

 

Ah i didnt see that, my bad! I just hate it when people use that equation to look smart by saying "oh but 1=0 blah blah"

 

My bad!

So wait, you read the book Zero as well?

[blackeagle4]

(a + b)(a - b) = a(a - b)

 

Divide by (a - b)

 

^^ this is wrong, as (a - b) = (1 - 1) = 0

 

And we all know you can't divide by 0 :)

I know, that was my point. That is why at the end, you get 1 = 0.

 

I was demonstrating what dividing by zero looks like.

 

Ah i didnt see that, my bad! I just hate it when people use that equation to look smart by saying "oh but 1=0 blah blah"

 

My bad!

So wait, you read the book Zero as well?

 

 

Nope, what's it about though? I may have to look in to it.

[PereGrin]

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(a + b)(a - b) = a(a - b)

 

Divide by (a - b)

 

^^ this is wrong, as (a - b) = (1 - 1) = 0

 

And we all know you can't divide by 0 :)

I know, that was my point. That is why at the end, you get 1 = 0.

 

I was demonstrating what dividing by zero looks like.

 

Ah i didnt see that, my bad! I just hate it when people use that equation to look smart by saying "oh but 1=0 blah blah"

 

My bad!

So wait, you read the book Zero as well?

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Nope, what's it about though? I may have to look in to it.

The history of the number 0 lol. One of the appendices proves Winston Churchill a carrot using that little 1 = 0 thing.

 

Anyways, lets get back on topic here.