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i'm sorry sir but that is just an attack and we do not tolerate attacks on this thread, as noted in the rules in the first post:

1. You are invited and welcome to express like or dislike on articles and a particular author's writing style. It is not acceptable, however, to flame or personally insult an author. Posts that aren't anything but an attack will be removed from the topic.

I see no flaming or personal insults. He is expressing his dislike of the article (which is permitted) in a calm and constructive fashion.
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I didn't give any personal insults to the author at all, I attacked and criticized his argument. I am not violating any rules.

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As for the runescape is babies game article, I couldn't disagree anymore.
WOW is a babies game.
Just mash buttons and make sure you pick the most over powered class.
You won't learn anything in RS that can help you there.
RS is more complex than that.
RS has trade, a stock exchange, the constant need to learn and reinvent ways to train skills to maximize rewards and minimize boredom and cost.
Most importantly ,RS is one of the few games were you can carve out your own way in the mmo world instead of being a scrub.
As for graphics, if you played the games I had as a kid, then you would realize that the graphics aren't that bad.
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He just successfully trolled you with "courtesy" and managed to get a reaction out of you. Lol


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Well, I've been away for a little while, but trying to read each update on the times when I can. Nice to see some new-ish topics being brought up, also seemingly the majority are to a better standard grammatically which I like a lot. Enjoying the progression of the fictional article, but as pointed out elsewhere there are still a few odd phrases that don't add up. Still, as I don't really have the time to offer edits myself, I'll not bother restating past criticisms. :)

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I would like to know what doesnt add up in the fictional... Perhaps only if to prevent the mistake (or correct it) in the next chapter...

Feel free to PM me if you feel it doesnt belong here, or if is not as severe a mistake but rather just needs some clarification...

If anything; its my first proper attempt ever at a fictional (srsly, I've never ever written anything fictional other then a prelude to the massive fansite v fansite steel war), so plz be gentle :D

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I would have to agree with pawn here. He at no time directs any of his comments at the author only to the flaws he sees in the article itself.

With that said i feel pawn fails to realize that the author repeatedly uses phrases like "I think" to show that he is expressing an opinion and at no time claims it to be fact thus negating much of pawns basis for the argument such as the comment about needing numbers to back up his "Bold statement"

If he where stating it as fact then i too would expect statistics to back it up but because the author expressed this as an opinion by stating "I THINK it is fair to say that a significant amount of all MMO players got their first contact with the genre through Runescape." i don't feel there is a need to have numbers to back it up. I personally agree with this statement most of the people i know who play other MMO's got thier start in runescape.

Now in regards to runescape being the baby's first MMO id agree to the extent that you need to walk before you can run but the game bridges many levels of gamer experience. Therefore although it may offer a walking stage it by no means limits you to that. Ive played multiple MMOs including WOW, FF online, City of Heros/villians and Guild wars. I played WoW for a one month free trial i received and promptly quit after a week. Although it may have a older target age group i find the maturity levels of the WoW community lacking on virtually ever level resulting in it being incredibly unenjoyable to play.

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i'm sorry sir but that is just an attack and we do not tolerate attacks on this thread, as noted in the rules in the first post:

1. You are invited and welcome to express like or dislike on articles and a particular author's writing style. It is not acceptable, however, to flame or personally insult an author. Posts that aren't anything but an attack will be removed from the topic.

I see no flaming or personal insults. He is expressing his dislike of the article (which is permitted) in a calm and constructive fashion.

I think bladewing was being ironic.

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Ironic is not sarcastic, but I do agree he probably wasn't serious.

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Honestly I think that that one thread that everyone critiqued Racheya's article is what he was referring to. I remember posts just like pawns being in that thread. :unsure:

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It's hard to see the worst of it because we had to remove the worst ;)

Pawn's post is fine, however, so lets move on from this topic.


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I really liked the "Babys first MMORPG" -article. I've been playing RS ever since I turned 10 years old back in the 2001. I must agree the game itself is not probably having the best graphics and it's missing quite a bit of cool type of content. However, I do enjoy RS especially becouse of it's easy accessability. I don't need to download big updates, have the best computer or fastest internet. I just open my browser and play. Also, I can play whenever I feel like it and as long (or short) time as I wish. I just log in and log out. I don't need to be making plans for completing longer "raids" or "quests". Or if I have, it's very rare.

I've been growing with the game, and that being said it's hard to get rid of it. I don't particularly play alot, so I'm not type of those gamers. I mostly just play old games I've played since few years back, because I just don't usually bother learning something completely new. Heroes III, RS and Elder Scrolls for the win. :shades:

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In reference to the article "Baby's First MMORPG" I actually played WoW before I knew what RS was and didn't care for the game play. When I was introduced to RS I found exactly what I was looking for, and RPG with multiple skills and quests. I am not the only member of my family who plays, my mother, my brother and two of my children play too!

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I also must add the first RPG I played was Zork, which the original was all typed with zero graphics (I'm telling my age here) so RS has immensely improved upon that format!

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"Baby's First MMORPG"

Loved this articlel, RuneScape is a very complex game which in my opinion teaches real life skills. In a world where youngsters think they can have it all, RuneScape shows that you have to work for what you get. People playing other games should come over to RuneScape and try it out for more than a couple of hours and then say that it is 'baby's first MMORPG'.

Yes, I am of the very much older generation around almost before electricity was invented, but I enjoy RuneScape for the diversity. I don't just have to run round killing things or skilling, I can sit in the general exchange and gosip or I can join in one of the many many events which other players put on 'just for fun'.

Baby's first MMORPG? Rubish. RuneScape is a community.

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Well, the "Baby's first MMO" article motivated me to dust off my old tipit password and comment. I'm one of the very old timers; I got my start playing LPmuds. For those who don't remember these, they were text based, single instance (no multiple worlds here) and a large one had perhaps 300 players at a time. They also had pretty much all types of game styles - solo and team play; pure combat and skill based; quests and grinds; etc. Some had good newbie training areas; others pretty much assumed you'd played before.

From that background, I find that at least half the things mentioned in the "Baby's first MMO" article have nothing to do with accessibility or newbie appeal. Areas requiring huge teams are a matter of taste. Some love them; some hate them. Much depends on the player's schedule. (I have too many RL interruptions for effective teaming, as my pitiful dungeoneering level demonstrates.) Races are also a matter of taste. More interesting is the question about whether one character can experience the whole MMO. Some games restrict the number of things a single character can learn - a healer will never be a good tank, and vice versa. Others, like Runescape, do not. Each type has its advantages and its problems; neither one is more primitive than the other.

Other aspects do make Runescape more newbie friendly and more child friendly. Other games have some of them too. Many games only require payment when you get serious, though Runescape does this better than most, IMO. Many games allow payment without credit cards; check the relevant section of your local store. Some have decent newbie tutorials, though that seems a bit less common ;-) Many make things easier for a new character, so first levels come encouragingly fast. Some even play in a browser without requiring this year's hardware for non-frustrating performance.

What Runescape has that others of this type don't have is depth. It's more than just a killing fest, and new content doesn't just mirror the old with a new name. (Compare e.g. flyff for an example of the opposite.) I'd go so far as to class many of the others as more primitive, because of their lack of depth and variety. Thus Runescape can be both baby's first MMO, and grandfather's mainstay. Very few games can say that, sa I discover whenever I go shopping for a bit of variety in my game play; I've tried and rejected a lot of MMOs in the time I've been playing Runescape.

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That was well written. I agree. Although RS does have its detractors, mainly from people who never played it much, or at all, to the same extent any other MMO has its haters. Even WoW, outside of gamers, has people who look down on videogames as a waste of time. Its not exclusive to RS, its just from a different group of people. Just as reenactors make fun of "farbs", and "farbs" look down on reenactors for being "stitch nazi's".

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i'm sorry sir but that is just an attack and we do not tolerate attacks on this thread, as noted in the rules in the first post:

1. You are invited and welcome to express like or dislike on articles and a particular author's writing style. It is not acceptable, however, to flame or personally insult an author. Posts that aren't anything but an attack will be removed from the topic.


Actually, it's not. It does contain valid reasons to why the article was, in his opinion, 'poorly written'. It is pretty much where I stand on reading the article. Sarcasm, I detect?

I do have a few personal reasons for why I have developed a dislike for RS, but none of those are mentioned in the article itself.

Random thought;

Do you guys think that JaGex knows much about their target audience, or is it because they want to make the game more 'fair' for the 'majority' of players, so they make controversial/unpopular updates?

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I read through the first of the articles and have to say that I agree fully. Especially this statement:
"So is Runescape really "Baby's First MMORPG"? I suppose that in many ways it is, but that's definitely not a negative thing."
It is true indeed. One of the biggest reasons to why RuneScape is as big and great as it is today is just that it is so easy to access. You can play it from pretty much anywhere, in your own browser. I find this to be awesome.

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