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14-Dec-2010 - Damage Soaking and New Hitsplats


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3rd vambs seem to be the biggest winner of this update(only gloves that soak).

bought and equipped a pair, saw 0 soak.
of course we don't know if this is an in game typo or a kb typo <_<
remember how the shields displayed 0 soak?
ugh what a troll, two sources of potential inaccuracy, gf jagex =\.

maybe I'll ask someone to try to mage max on me while i wear just the gloves.
I'm glad that hitsplats display soaking.
or else we'd have a nightmare on our hands.

I'd trust the in-game info more than KB... The guys who write knowledge base seem to always get these things wrong.

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OVERALL damage soak vs max hit of opponent for 30% soak value - only aroundd 6-7% overall damage reduction

jagex applies a weak update
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jagex makes obby shield better than DFS against ranged
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No soak for DFS isn't a typo.

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OVERALL damage soak vs max hit of opponent for 30% soak value - only aroundd 6-7% overall damage reduction

jagex applies a weak update
jagex kills prices on a few good items (DFS) without really nerfing them (people only think they were nerfed)
jagex fails KB TERRIBLy

Oh here you go again.
Barrows Melee Armour Melee soak 10% + Farseer 14% = 24%
300hit (300-200) = 24 off (8%)
400hit (400-200) = 48 off (12%)
500hit (500-200) = 72 off (~14%)
and so on where the limit is 24% obviously...

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No soak for the DFS, glad I got rid of it a long time ago. More OT, pretty lame update, I mean it's a step in the right direction but it doesn't help the problem enough.

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OVERALL damage soak vs max hit of opponent for 30% soak value - only aroundd 6-7% overall damage reduction

jagex applies a weak update
jagex kills prices on a few good items (DFS) without really nerfing them (people only think they were nerfed)
jagex fails KB TERRIBLy

Oh here you go again.
Barrows Melee Armour Melee soak 10% + Farseer 14% = 24%
300hit (300-200) = 24 off (8%)
400hit (400-200) = 48 off (12%)
500hit (500-200) = 72 off (~14%)
and so on where the limit is 24% obviously...

Yes, the limit when max hit approaches INFINITY would be 24%, since the mechanic that it only affects hits above 200 would be negligible, but in terms of how much damage it soaks overall from attacks that actually exist the number is much lower.

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OVERALL damage soak vs max hit of opponent for 30% soak value - only aroundd 6-7% overall damage reduction

jagex applies a weak update
jagex kills prices on a few good items (DFS) without really nerfing them (people only think they were nerfed)
jagex fails KB TERRIBLy

Oh here you go again.
Barrows Melee Armour Melee soak 10% + Farseer 14% = 24%
300hit (300-200) = 24 off (8%)
400hit (400-200) = 48 off (12%)
500hit (500-200) = 72 off (~14%)
and so on where the limit is 24% obviously...


OVERALL damage soak does not equal damage soaked ONLY at max hit

i averaged damage soak over all values from 0 to max hit, for each max hit value shown on the graph.

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Now the question with shields is is it better to have higher stats with no soak (such as DFS) or lower stats with soak (like obby shield)?
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lol overpowered tank. All this defense/absorbs with 26 mage def. I think I'll actually buy an eagle-eye kiteshield now, for that rare time that a mage attacks me, now that simply switching shields in combat will still give me absorb.

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Now the question with shields is is it better to have higher stats with no soak (such as DFS) or lower stats with soak (like obby shield)?


This question has already been answered in this thread. 1% soak rating is approximately 1.5 defense points.

This actually makes obby/tok shields about equal, if not better than, DFS against ranged.

lol overpowered tank. All this defense/absorbs with 26 mage def. I think I'll actually buy an eagle-eye kiteshield now, for that rare time that a mage attacks me, now that simply switching shields in combat will still give me absorb.

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even mystic will destroy you wielding an EEKS.
you need at least 100 magic defense, if not 150+, to defend properly against a mage. 26 mage defense is nothing.

this soak update doesn't really change that much.
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OVERALL damage soak does not equal damage soaked ONLY at max hit

i averaged damage soak over all values from 0 to max hit, for each max hit value shown on the graph.

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gol, learn what is talked about and try to understand it. If you don't, there is no reason to post and troll about it. Overall damage soak and damage soak at max hit are two different things- one shows how much damage is soaked overall(like divine soaks 30% and ely 17,5%, for soaks over 200 lp this is dependent on max hit) and the other shows how much the max hit is lowered.

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So have the prices of EVERYTHING gone up?

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Please don't tell me I'm making a typo now...

Zuriel's robes with a farseer kiteshield is 40% Melee absorption. Let's say that, without any damage soaking, I get hit for 800 from an AGS special attack. 800-200=600 so I will soak 40% of 600, which is 240. So instead of 800 damage, I will get hit for 560. That's an overall damage reduction of 30%?! O.O

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Do we know yet if damage soak is calculated first, or after other factors, like overhead, SOL spec, divine, etc?

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Please don't tell me I'm making a typo now...

Zuriel's robes with a farseer kiteshield is 40% Melee absorption. Let's say that, without any damage soaking, I get hit for 800 from an AGS special attack. 800-200=600 so I will soak 40% of 600, which is 240. So instead of 800 damage, I will get hit for 560. That's an overall damage reduction of 30%?! O.O


No:

that max hit is reduced 30%, but your OVERALL reduction is much more complicated to calculate. you have to average the hit reduction for all possible hits you could receive to find the OVERALL reduction.

this calculation is shown in the other thread

your overall reduction will be somewhere around 10% probably.
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Question:
We had pretty much agreed, that Dung shield was bad before the update...
Can you tell me what on earth has changed??


Dung shileds are still bad.
but
Chaotic kiteshield has been better than DFS against ranged even before teh update, and its still better than obby - so yet again, nothing changed.
right?

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Question:
We had pretty much agreed, that Dung shield was bad before the update...
Can you tell me what on earth has changed??


Dung shileds are still bad.
but
Chaotic kiteshield has been better than DFS against ranged even before teh update, and its still better than obby - so yet again, nothing changed.
right?


major change is that obby shields are comparable to DFS against ranged that hits ~500
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Question:
We had pretty much agreed, that Dung shield was sht before the update...
Can you tell me what on earth has changed??


Dung shileds are still bad.
but
Chaotic kiteshield has been better than DFS against ranged even before teh update, and its still better than obby - so yet again, nothing changed.
right?


major change is that obby shields are comparable to DFS against ranged that hits ~500

I ment concerning Dung shields alone.

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The arcane spirit shield gives no damage soaking. Does this make the farseer kiteshield overall better than the arcane spirit shield?




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