TheAncient Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 hmm.. 3a kite vs dfs, one of you statistical nubs figure it out@edit: nvm can't be, cks has better stats 3ak comparable to dfs against ranged3ak < dfs against melee3ak < dfs against mage Ever wanted to find street prices of RS items? Check out the SPOLI Index Nex Drops: Pernix Cowl, Pernix Chaps, Torva Helm, Torva Platebody, Zaryte Bow, Pernix Chaps, Virtus Robe Legs, Virtus Robe Top, Torva Platelegs, Zaryte Bow, Pernix Chaps, Virtus Robe Legs, Zaryte Bow, Virtus Mask, Torva Legs, Virtus Robe Legs, Virtus Robe Top, Virtus Robe Top, Zaryte Bow, Virtus Robe Legs, Virtus Robe Top, Virtus Robe Top, Torva Platelegs, Zaryte Bow, Pernix Body, Torva Platelegs, Torva Platelegs, Virtus Robe Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krampell Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 "It is no longer possible to hide the Dungeoneering banker underneath a marker plant." No more Deamonheim Bot trapping. Who's side are Jagex on anyway. :(Now that's just sad.Jagex seems to like to benefit botters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpx Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 hmm.. 3a kite vs dfs, one of you statistical nubs figure it out@You can't blatantly say: 'This is always better' for any of these items. To get a fair comparison you need to give a situation and the max hit, as without this information, it's impossible to give an accurate comparison. Overall, as this update doesn't significantly change anything, the shield order is more or less the same. The soak on obby shield isn't that great either when you consider already having 20% soak and the fact that range doesn't have a terribly high max hit(other than dragonfire, which may or not actually be soaked as range). First to 99 Farming on 27. September, 2005.First to 3766 Port Score on 20. March, 2014.First to 4664 Port Score on 2. March, 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Dragonfire is magic, as far as I know, and according to this depiction of a dfs attack. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberly Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Anyone else feel bad for Tip.it's Crewbies? I do. Two gigantic updates like this in one year! Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAncient Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Anyone else feel bad for Tip.it's Crewbies? I do. Two gigantic updates like this in one year! Ouch. +1 Also can we get someone to accurately compile all the soak info?Item ----------Melee soak ----- Range Soak ----- Mage soakArma HelmArma BodyArma Legs etc. Ever wanted to find street prices of RS items? Check out the SPOLI Index Nex Drops: Pernix Cowl, Pernix Chaps, Torva Helm, Torva Platebody, Zaryte Bow, Pernix Chaps, Virtus Robe Legs, Virtus Robe Top, Torva Platelegs, Zaryte Bow, Pernix Chaps, Virtus Robe Legs, Zaryte Bow, Virtus Mask, Torva Legs, Virtus Robe Legs, Virtus Robe Top, Virtus Robe Top, Zaryte Bow, Virtus Robe Legs, Virtus Robe Top, Virtus Robe Top, Torva Platelegs, Zaryte Bow, Pernix Body, Torva Platelegs, Torva Platelegs, Virtus Robe Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 A few preliminary Figures: Bandos Chestplate: +9% Range, +4% MeleeNeitiznot Helm: +2% Melee +4% RangeObby shield: +11% Range +5% MeleeDragon Square: +11% Range +5% Melee3rd Age Kite: +11% Range, +5% MeleeRune Plate: +3% Melee, +6% RangeRune Legs: +2% Melee, +4% RangeRune Kite: +3% Melee, +7% RangeRune Full Helm: +1% Melee, +3% RangeRune Chain: +3% Melee, +6% RangeRune Square: +3% Melee, +7% RangeTorag/Guthan/Verac/Dharok's Helm: +2% Melee, +5% RangeTorag/Guthan/Verac/Dharok's Skirt/legs: +3% Melee, +7% RangeTorag/Guthan/Dharok's Plate: +5% Melee, +10% RangeMystic/Dagon'hai Robebottom: +2% Melee, +1% MagicMystic/Dagon'hai Robetop: +3% Melee, +1% MagicSPIRIT SHIELDS: NO SOAK (except for Div/Ely's obviously)DRAGONFIRE SHIELD: NO SOAK! Will keep updating this list. Looks like OBBY SHIELDS are the biggest winner out of this, I managed to get 10 before they were bought out... Last night I bought 500 obby shields just to flip, looks like I made a good decision :thumbsup: Bought at 183k, min, yesterday, and they sold for max, 197k today. 8m profit overnight!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logdotzip Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 A few preliminary Figures: Bandos Chestplate: +9% Range, +4% MeleeNeitiznot Helm: +2% Melee +4% RangeObby shield: +11% Range +5% MeleeDragon Square: +11% Range +5% Melee3rd Age Kite: +11% Range, +5% MeleeRune Plate: +3% Melee, +6% RangeRune Legs: +2% Melee, +4% RangeRune Kite: +3% Melee, +7% RangeRune Full Helm: +1% Melee, +3% RangeRune Chain: +3% Melee, +6% RangeRune Square: +3% Melee, +7% RangeTorag/Guthan/Verac/Dharok's Helm: +2% Melee, +5% RangeTorag/Guthan/Verac/Dharok's Skirt/legs: +3% Melee, +7% RangeTorag/Guthan/Dharok's Plate: +5% Melee, +10% RangeMystic/Dagon'hai Robebottom: +2% Melee, +1% MagicMystic/Dagon'hai Robetop: +3% Melee, +1% MagicSPIRIT SHIELDS: NO SOAK (except for Div/Ely's obviously)DRAGONFIRE SHIELD: NO SOAK! Will keep updating this list. Looks like OBBY SHIELDS are the biggest winner out of this, I managed to get 10 before they were bought out... Last night I bought 500 obby shields just to flip, looks like I made a good decision :thumbsup: Bought at 183k, min, yesterday, and they sold for max, 197k today. 8m profit overnight!!! Considering you can only buy 10 every 4 hours, I would love it if you could tell me how you managed this. my youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAncient Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 A few preliminary Figures:Looks like OBBY SHIELDS are the biggest winner out of this, I managed to get 10 before they were bought out... Last night I bought 500 obby shields just to flip, looks like I made a good decision :thumbsup: Bought at 183k, min, yesterday, and they sold for max, 197k today. 8m profit overnight!!! Considering you can only buy 10 every 4 hours, I would love it if you could tell me how you managed this. Also they're bound to go up a lot more, since they're probably now the most economical shield to use against bosses who use ranged. Lower risk and cost than DFS with comparable strength and ranged defense. only real weakness is mage defense; melee defense is usually not a concern at bosses Ever wanted to find street prices of RS items? Check out the SPOLI Index Nex Drops: Pernix Cowl, Pernix Chaps, Torva Helm, Torva Platebody, Zaryte Bow, Pernix Chaps, Virtus Robe Legs, Virtus Robe Top, Torva Platelegs, Zaryte Bow, Pernix Chaps, Virtus Robe Legs, Zaryte Bow, Virtus Mask, Torva Legs, Virtus Robe Legs, Virtus Robe Top, Virtus Robe Top, Zaryte Bow, Virtus Robe Legs, Virtus Robe Top, Virtus Robe Top, Torva Platelegs, Zaryte Bow, Pernix Body, Torva Platelegs, Torva Platelegs, Virtus Robe Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirIzenhime Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Anyone else feel bad for Tip.it's Crewbies? I do. Two gigantic updates like this in one year! Ouch. +1 Also can we get someone to accurately compile all the soak info?Item ----------Melee soak ----- Range Soak ----- Mage soakArma Helm -------0------------------------2%------------5%Arma Body-------0%--------------5%------------------10%Arma Legs ---------0-------------------3% ---------------7% Morrigan body ------0----------------6%------------------12%Morringan legs ------0----------------4%---------------------8% Karil top----------------0---------------5%--------------------10%Karil legs ------------0----------------3%---------------------7% Black hide top ------0-------------3%--------------------6%etc. Thats all the range armor I have. So, does this make Obby shield better for dks than DFS, or will the extra defense still block more damage? Fisher/Woodcut------Me-----Miner/crafter----Stabber----Leecher ^Golvellius must be so proud^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlordjl Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 So karils has the same soak as Arma, good to know. I also was able to sell my bandos instantly at max. like 9m profit? lol Gonna buy 96+ summon. To me, thats far more valuable than bandos, which is grossly overrated. A v skirt and torso is almost as good for slayer and is much cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAncient Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Thanks for the replies so far anyone know about the odd items like 3a vambs or bandos boots? IDK why bandos is going up, the soaks are still worse than barrows lol. bandos is so overrated... Ever wanted to find street prices of RS items? Check out the SPOLI Index Nex Drops: Pernix Cowl, Pernix Chaps, Torva Helm, Torva Platebody, Zaryte Bow, Pernix Chaps, Virtus Robe Legs, Virtus Robe Top, Torva Platelegs, Zaryte Bow, Pernix Chaps, Virtus Robe Legs, Zaryte Bow, Virtus Mask, Torva Legs, Virtus Robe Legs, Virtus Robe Top, Virtus Robe Top, Zaryte Bow, Virtus Robe Legs, Virtus Robe Top, Virtus Robe Top, Torva Platelegs, Zaryte Bow, Pernix Body, Torva Platelegs, Torva Platelegs, Virtus Robe Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blutters Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Dragon Med Helm and Platelegs give as much soak as their Barrows equivalents, and Chainbody is only 1% less than a Barrows platebody... I figured they would have taken this opportunity to boost the Dungeoneering shields to their originally guaranteed stats. Wrong again... However, on Dungeoneering, do the armors within Daemonheim have damage soaking abilities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAncient Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Dragon Med Helm and Platelegs give as much soak as their Barrows equivalents, and Chainbody is only 1% less than a Barrows platebody... I figured they would have taken this opportunity to boost the Dungeoneering shields to their originally guaranteed stats. Wrong again... However, on Dungeoneering, do the armors within Daemonheim have damage soaking abilities? afaik no Ever wanted to find street prices of RS items? Check out the SPOLI Index Nex Drops: Pernix Cowl, Pernix Chaps, Torva Helm, Torva Platebody, Zaryte Bow, Pernix Chaps, Virtus Robe Legs, Virtus Robe Top, Torva Platelegs, Zaryte Bow, Pernix Chaps, Virtus Robe Legs, Zaryte Bow, Virtus Mask, Torva Legs, Virtus Robe Legs, Virtus Robe Top, Virtus Robe Top, Zaryte Bow, Virtus Robe Legs, Virtus Robe Top, Virtus Robe Top, Torva Platelegs, Zaryte Bow, Pernix Body, Torva Platelegs, Torva Platelegs, Virtus Robe Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpx Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Just got to thinking, as the only real monster that suffers from this update is corp and his attack is ridiculously high, wouldn't wearing a mixture of soaking equipment or mage armor be the best now? The most significant damage corp does is melee and mage, while using only karils will not soak melee and only using bandos will not soak magic, where as using bcp+karil skirt would fix some of that, or even better, wearing ahrims skirt+top would help tremendously, aswell. Any idea on how to estimate this impact? First to 99 Farming on 27. September, 2005.First to 3766 Port Score on 20. March, 2014.First to 4664 Port Score on 2. March, 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonewall337 Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Ancient, I know its minimal. But free damage reduction is nice, even minor. I never expected it to be great. But still, it looks cool on paper :P [hide=Drops]Araxxor Eye x1 Leg pieces x2GWD: 5000 Addy bar Steam B Staff x3 Z Spear x6 Sara. Hilt x2 Bandos Hilt x2 (LS, Solo)SS x6 (1 LS)Tormented Demons: Shard x6 Slice x5 Claws x9 Limbs x3DKS: Archer x21 Warrior x31 Berserker x30 Axe x51[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAncient Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Just got to thinking, as the only real monster that suffers from this update is corp and his attack is ridiculously high, wouldn't wearing a mixture of soaking equipment or mage armor be the best now? The most significant damage corp does is melee and mage, while using only karils will not soak melee and only using bandos will not soak magic, where as using bcp+karil skirt would fix some of that, or even better, wearing ahrims skirt+top would help tremendously, aswell. Any idea on how to estimate this impact? idk, i'm kind of skeptical because of how low the soaks are Ancient, I know its minimal. But free damage reduction is nice, even minor. I never expected it to be great. But still, it looks cool on paper :P That's not what I meant :Pbarrows items have better soak values in addition to better defense values (than bandos), so idk why people think bandos would go upexpecting a bandos crash, since tassets were already in a bubble for whatever reason Ever wanted to find street prices of RS items? Check out the SPOLI Index Nex Drops: Pernix Cowl, Pernix Chaps, Torva Helm, Torva Platebody, Zaryte Bow, Pernix Chaps, Virtus Robe Legs, Virtus Robe Top, Torva Platelegs, Zaryte Bow, Pernix Chaps, Virtus Robe Legs, Zaryte Bow, Virtus Mask, Torva Legs, Virtus Robe Legs, Virtus Robe Top, Virtus Robe Top, Zaryte Bow, Virtus Robe Legs, Virtus Robe Top, Virtus Robe Top, Torva Platelegs, Zaryte Bow, Pernix Body, Torva Platelegs, Torva Platelegs, Virtus Robe Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Den Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 IDK why bandos is going up, the soaks are still worse than barrows lol. bandos is so overrated... I guess some people like having their max hit rise by 10-17. :P ........::::: Rainy's YouTube Channel - Rainy's Twitter - Rainy's Facebook - Rainy's DeviantArt - Rainy's Tumblr - Rainy's Tip.It Profile :::::......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulli23 Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Dragonfire is magic, as far as I know, and according to this depiction of a dfs attack.I'm fighting dragons now, and actually I don't see any "damage type" icon pop up if I let myself be hit by the breadth.. @the ancients: well soaks aren't ment to reduce the "dps".. They are usefull however to reduce the KO power of certain monsters (and especially pking).. First they came to fishingand I didn't speak out because I wasn't fishing Then they came to the yewsand I didn't speak out because I didn't cut yews Then they came for the oresand I didn't speak out because I didn't collect ores Then they came for meand there was no one left to speak out for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunokiller Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 I might as well alch my farseer kite now.. My blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoli Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Also an amazing discovery I made during quests: all those both monster who "attack with XX, but you can only partially pray" simply have half (? or some other percentage) of their damage done in another stat. The last boss of do no evil for example used range + magic combo. This is usefull for picking outfits (tip it guide says it uses only magic, which made it seem mage pray + mage armour is best - however as I experienced myself and no actually saw best would be to have anti range armour with mage pray). Um, no? The final boss of the new monkey quest has a different mechanic. He is the only boss to attack with 2 styles at the same time, not only that, but he also shifts the pwoer of each style accordingly. Like, when he hits 300's with magic, he hits 5~ with Ranged and so on. The gimmick is, as the battle unfolds, the power of one decreases as the other one increases, so at times protect from magic is best while at other Protect from missiles is the optimal choice. Or so i noticed it during my battle with it, i could be wrong :unsure: OT: I hope this brings a new high level smithing update to make soaking specific armour, with high stats aswell. I was kind of disapointed for Defence itself not giving any kind of boost. I could see 99 defence giving a permanent 10-20~ish % soaking bonus on all kinds of defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpx Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 I might as well alch my farseer kite now..Neither farseer nor eagle eye shields got shafted much as they are still the only shields to offer those specific soaks. Chaotic kite, however....ouch. First to 99 Farming on 27. September, 2005.First to 3766 Port Score on 20. March, 2014.First to 4664 Port Score on 2. March, 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirIzenhime Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 If I'm thinking about this right, this makes claws even better.Notice how I'm at the begining of my claw spec animation, yet all 4 hits have already landedUnless this is different in pvp situations, this makes them more dangerousAssuming the Pheonix necklace works the same, it will be unable to catch you at low HP mid specYou will also be unable to eat before the second wave of hits, since they hit instantly All this combined with only 1 of the hits hitting about 200 usually to avoid the damage soakingCongrats claws, you've stopped crashing Fisher/Woodcut------Me-----Miner/crafter----Stabber----Leecher ^Golvellius must be so proud^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustAGamer Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 *reads update, checks his armor's stats, flips through tip's replies, goes back to dungeoneering* This changes little. :P this link kills spam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Especially if you're dungeoneering. | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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