Wilderness and free trade vote! - Now Closed

[Myweponsg00d]

Oh, believe you me, I enjoyed the old version of the Wilderness far more than the current immitation. My comment wasn't about that-- it was about the old PKers. As far as undestanding them, I did. I have done my fair share of clanning.

 

Fair enough. I don't really think that the PvP population now has any more or less "immature" people though...I do think it has LESS people TOTAL though.

 

No ****ing way. Bots are still present, but there are not dozens of bots at every fishing spot

Yes, there are.

or tree

Yes, there are.

like in past times. It's no where near as bad as it was before 12/10.

Yes...it is. I don't know what to tell you here except to log onto a F2p world sometime and see the army of automated people who march from tree to tree. They aren't botting at yews on P2P servers anymore...thats for sure. But thats only because now they have the botting technology to send armies to the green dragons.

 

Nope. Jagex is and has always been concerned with their bottom line-- money. MMG does care more about player input than the leaders of past regimes, but having played this game for ten years, I can say without a doubt that they haven't done a heel-face turn of this caliber just to please their players.

 

I fail to see how being concerned with money is any different from being concerned with the customer. Most of their money comes from customers so what is the difference?

 

The original trade update was not concerned with what people thought of the game. The update came because of legal problems or some crap like that. They got rid of free trade in SPITE of what players wanted, not because of what players wanted. Now that the legal issues (or whatever) can be handled in other ways, we can now have the game that people want.

[SwordKill11]

Appears that those who want the Wilderness and Free Trade back have a strong advantage.

 

Though, it's probably much easier to get a higher voter turnout among the "Yes" voters, seeing as many are voting for something they truly want to see return, and can easily rally around and support such an initiative. However, those who vote "No" really don't have any "exciting" reasons for their votes, as things will just stay the same, so much less people will be likely to vote/rally around a static cause.

 

I'll be happy to see the Wilderness and Free Trade return though, if the voting trend continues in this pattern. :)

[xpx]

But imo: less botting with free trade, because nowadays someone for example creates a f2p pure, bots it to 60 wc at willows, then cuts yews till like 85. Boom, good starting pk cash. With freetrade, one can just give that cash to his pure account via his main; faster.

With free trade giving people the ability to freely transfer wealthy, botting will have a major resurgence because all the RWT companies will redeploy their bots to make GP to sell.

You and some other people have it in their minds that the death of runescape is a forgone conclusion now. For me, the way rs had been going, i'd rather have a year of fun than two years of misery. This will give the it back to runescape, the it that made it special in the first place. I hate games of cuddling.

 

I'll be happy to see the Wilderness and Free Trade return though, if the voting trend continues in this pattern. :)

I think they have said that if over 5% of the active community cares about something, their opinion should be heard so...maybe 2-4 non free trade/wilderness servers for those nubs? would be respectful enough.

[Hajutze]

I think they have said that if over 5% of the active community cares about something, their opinion should be heard so...maybe 2-4 non free trade/wilderness servers for those nubs? would be respectful enough.

TBH I prefer a PvP world than the above-said .. simply because during a dagganoth task (for example) there are no people at the lighthouse .. and even if someone comes (with no protection from ranged on) they are pretty much screwed with the cannon in place and the Kurasi in hand :D

[xpx]

I think they have said that if over 5% of the active community cares about something, their opinion should be heard so...maybe 2-4 non free trade/wilderness servers for those nubs? would be respectful enough.

TBH I prefer a PvP world than the above-said .. simply because during a dagganoth task (for example) there are no people at the lighthouse .. and even if someone comes (with no protection from ranged on) they are pretty much screwed with the cannon in place and the Kurasi in hand :D

Unfortunately the feature just wasn't popular enough, although they might implement it in some way in the future(i'd love a pvp world with no death penalty, quite like the staking system was in rsc). I have friends who only trained skills on pvp servers and will highly miss them. Oh well, atleast pking will be BACK.

[lordkafei]

I think they have said that if over 5% of the active community cares about something, their opinion should be heard so...maybe 2-4 non free trade/wilderness servers for those nubs? would be respectful enough.

 

Theyve been rather up front in saying it will be an all-or-nothing implementation.

[Dax]

I still don't care either way, but now I've got more info, I'm definitely leaning more towards yes. :ohnoes:

[Hajutze]

I still don't care either way, but now I've got more info, I'm definitely leaning more towards yes. :ohnoes:

Any rational and intellectual being would vote YES (that's why I voted NO :mrgreen: )

[GottaGetDownOnfriday]

I actually might start playing again if this happens. I miss those little 25-50k stakes which made me 5-10m a day.

[JeremyM]

I actually might start playing again if this happens. I miss those little 25-50k stakes which made me 5-10m a day.

Or the 5-10m stakes which made 100m a day :)

[Artemis_42]

Seems like nobody is going to answer; why the hell has free trade/old wilderness something to do with botting actually?

 

Since nobody else is going to address this issue, I will.

 

It is certainly true that botting is every bit as prevalent as it was before free trade/wilderness pk were removed. While the overall number of bots has remained more or less the same, the purpose of these bots has shifted. Following the removal of free trade, the numerous gold farming operations that once had a significant impact on Runescape's economy largely disappeared. However, in their place we now have more sophisticated bots used for everything from mining to killing green dragons. They are simply less noticeable than before since bots are no longer primarily generic level 3 throwaway accounts to be cycled though. If free trade and open PvP were to return, there would be no reduction is the number of these types of bots. The thing is, with the return of free trade it is a foregone conclusion that the gold farmers that we no longer see will return. Thus, we will have both groups of bots, normal looking players and gold farmers, botting at the same time. Reintroducing free trade/wilderness pking will, therefor, lead to a higher number of bots than ever before.

[Matey]

Not that it really applies to me as I don't play anymore, I voted no.

 

The changes implemented back then were quite drastic, and certainly not foolproof, but I feel overall they did the job. Sure it'd be nice to have the freedom back, but I'm not sure I trust their ability to combat the issues they had if they remove the changes. They might prove me wrong, and it'd be nice if the did, but by the looks of it we'll be finding out shortly...

 

The GE without limits sounds nice though :thumbup:

[@Dan3HitU]

Hmm, this all sounds a bit too hard to believe for me, I mean... if Jagex do bring it back, the entire economy will go crazy, surely RWT would just happen again and get even more out of control than before? Surely Jagex wouldn't let that happen.

 

The only reason I see Jagex doing this is to boost more revenue for StellarDawns release.

[Racheya]

Hmm, this all sounds a bit too hard to believe for me, I mean... if Jagex do bring it back, the entire economy will go crazy, surely RWT would just happen again and get even more out of control than before? Surely Jagex wouldn't let that happen.

 

The only reason I see Jagex doing this is to boost more revenue for StellarDawns release.

I figured it was to get a few more quid in their pocket, the timing JUST before Christmas practically screams it, but I never correlated it to Stellar Dawn. Interesting idea.

[UserOnRS]

Free trade is a different matter, but does anyone think PVP now is actually better now than it was before the changes?

 

Now...

* It's more profitable

* There's no PJing or tag teaming from clans in single combat

* There's less luring as there aren't many instances where people lure from single to multi in PVP worlds

* There's less 1 itemers as they get no reward if they don't risk 76k so it's not worth it

* Untradable items are lost on death - so those who wear untradables on every slot don't lose anything

* There's teleblock in F2P

* Everyone who wants to PK are together so it's easier to find fights (and people who won't just drop a spade), you don't have to go through many servers, and there's a level requirement to enter PVP worlds.

* There's a time limit so people can't camp on the edge of the border and expect to be safe

* There's an incentive to not teleport in the middle of a fight

* There's risk vs reward for people who want to train amongst PKers

* People who want to use the wilderness for collecting runes, training slayer or boss hunters can do so without having to cut down on their equipment

* Level restrictions are more relaxed so there are more people you can fight

* You get targets so it finds a suitable opponent for you to fight

* There is something to aim for by there being hiscores for bounty hunting.

[IRDizzy]

Seems like nobody is going to answer; why the hell has free trade/old wilderness something to do with botting actually?

Since nobody else is going to address this issue, I will.It is certainly true that botting is every bit as prevalent as it was before free trade/wilderness pk were removed. While the overall number of bots has remained more or less the same, the purpose of these bots has shifted. Following the removal of free trade, the numerous gold farming operations that once had a significant impact on Runescape's economy largely disappeared. However, in their place we now have more sophisticated bots used for everything from mining to killing green dragons. They are simply less noticeable than before since bots are no longer primarily generic level 3 throwaway accounts to be cycled though. If free trade and open PvP were to return, there would be no reduction is the number of these types of bots. The thing is, with the return of free trade it is a foregone conclusion that the gold farmers that we no longer see will return. Thus, we will have both groups of bots, normal looking players and gold farmers, botting at the same time. Reintroducing free trade/wilderness pking will, therefor, lead to a higher number of bots than ever before.

 

 

But wait, weren't the normal looking bots that weren't level 3 throwaways there before the 07 changes, as well as the gold farmers? And then when the changes were made, the gold farmers went away? So... by my logic, were free trade and old wildy to be implemented again, wouldn't it just go back to about the same amount of bots as before? Perhaps fewer than before 2008 If Jagex has the tech to fight the bots better?

[iamsomebody1]

Gold will be so cheap it really wouldn't be worth even botting I'm thinking it will be about a dollar a mil if that

[SwordKill11]

I think a primary reason for this somewhat abrupt change in direction from Jagex may have partially been due to a fall in game popularity after the removal of the wilderness and free trade:

 

Of course some of these were bots, but a rather small portion (notice how the second largest data point on the graph is in the summer of 2008, long after RWT/Bots had been eliminated). I imagine these statistics were troubling to Jagex, and that it would only continue downwards if they didn't do something to shake things up and give some people a reason for playing again.

[Flodder450]

Wait

 

 

with everybody saying that the free trade will causeto scam again

 

i think they still going to keep the "[item] is worth [amount] on the grand exchange" just as a sort of guideline

[Johannas]

Surely the game's been developed too much since the original removal?

Think of all the Jagex time wasted if they scrap things now

Too far gone to go back imo. Didnt like it in the first place but got used to it, now i'm not sure i want it back...

[The Observer]

Surely the game's been developed too much since the original removal?

Think of all the Jagex time wasted if they scrap things now

Too far gone to go back imo. Didnt like it in the first place but got used to it, now i'm not sure i want it back...

 

To be honest, I wouldn't mind a small mix of the updates that were already in place. eg. PvP worlds were a unique update that made things a lot more enjoyable.

[AresArtemis]

How many people are going to quit when they ruin the GE? I guess quite a lot.

[Zygimantas]

How many people are going to quit when they ruin the GE? I guess quite a lot.

It will still be there, and more flexible than ever.

[Pete Party]

How many people are going to quit when they ruin the GE? I guess quite a lot.

1 or 2 people

[AresArtemis]

How many people are going to quit when they ruin the GE? I guess quite a lot.

It will still be there, and more flexible than ever.

but what will be the use of it when there is free trade? What I like about the GE is the fast/easy buying and selling. Dont want to spam for ages again in fally park to get those few potions i need for a slayer task.