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  1. 1. Should Jagex reintroduce free trade and the old Wilderness?

    • Yes.
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    • No.
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I really hope they dont bring back free trade.... It sucked you think merchants are bad now just wait. As far as the wild goes i dont miss it all it was people runnign away and clans.

 

lol, how were merchants bad with free trade, atleast then you didn't have to follow their prices....

 

When I traded in World 2 Falador back in 2006 and 2007, you could easily tell who was driving the price of an item up out of a group. Merchanting wasn't a huge problem before limited trade and it won't if free trade is implemented again.


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The GE didn't exist when free trade existed.

The ge came out in November 07 right? Free trade got removed in December...

Oh sorry I didn't check the damn records for exact dates. The point is still I don't think this will effect the buy/sell limits in the ge. Only no trade limits between players.

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One of the most interesting things about this vote is that 3 years and 13 days ago, Dec 10, 2007, our community stood together, as a whole, against the removal of free trade and the wild; and today here we are in the opposite situtation and our community stands harshly divided. For me those were some of the key things that defined runescape, and in a good way, and I'm for sure thrilled that they may be coming back.

 

Uh, we didn't stand as a whole against Jagex back in Dec '07. We were really divided back then, moreso than now, and the people who agreed with Jagex were probably in the majority, or at least they were making the more reasoned arguments.

This time, there's no debate, only one condition; If Jagex can fight the horde of cheaters in full 'free trade' swing, bring back free trade. If they can't, don't. It's a big bet, but I'm for it.

 

 

That is pretty much the deciding factor. Can we put our trust in them to be able to implement it right, or are they caving to the pressure?


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One of the most interesting things about this vote is that 3 years and 13 days ago, Dec 10, 2007, our community stood together, as a whole, against the removal of free trade and the wild; and today here we are in the opposite situtation and our community stands harshly divided. For me those were some of the key things that defined runescape, and in a good way, and I'm for sure thrilled that they may be coming back.

 

Uh, we didn't stand as a whole against Jagex back in Dec '07. We were really divided back then, moreso than now, and the people who agreed with Jagex were probably in the majority, or at least they were making the more reasoned arguments.

This time, there's no debate, only one condition; If Jagex can fight the horde of cheaters in full 'free trade' swing, bring back free trade. If they can't, don't. It's a big bet, but I'm for it.

 

 

That is pretty much the deciding factor. Can we put our trust in them to be able to implement it right, or are they caving to the pressure?

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I'm all for free trade, and I'm all for Jagex tracking the real value of items and I'm for the Wilderness returning for the most part.

 

However, I still don't get how Jagex is going to stop RWT enough to discourage the use of credit card fraud to make fake accounts. Are we going to start seeing enormous implementation of this fabled anti-cheating system? We know they're starting to reset stats of people using skill bots, but that's an internal matter. Do they actually believe they are now capable of noticing bot or sweat shop farming at the earliest stages that'll discourage organized crime from attempting this on RS?


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One of the most interesting things about this vote is that 3 years and 13 days ago, Dec 10, 2007, our community stood together, as a whole, against the removal of free trade and the wild; and today here we are in the opposite situtation and our community stands harshly divided. For me those were some of the key things that defined runescape, and in a good way, and I'm for sure thrilled that they may be coming back.

 

Uh, we didn't stand as a whole against Jagex back in Dec '07. We were really divided back then, moreso than now, and the people who agreed with Jagex were probably in the majority, or at least they were making the more reasoned arguments.

This time, there's no debate, only one condition; If Jagex can fight the horde of cheaters in full 'free trade' swing, bring back free trade. If they can't, don't. It's a big bet, but I'm for it.

 

 

That is pretty much the deciding factor. Can we put our trust in them to be able to implement it right, or are they caving to the pressure?

read my previous post (5 posts above)

 

 

Back then, the reason was one which we could all see. Bots were abundant showing us how abundant RWT was. We could see how widespread it was and that it would obviously have an effect on the company. Now however, they say they can get rid of these. It would be believable if the game wasn't currently full of bots and RWT already. Before we could see with our own eyes the reasoning, but now there is no proof otherwise. They claim they can stop it, but if they could, why haven't they already? It is hard to put faith in them for that reason. It is not worth changing if we will end up back as square 1 and have to change back 6 months down the line.


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There was a 19 day period between the release of the grand exchange and the removal of free trade. During those 19 days free trade and the Ge coexisted. Why wouldn't it work again like it did then?


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wildy pengs yay.

 

and log, until i see a link to that comp, it remains as speculation or /b/'s attempt to stir up trouble.

 

at the end of the day, i'd trust jagex over /b/.

 

I'd honestly weigh them both as equally possible. /b/ is typically brutal honesty, with a touch of psychotic.

 

Jagex is just known for its deceptiveness and secrecy

 

I'll look into it more myself.

 

this, I can honestly see it true either way

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In Soviet Runescape, updates vote for YOU!

 

Honestly this is just an annoyance for me: I doubt I'll be doing any more KBD slayer tasks, wildy clues will be a pain, and (Thank god I already have my qp cape) all the quests in the wildy will be more annoying than ever to complete. Meh, nothing lifechanging and I'll still play, but I prefer my gameplay free of other players attacking me (If I so choose to play that way).

 

I'm sorry you can't use the wild as a safe place to do your slayer tasks or commodity the KBD anymore. I'm sure the wild was meant to be a place to afk, grind, and skill like the rest of runescape.

 

Slayer tasks/KBD aren't in the wilderness. It helps to use examples that actually apply.

 

Most people who don't have access to kuradael would do their greater demon tasks in the volcano. Same with ankous.

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I really hope they dont bring back free trade.... It sucked you think merchants are bad now just wait. As far as the wild goes i dont miss it all it was people runnign away and clans. Let me remind those who played durring free trade and clue in those that didnt. Not only did you have to spend large amounts of time typing over and over again or posting on market place forums you often had to pay much more then the market value to the seller.

 

Merchanting was not a problem at all during free trade. Speaking from experience since I was a merchant pre-08, what a merchant bought or sold an item for didn't affect the accepted market price of that item. Unlike today, where every offer in the GE affects the price, and merch clans can buy out items to make them go up. Thus, because nobody was forced to pay the merchant's price and the community decided what the market price was, merchants were powerless to affect the economy, whether they had malicious intentions or not.

 

That being said, if the GE stays, it should have no restrictions on it. I would rather it not have a recommended price on it either, but I could live if it did. GE with limits though would defeat the entire purpose of having it in the game with free trade.

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Having finally laid at rest that there's little I can do to oppose this, it's making room for the contentment I'll feel when people get what they want and realise what a vile and crude thing 2007 actually was. People have been glorifying free trade and old Wilderness like hell these past 3 years, even the people who haven't or hardly experienced it.

 

Just you wait when those glorious days weren't as glorious as they were called. United community? I recall a community where people avidly cheered on hostile random events to kill people just so they could snatch their armour. PKing as it should? 90% of the PKing in the Wilderness consisted of killing defenceless people. Merchanting as it should? Enjoy your autotalkers or cramped fingers as people continuously repeat line after line ad nauseum to sell that Barrows armour they bought for 100K cheaper than they're advertising it. Correct prices? GE is the most correct price you can find, people were almost always over- or undercharging their products, don't expect skilling items to suddenly be affordable again. Actual risk? The only risk in 2007 was an artificially player-created risk that took advantage of newcomers' naivity and ignorance; don't honestly expect that this will breed a happier, more connected community.

 

Oh, I can't wait to see.


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Having finally laid at rest that there's little I can do to oppose this, it's making room for the contentment I'll feel when people get what they want and realise what a vile and crude thing 2007 actually was. People have been glorifying free trade and old Wilderness like hell these past 3 years, even the people who haven't or hardly experienced it.

 

Just you wait when those glorious days weren't as glorious as they were called. United community? I recall a community where people avidly cheered on hostile random events to kill people just so they could snatch their armour. PKing as it should? 90% of the PKing in the Wilderness consisted of killing defenceless people. Merchanting as it should? Enjoy your autotalkers or cramped fingers as people continuously repeat line after line ad nauseum to sell that Barrows armour they bought for 100K cheaper than they're advertising it. Correct prices? GE is the most correct price you can find, people were almost always over- or undercharging their products, don't expect skilling items to suddenly be affordable again. Actual risk? The only risk in 2007 was an artificially player-created risk that took advantage of newcomers' naivity and ignorance; don't honestly expect that this will breed a happier, more connected community.

 

Oh, I can't wait to see.

 

Not sarcasm, I honestly cannot wait :smile:

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Having finally laid at rest that there's little I can do to oppose this, it's making room for the contentment I'll feel when people get what they want and realise what a vile and crude thing 2007 actually was. People have been glorifying free trade and old Wilderness like hell these past 3 years, even the people who haven't or hardly experienced it.

 

Just you wait when those glorious days weren't as glorious as they were called. United community? I recall a community where people avidly cheered on hostile random events to kill people just so they could snatch their armour. PKing as it should? 90% of the PKing in the Wilderness consisted of killing defenceless people. Merchanting as it should? Enjoy your autotalkers or cramped fingers as people continuously repeat line after line ad nauseum to sell that Barrows armour they bought for 100K cheaper than they're advertising it. Correct prices? GE is the most correct price you can find, people were almost always over- or undercharging their products, don't expect skilling items to suddenly be affordable again. Actual risk? The only risk in 2007 was an artificially player-created risk that took advantage of newcomers' naivity and ignorance; don't honestly expect that this will breed a happier, more connected community.

 

Oh, I can't wait to see.

 

Not sarcasm, I honestly cannot wait :smile:

 

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Having finally laid at rest that there's little I can do to oppose this, it's making room for the contentment I'll feel when people get what they want and realise what a vile and crude thing 2007 actually was. People have been glorifying free trade and old Wilderness like hell these past 3 years, even the people who haven't or hardly experienced it.

 

Just you wait when those glorious days weren't as glorious as they were called. United community? I recall a community where people avidly cheered on hostile random events to kill people just so they could snatch their armour. PKing as it should? 90% of the PKing in the Wilderness consisted of killing defenceless people. Merchanting as it should? Enjoy your autotalkers or cramped fingers as people continuously repeat line after line ad nauseum to sell that Barrows armour they bought for 100K cheaper than they're advertising it. Correct prices? GE is the most correct price you can find, people were almost always over- or undercharging their products, don't expect skilling items to suddenly be affordable again. Actual risk? The only risk in 2007 was an artificially player-created risk that took advantage of newcomers' naivity and ignorance; don't honestly expect that this will breed a happier, more connected community.

 

Oh, I can't wait to see.

 

 

I doubt they're going to get rid of the GE, it will most likely turn into an auction house. The days of all the trade being in w2 fally is gone; besides, people use auto talkers NOW all the time in w2 GE, it's just as rampant now as it was back then.

 

GE correct? It takes (took) literally months for some items to finally meet their price. No longer do I have to wait 2-3 hours for freaking potions to go to DKs with because some damn merchant clan took them. People undercharge their products for a reason, fast sales... That's their choice if they want to lose out on 50k; and at least now they have an option! whereas sometimes if an item is being dumped they would have to wait weeks for their item to sell, when they would have gladly undercharged for it.

 

Not everyone understands the markets or can sit there and "snipe" an item. The GE and trade restrictions a lot of the time screwed the naive and new player.

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I don't think the community is any better today. Back then we had clue killers, today we have brawler glove killers. We still have crashers who don't respect the "first come first serve" unwritten rule. We still have d-bags, and that's not because of any rules or regulations, that's because of the maturity levels, the ages etc... Back then things started going down the hill community-wise when all the mini-clippers came.

 

 

I don't worry. I think their claims of their systems being better is crap but I'm more than willing to take on a few more bots for this.

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What the heck are you guys on about, Jagex is just bringing back free trade and the wild, not reverting the game version back to 2007. They're keeping the GE, without price limits. They're keeping gravestones. They're not going to bring back the old randoms. Yes 2007's community was majorly flawed, but so is today's. What's new.

 

All I need to know is free trade = no more godamned junk trading, manipulation clans, and unbuyable items. And full loot pvp might actually bring back some decent profit to pking, which will in turn benefit the whole economy as inevitably all/most skilling products are consumed by PvPers, and more profit = more pvpers = more demand.

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In Soviet Runescape, updates vote for YOU!

 

Honestly this is just an annoyance for me: I doubt I'll be doing any more KBD slayer tasks, wildy clues will be a pain, and (Thank god I already have my qp cape) all the quests in the wildy will be more annoying than ever to complete. Meh, nothing lifechanging and I'll still play, but I prefer my gameplay free of other players attacking me (If I so choose to play that way).

 

I'm sorry you can't use the wild as a safe place to do your slayer tasks or commodity the KBD anymore. I'm sure the wild was meant to be a place to afk, grind, and skill like the rest of runescape.

 

Slayer tasks/KBD aren't in the wilderness. It helps to use examples that actually apply.

 

Hey bro, how about wait and see where/if they relocate the monsters in the volcano, since they said they will be relocating A TON of stuff.

 

Most people who don't have access to kuradael would do their greater demon tasks in the volcano. Same with ankous.


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Someone just made a thread on the RSOF about the vote where posters could vote yes/no.

It was locked before anyone could post. 16-17-667-62065131

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Someone just made a thread on the RSOF about the vote where posters could vote yes/no.

It was locked before anyone could post. 16-17-667-62065131

haha. "official yes/no vote thread"


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I really hope they dont bring back free trade.... It sucked you think merchants are bad now just wait. As far as the wild goes i dont miss it all it was people runnign away and clans. Let me remind those who played durring free trade and clue in those that didnt. Not only did you have to spend large amounts of time typing over and over again or posting on market place forums you often had to pay much more then the market value to the seller.

 

Merchanting was not a problem at all during free trade. Speaking from experience since I was a merchant pre-08, what a merchant bought or sold an item for didn't affect the accepted market price of that item. Unlike today, where every offer in the GE affects the price, and merch clans can buy out items to make them go up. Thus, because nobody was forced to pay the merchant's price and the community decided what the market price was, merchants were powerless to affect the economy, whether they had malicious intentions or not.

 

That being said, if the GE stays, it should have no restrictions on it. I would rather it not have a recommended price on it either, but I could live if it did. GE with limits though would defeat the entire purpose of having it in the game with free trade.

 

This.

 

Merchants became far more annoying when free trade was removed. Then it became about market manipulation. Before the Grand Exchange (and yes, I know it existed for half a month before free trade was removed), prices were fairly stable and didn't change much.

 

I don't know about you guys, but I remember it being easier to get my hands on new items when free trade existed. Right now you have to go through a lot of [cabbage] in order to get items because it's easier now for merchants to buy out items than it was in the past.


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Back in 07 you believed jagex when they said (without any proof) that runescape would need to stop if free trade wasn't limited, didn't you? (BTW: the whole idea of wilderness removal was never a thing on it's own, it was only inevitable when free, player to player trade needed to be removed).

 

Why do people not believe jagex now when they say runescape CAN continue if free trade was implemented. (And face it: the removal of wildernes was a side effect that ought to be returned ASAP - they tried doing it with revenants but that failed. I have no respect or whatsoever for people who are playing to be a victim when going into the wilderness!)

 

It sounds so hypocritical.

Back then I could see all the bots and Jagex's inability to stop them. So I believed that removing wildy and free trade was a solution. Now - come oooon. Their anti-cheat system right now is pure bs. It might be better than the old one but the bots are far better then their "past selves".

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In Soviet Runescape, updates vote for YOU!

 

Honestly this is just an annoyance for me: I doubt I'll be doing any more KBD slayer tasks, wildy clues will be a pain, and (Thank god I already have my qp cape) all the quests in the wildy will be more annoying than ever to complete. Meh, nothing lifechanging and I'll still play, but I prefer my gameplay free of other players attacking me (If I so choose to play that way).

 

I'm sorry you can't use the wild as a safe place to do your slayer tasks or commodity the KBD anymore. I'm sure the wild was meant to be a place to afk, grind, and skill like the rest of runescape.

 

Slayer tasks/KBD aren't in the wilderness. It helps to use examples that actually apply.

 

Most people who don't have access to kuradael would do their greater demon tasks in the volcano. Same with ankous.

Hey bro, how about wait and see where/if they relocate the monsters in the volcano, since they said they will be relocating A TON of stuff.

 

Honestly I'm hoping they get rid of the damn place, along with every other minigame/safe area in the middle of the wild. Otherwise it'd be a pretty nice pking spot for clans.

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There was a 19 day period between the release of the grand exchange and the removal of free trade. During those 19 days free trade and the Ge coexisted. Why wouldn't it work again like it did then?

There was more time than that between the GE's release and the removal of free trade. The GE was released in the middle of October if I remember correctly, but free trade (for the vast majority**) wasn't abolished until the middle of January.

 

But you're right, it did work great together with free trade. The GE helps tremendously with being able to buy 'weird' items (ones the average person might not encounter every day) and with being able to buy a specific number of items. That's especially when dealing with small numbers of items. With free trade you'll probably only be able to easily get your items in multiples of 1k, 500 perhaps, if you can talk them into that. But do expect even numbers, because whoever you're buying it from more than likely will have an even number to sell.

 

So what item you're looking for and in what quantity is going to determine the most logical method for you to get your items from, either from the GE or via player trade.

 

 

**Brand new accounts created after the removal of the wilderness in mid December began the game with the trade limit. Everyone else was able to trade freely until mid-January.


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http://www.runescape.com/wilderness

 

 

Phase 2: Referendum

 

The number of players who registered their name on the petition and the feedback in the forums and on fan sites has shown how passionate you are about this matter. The following referendum clarifies exactly what we propose to bring back, or not, based entirely on your votes. The referendum gives you the opportunity to vote "Yes" for the return of free trade & the wilderness, "I don't mind" either way or "No" to the proposal.

 

Please read through the following carefully and log in with your account to cast your vote as well as the option to see the results of the referendum.

About Free Trade:

 

* - Unrestricted Free Trade between players

* - Unlimited staking in the Duel Arena

* - The Grand Exchange would remain, but with the lower and upper price limits removed

* - Party Room drop restrictions removed

* - Item Lending still available

* - Assist System still available

* - LootShare and CoinShare still available

 

About the Wilderness:

 

* - The Wilderness becomes a rather dangerous area again and players can kill each other for their items

* - PVP, Bounty and Bounty +1 Worlds removed (game mechanics may be re-used in the future)

* - New objects that affect combat will be analysed on an individual basis

* - Gravestones will still be used outside of the Wilderness

* - Various PVP items and gear will still be available and wont become 'rares'

* - Revenants patrolling the Wilderness will be relocated

* - Content located in the Wilderness will be reviewed as follows:

o - Quests (e.g. Spirit of Summer) and Activities (e.g. Clan Wars) will be relocated

o - Other content (e.g. Treasure Trails, the Beacon Network and D&Ds) will be looked at on a case-by-case basis

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thanks wereta lol, i was just gonna post that. anyways, edited the first page too.

 

 

also they took out the world record reference from the page.

 

 

As of now,

 

91% Yes

7% No

2% Dont mind

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