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Wilderness and free trade vote! - Now Closed

  

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  1. 1. Should Jagex reintroduce free trade and the old Wilderness?

    • Yes.
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    • No.
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    • Indifferent ...
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How many people are going to quit when they ruin the GE? I guess quite a lot.

 

They'll perfect the GE. You can simply have it update as often as you like, and there'll be no limits. If the street price flies far away from the GE price, no worries, the GE will still keep track of them and quickly catch up, and won't get in the way of trades. It will be awesome.

But will people keep using the GE when there is free trade?

 

Yep. The GE is a faster and easier system of connecting compatible buyers and sellers than standing in World 1 or 2. You don't need to hop worlds, and you can do something else while you're finding a buyer or seller.


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How many people are going to quit when they ruin the GE? I guess quite a lot.

It will still be there, and more flexible than ever.

but what will be the use of it when there is free trade? What I like about the GE is the fast/easy buying and selling. Dont want to spam for ages again in fally park to get those few potions i need for a slayer task.

Umm... exactly what you want the use to be. Which is fast buying and selling. You seem to think that with the release of free trade you won't be able to trade on the ge like you can now. It will be the same thing, just with no limits. You will actually be able to get your stuff even faster than you can now. If you really want to buy those pots you can offer as much money as you want for them, and end up getting your items faster.

I'm not very sure about that. Let's say you want to buy 2k coal, or 100 dragonstones. With the ge it's less then 10 seconds. Before you have found a person with 100 dragonstones, who is willing to sell them for a price you find reasonable... that'll take ages.

How so? There will be people from every server involved in the ge, like now. There will be certain street prices for each item, made by the players. Usually this will be the prices things will get sold/bought at. If you try to sell something at a cheap price, it will get bought faster and visa-versa. Again I repeat, GE will stay the same, just with the removal of limits.

I really hope that's true. We'll just have to wait to find out...


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Well guess I can say good-bye to running in the Wildy trying to do my clues. I don't mind the free trade, but the wildy I hate with a passion. I was extremely glad when it was gone the first time, and I'm not happy that it's going to return. If they made it so it was pk wildy in the themed worlds, I'd be happy, but since they stated it's in all worlds, I'm not happy with this at all.


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Well guess I can say good-bye to running in the Wildy trying to do my clues. I don't mind the free trade, but the wildy I hate with a passion. I was extremely glad when it was gone the first time, and I'm not happy that it's going to return. If they made it so it was pk wildy in the themed worlds, I'd be happy, but since they stated it's in all worlds, I'm not happy with this at all.

You'll get used to it ;)


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Yep. The GE is a faster and easier system of connecting compatible buyers and sellers than standing in World 1 or 2. You don't need to hop worlds, and you can do something else while you're finding a buyer or seller.

Exactly! You have said it perfectly!

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They better return the Boneyard


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I think a primary reason for this somewhat abrupt change in direction from Jagex may have partially been due to a fall in game popularity after the removal of the wilderness and free trade:

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Of course some of these were bots, but a rather small portion (notice how the second largest data point on the graph is in the summer of 2008, long after RWT/Bots had been eliminated). I imagine these statistics were troubling to Jagex, and that it would only continue downwards if they didn't do something to shake things up and give some people a reason for playing again.

 

Long live free trade~

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Well guess I can say good-bye to running in the Wildy trying to do my clues. I don't mind the free trade, but the wildy I hate with a passion. I was extremely glad when it was gone the first time, and I'm not happy that it's going to return. If they made it so it was pk wildy in the themed worlds, I'd be happy, but since they stated it's in all worlds, I'm not happy with this at all.

You'll get used to it ;)

 

Doubtful, I preferred the Revs over pkers/wannabe pkers any day.


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Well guess I can say good-bye to running in the Wildy trying to do my clues. I don't mind the free trade, but the wildy I hate with a passion. I was extremely glad when it was gone the first time, and I'm not happy that it's going to return. If they made it so it was pk wildy in the themed worlds, I'd be happy, but since they stated it's in all worlds, I'm not happy with this at all.

You'll get used to it ;)

 

Doubtful, I preferred the Revs over pkers/wannabe pkers any day.

 

Lmao you know how PvP world kids are 10x more immature then the 2007 PKing community? If I walk from varrock big bank to G.E w/o wearing anything or carrying anything, theres always some nerd[bleep] who wastes a barrage and clawspecs on me :thumbdown:

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They better return the Boneyard

 

? :P

 

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Bone_Yard

 

Wow, Shows how long I've been playing :shades:


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Well guess I can say good-bye to running in the Wildy trying to do my clues. I don't mind the free trade, but the wildy I hate with a passion. I was extremely glad when it was gone the first time, and I'm not happy that it's going to return. If they made it so it was pk wildy in the themed worlds, I'd be happy, but since they stated it's in all worlds, I'm not happy with this at all.

You'll get used to it ;)

 

Doubtful, I preferred the Revs over pkers/wannabe pkers any day.

I'm the opposite, I was never that bothered by pkers. Some people make it seem that the wildy was always full of pkers in every server. I don't remember walking around the wildy and being attacked all the time like I am by revs. Even if you know you are going to get attacked by pkers you can prepare yourself to fight them knowing you might actually get a nice drop from killing them.


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Ok, so here are some thoughts from a player who has been with this game and its community ever since its very beginning (or atleast extremely close to it) - which is me. :razz:

 

First of all - about the bots - there has always been bots and will always be. In a game like this, that requires crazy amount of grinding for highest levels, there are always people who want the easy way out. I'm not sure when there has been most bots (probably rsc, because it was so easy to bot back then), but it's hard to say if the amount is growing or not. I, however, don't really care about bots that much. They exist - some poor people even make their living with them - not really mattering to me.

 

Saying that free trade will bring all the bots back and make prices go down... Well, at some raw materials, true I suppose. However, skilling hasn't been profitable in ages anymore. So saying that would make skilling not profitable... - it never was. A bit sad - true - but not exactly changing much. The price manipulation (especially on expensive items) however drives the prices go extremely nuts. And alot of items (that are being used as junk) have very wrong price tags on them. This, in my opinion, doesn't serve anyones interests, and is hurting the economy alot more than raw materials going down a bit more.

 

Grand Exchange - being the greatest update this game has ever seen - won't be affected much at all by the free trade update. People will still keep using it, because it's faster and alot more enjoyable way to trade items. Free trade will more of have effect on trades between friends, or when trading expensive items. Those are the areas where GE is not functioning well enough.

 

All in all, only thing that concerns me, is how the "singleplaying" content (like quests and treasure trails) are going to exist in the Wilderness with the pkers. I can't imagine how annoying it would be doing some quest in wilderness while someone is trying to pk you down. Well, not like I actually did quests or treasure trails much. That being said, I voted yes. Old wilderness and free trade will bring so much more good content into the game, than it will take out. :shades:

 

 

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GE willhopefully be more like an auction house.

 

Oh I remember training prayer there too to get protection prayers...


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PS: I'm still going to get back on doing pixel signatures if free trade actually happens. So if epic pixel signature is something you've always wanted, and are willing to pay - well to say atleast a fair price - for one, send me a private message

Technically that's real world trading and will still be against the rules. Not sure quite how jagex would tell but against the rules none the less.


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Eh, free trade has a lot of potential to screw over my farming, I don't like that. Otherwise it's kinda meh to me, I don't trade much anyway. I suppose if med price kept existing (and updated a ton), it'd be good. Oh, and it'll allow people to give me stuff, lol. Anyone interested?

 

The wilderness will only affect me through clues. With coordinates gear, you always lose your clue <_<.

 

In short, I voted 'I don't mind'.


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PS: I'm still going to get back on doing pixel signatures if free trade actually happens. So if epic pixel signature is something you've always wanted, and are willing to pay - well to say atleast a fair price - for one, send me a private message

Technically that's real world trading and will still be against the rules. Not sure quite how jagex would tell but against the rules none the less.

Oh noes! :ohnoes:


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PS: I'm still going to get back on doing pixel signatures if free trade actually happens. So if epic pixel signature is something you've always wanted, and are willing to pay - well to say atleast a fair price - for one, send me a private message

Technically that's real world trading and will still be against the rules. Not sure quite how jagex would tell but against the rules none the less.

Oh noes! :ohnoes:

 

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Tip.it slave auction RETURNS?? It was kinda lame to see it take a blow from trade limitations..


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Tip.it slave auction RETURNS?? It was kinda lame to see it take a blow from trade limitations..

Ah the yearly auction! - was amazing :)


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Plus the return of the wage slaves ..... I mean w16 airs will be awesome. I remember having an addy smelting company that went really well at the Blast Furnace that became all be impossible with trade limits. I even like the idea of the Wilderness so long as it has real PKrs (guys actually risking items to make real kills), but sadly we'll just see the 1 itemer rushers all over the place.

 

Assuming the Wilderness comes back on all worlds, what are some legitimate changes to before should be made? Consider all the experiments on PvP and Bounty Worlds to help this case.

 

Here's one brought about with auto-skulling on PvP: Remove item protect prayer. EVERYONE saves one item, but non-skulled saves four items.

 

Here's another brought about from EP penalties on teleporting: NO teleporting in the wilderness if skulled.

 

Here's an oldie but goodie to stop 1 itemers: To see player kill drops, you must be risking at least 76k gp.


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Plus the return of the wage slaves ..... I mean w16 airs will be awesome. I remember having an addy smelting company that went really well at the Blast Furnace that became all be impossible with trade limits. I even like the idea of the Wilderness so long as it has real PKrs (guys actually risking items to make real kills), but sadly we'll just see the 1 itemer rushers all over the place.

 

Assuming the Wilderness comes back on all worlds, what are some legitimate changes to before should be made? Consider all the experiments on PvP and Bounty Worlds to help this case.

 

Here's one brought about with auto-skulling on PvP: Remove item protect prayer. EVERYONE saves one item, but non-skulled saves four items.

 

Here's another brought about from EP penalties on teleporting: NO teleporting in the wilderness if skulled.

 

Here's an oldie but goodie to stop 1 itemers: To see player kill drops, you must be risking at least 76k gp.

 

Even if there are 1 itemers, teleporters, etc, it will be 10x better then today's stuff going on in PvP..so ya.

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I must say that this news is already bringing out the worst in people.

Typical of TIF, atypical of the holiday season...

This is all hindsight. Everyone's already lost.

 

 

I read on these forums time and time again how much everyone hates all those "10/11/12/13/14 year olds" who "ruin the community".

People seem to be looking through, oh what's that cliche adage, extremely THICK rose-tinted glasses.

Right, if I were to in any way endorse that the "general population" consists of undesirables, at least right NOW they're not the genuinely mean kind, but rather the innocent and the ignorant and the slightly annoying.

Well no, that's not true either. We already had an inflow of the generic genuine assholistic when BH was introduced, and then again when PvP worlds came.

Enough beating around the George. Pre-trade updates, PKers and merchanters were [wagon]. [wagon] are going to come back in massive numbers and if you think the community is bad now you just wait and see.

 

At the moment PvP worlds are fine in that PKers are kept in their own little pens. Also, I'm QUITE SURE that statues and PvP gear make for more valuable drops than the old system did (rune sets and dragon scimmies!), and especially now that people use untradable weapons versus whips and godswords.

The only thing that bringing back PKing to the Wilderness on all worlds will accomplish is hurting people who want nothing to do with it, and lowering any actual gains for PKers besides.

[spoiler=I don't really like PK'ing or merchanting, despite having the means to do both.]Face it. Really, turn around, uncross your arms, tilt your gaze up, and look at it:

 

The combat system in RuneScape is pretty poor. The reason PKers don't like PvP worlds is because they can't kill innocent bystanders, only other grievers like themselves. That's really what PKing comes down to: making others lose their hard-earned items. If people really wanted to enjoy a combat game they would go player a First Person Shooter, but in most FPS one won't lose anything but perhaps a few points if one dies. This probably accounts for PKer's inherently horrible attitudes - that they must make others suffer to feel good about themselves.

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Merchanting, in the old system, was a lesser form of scamming. One would buy an item from an honest (or original) source for lower than its true value and then turn around and sell it to another person for higher than its true value. That's not providing any sort of service or constructivity - that's just ripping people off for personal gain.

 

 

 

PKers are more likely to have multiple accounts than people who are content with their single mains. The only reason that's not obvious to many people in this thread is that said people are blind to opposition.

It is unfair but there's little sense trying to talk sense on this subject, and even if I got anyone to agree, it's already been done.

 

 

Not to bring religion into this (too strongly at any rate), but it looks like a lot of people here who are outspokenly atheist are pointing to the "overwhelming majority" and declaring that because the majority wants this change, it will be good or that it should happen. It just so happens that a majority of the people in the WORLD belong to some sort of religion, so this point is a bit contradictory. To be honest I think you guys (the ones this section is referring to) will blow any which way at any given time to get or support what you want. Real lack of backbone. This really goes for trusting JaGEx or the KB or anything official too. When what JaGEx says is good for you, they're a shining pillar of truth. When what they say goes against what you want, they become some sort of backstabbing corporate monstrosity.

I really don't see why some are so excited. Divine is basically buyable in the GE. What other reason did you have need to go through junk trading routes? - Since, as above, you clearly change your tone when it suits you.

 

 

Back in "the good old days", many of us on this forum still had a lot to do in the game - the game still consisted of many new experiences and fun to be had. Now that a lot of us are maxed combat, have completed all the quests, played all the minigames, explored all of the map, conquered the strongest bosses, the game doesn't seem so bright anymore. Bring back free trade and the Wilderness is not going to bring back those days - those were one-time golden experiences.

I like the idea of free trade AND the Grand Exchange, but bringing back the Wilderness in "all of its former glory" is going to poison an already, according to some, failing community, and won't make many hopefuls truly happy.


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From experience playing this game for 10 years, I can say that what Gavati said is not an opinion. It is fact.

 

Or perhaps you share the same interpretation. If it were fact, would the community be so split about this? For sure many people have expressed their opinion in a mature an intelligent fashion, arguing the opposite of what Gavati said. Hardly seems like the poisoned community previously mentioned. As the long-term player that you are, I'm sure you remember that idiots will always be idiots, there will always be some nostalgia kiddos, the seasoned veterans, etc. Saying that the game is better off with or without an aspect of it is all subjective. None of us have the data to back that claim up, only declining google trends that everyone loves to throw around--which could have happened for a myriad of reasons not only exclusive to free trade/wilderness removal.


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