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Now that its been revealed that the frozen door trapped the last remaining Zarosian army left in Runescape and that all four major gods at the time actually said, " Hey, lets stop fighting and put that terrifying army away and then we can settle our differences." and then trapped that army behind the frozen door, I have a question. If Zaros rises and naturally if he gets back in, tries to avenge his downfall by personally removing Zamorak from his position that was once his, would the other gods aid him? Well actually, would Saradomin and his forces come to his aid to put away Zaros and keep Zamorak on his throne. I don't read up on Runescape history but I know that since that time, Armadyl only his the people from the people in the temple of Ikov at the moment and Bandos has mostly dangerous lvl 2 or 5 goblins to call upon.

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TBH; the 4 armies working together to remove any trace of Zaros seemed unlikely to me in the first place...

 

I suppose this was in the short aftermath after Zaros himself got pwned, and Team Saradomin+Armadyl and Team Zamorak+Bandos were still allies against Zaros (enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of crap)...

 

When Zaros was thoroughly gone and so were most of his supporters and followers; both teams turned on eachother again...

 

IF there is a return of Zaros, it will cause a lot of turmoil again:

Zamorak will be Zaros' first target, but there are other players like Zemouregal and Lucien who may seek to supplant Zamorak as well (or just aid him, who knows)...

 

 

Knowing Saradomin, he may just stay out of it all and deal with whoever is left after the dust settles...

 

Armadyl may yet be a god, but he has no supporters left on this world, so I doubt we'll hear so much as a peep out of him...

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All we know is Zaros was of similar stature to Guthix, but Guthix knows nothing about the guy, which leaves me to believe Zaros is some relation to Guthix, who can naturally be that powerful without relation.

 

Where actually is Zaros? I can't remember exactly...

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Wasn't there something from Guthix saying if there was another war he would end the world or something?

Maybe this is what December the 21st 2012 will be !!!!!!

I'm not sure, but wasn't there like a fight that broke out, Guthix woke up and shouted "stop", and with that everyone stopped fighting?

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You mean WHEN Zaros returns, the Chaos Elemental has sady many prophecies among some have already been fufilled (" A mahjarrat shall gather an army, He shall many masters"). Among those prophecies one tells "("(and)(Zaros shall be reborn")).

The clock is ticking, and your time is running out, mortals.

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The thing is that it does not bode well for Zamorak at this present moment, Zaros is on his way to get revenge and some of Zamorak's supposed allies are now trying to turn on him, it does mean that it'll be quite bad for Zammy. However if Saradomin decides to sit back and wait, he may find himself outmatched since Zamorak may go down too easily unless Bilrach( please tell me which of his fellow Mahjaarat are on his side) can summon something or do something to defeat Lucien who is Zamorak's biggest concern now since Zaros is not quite back and Lucien plans to overthrow him. Zaros was not liked by Saradomin in the first place and an alliance with the only other god with substantial forces would do well to keep him at bay since Zamorak seems to be a lesser evil compared to Zaros, better have a foe you can handle than one whom you fear.

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The thing is that it does not bode well for Zamorak at this present moment, Zaros is on his way to get revenge and some of Zamorak's supposed allies are now trying to turn on him, it does mean that it'll be quite bad for Zammy. However if Saradomin decides to sit back and wait, he may find himself outmatched since Zamorak may go down too easily unless Bilrach( please tell me which of his fellow Mahjaarat are on his side) can summon something or do something to defeat Lucien who is Zamorak's biggest concern now since Zaros is not quite back and Lucien plans to overthrow him. Zaros was not liked by Saradomin in the first place and an alliance with the only other god with substantial forces would do well to keep him at bay since Zamorak seems to be a lesser evil compared to Zaros, better have a foe you can handle than one whom you fear.

Surely the God who stabs another god in the back (figuratively and literally) is a greater threat? Plus who said Zaros was evil? isn't that one of things people debate?

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Lesser evil?

We don't know who was evil. Zaros could of just been a very powerful god that everyone hated. He has huge cities..

 

It is the winners in history that write the books.. They said he is evil, then there is no other point of view

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as a saradominist, ik sara would overthrow the both of em if he could. and if he can get them to destroy eachother, he would. tho based on what happened in the past, he'll prob team up against zaros.

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The thing is that it does not bode well for Zamorak at this present moment, Zaros is on his way to get revenge and some of Zamorak's supposed allies are now trying to turn on him, it does mean that it'll be quite bad for Zammy. However if Saradomin decides to sit back and wait, he may find himself outmatched since Zamorak may go down too easily unless Bilrach( please tell me which of his fellow Mahjaarat are on his side) can summon something or do something to defeat Lucien who is Zamorak's biggest concern now since Zaros is not quite back and Lucien plans to overthrow him. Zaros was not liked by Saradomin in the first place and an alliance with the only other god with substantial forces would do well to keep him at bay since Zamorak seems to be a lesser evil compared to Zaros, better have a foe you can handle than one whom you fear.

Surely the God who stabs another god in the back (figuratively and literally) is a greater threat? Plus who said Zaros was evil? isn't that one of things people debate?

Zaros isn't evil, he did what he wanted, when he wanted as far as I can make out.

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The thing is that it does not bode well for Zamorak at this present moment, Zaros is on his way to get revenge and some of Zamorak's supposed allies are now trying to turn on him, it does mean that it'll be quite bad for Zammy. However if Saradomin decides to sit back and wait, he may find himself outmatched since Zamorak may go down too easily unless Bilrach( please tell me which of his fellow Mahjaarat are on his side) can summon something or do something to defeat Lucien who is Zamorak's biggest concern now since Zaros is not quite back and Lucien plans to overthrow him. Zaros was not liked by Saradomin in the first place and an alliance with the only other god with substantial forces would do well to keep him at bay since Zamorak seems to be a lesser evil compared to Zaros, better have a foe you can handle than one whom you fear.

Surely the God who stabs another god in the back (figuratively and literally) is a greater threat? Plus who said Zaros was evil? isn't that one of things people debate?

Zaros isn't evil, he did what he wanted, when he wanted as far as I can make out.

I don't think there's a god of evil AT ALL.

 

Zaros just held a place of "Lord" of all beings, divine and mortal, when he was in power.

 

Zamorak exists as the god of power, not necessarily of evil. Yes, we usually associate Zamorak with being evil, but the reason we think that is not because Zamorak personifies evil, but because Zamorak personifies the greedy lust for power that accompanies stereotypically evil characters.

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The thing is that it does not bode well for Zamorak at this present moment, Zaros is on his way to get revenge and some of Zamorak's supposed allies are now trying to turn on him, it does mean that it'll be quite bad for Zammy. However if Saradomin decides to sit back and wait, he may find himself outmatched since Zamorak may go down too easily unless Bilrach( please tell me which of his fellow Mahjaarat are on his side) can summon something or do something to defeat Lucien who is Zamorak's biggest concern now since Zaros is not quite back and Lucien plans to overthrow him. Zaros was not liked by Saradomin in the first place and an alliance with the only other god with substantial forces would do well to keep him at bay since Zamorak seems to be a lesser evil compared to Zaros, better have a foe you can handle than one whom you fear.

Surely the God who stabs another god in the back (figuratively and literally) is a greater threat? Plus who said Zaros was evil? isn't that one of things people debate?

 

It's been hinted that Zamorak stabbed Zaros in the back through mostly luck. and that he is still afraid of him.

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The thing is that it does not bode well for Zamorak at this present moment, Zaros is on his way to get revenge and some of Zamorak's supposed allies are now trying to turn on him, it does mean that it'll be quite bad for Zammy. However if Saradomin decides to sit back and wait, he may find himself outmatched since Zamorak may go down too easily unless Bilrach( please tell me which of his fellow Mahjaarat are on his side) can summon something or do something to defeat Lucien who is Zamorak's biggest concern now since Zaros is not quite back and Lucien plans to overthrow him. Zaros was not liked by Saradomin in the first place and an alliance with the only other god with substantial forces would do well to keep him at bay since Zamorak seems to be a lesser evil compared to Zaros, better have a foe you can handle than one whom you fear.

 

Bilrach is Zamorak's most powerful ally (at least he says he is), and considering he is attempting to release Zamorak back into the world (?16,17,733,61852274"]from what we can tell of the notes we found in Daemonheim/Strange Power event) not somebody to be messed with easily (Bill also created K'ril Tsutsaroth, btw)... Yet Azzanadra (Zaros' right hand man who didn't need almost an entire millenium to contact his master) still laughs at how pathetically weak Bilrach really is, and Azzanadra has missed MANY Rituals of Rejuvination...

 

All Mahjarrat have one thing in common though; they thirst for power, ever ever more... This is what has lead Lucien to aquire himself the same weapon that Zamorak used to kill/banish Zaros and "borrow" some of that sweet ole godhood from him... On top of that, Lucien has the Stone of Jas, but if he is looking to supplant Zamorak, or just be a god himself too, who knows...

 

Zemouregal seems to be on good terms (for Mahjarrat) with both Bilrach and Lucien... This could lead one to conclude that Bilrach, Lucien and Zemouregal are in Zamorak's camp (most of all because they helped Zamorak betray Zaros)...

 

So there's turmoil going to happen... Not exactly sure who's on who's side, but Saradomin would do well by letting Zaros and his allies (theres more than just Azzanadra, think along the lines of Sliske and Ali the Wise/Wahisietel) ruin the ritual for Zamorak and his allies...

 

 

And wether or not Zaros is evil remains to be seen...

He is often referred to as The Empty Lord, and I personally believe that this refers to his morals, or rather, the lack thereof...

It might be so that Guthix is one to preserve the balance by metaphorically speaking adding a bit of weight to the left and right end of the scale when needed, where Zaros effectivly removes said weights...

 

We do not know how powerful Saradomin is as we've never seen any of his stuff surface back in lore or quests, nor do we know much of how it came to be that so many of the world today worships him... We can to some extend measure how powerful Zaros is, though... Everything that has the 'Ancient' tag is directly related to him, and considering that one of his followers granted us access to a whole new spellbook and prayerset, tells me that Zaros is at least as powerful as Saradomin...

 

The only reason why there is not much left standing of Zaros today, is because he was taken out before the godwars started and many powerful Mahjarrat switched sides from Zaros to Zamorak... If Zaros was there when the Godwars started, Sentissten would not have been rebranded as Saranthium by Saradominists, to be then laid to waste by Zamorakians into the rubble that we se today at the Digsite...

 

Hope this helped...

 

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It's been hinted that Zamorak stabbed Zaros in the back through mostly luck. and that he is still afraid of him.

 

Actually, Zaros was indeed stabbed in the back with the Staff of Armadyl (a weapon currently in Lucien's posession) by Zamorak... But even with that staff imbedded in his spine, Zaros' combat capabilities were far superior to that of Zamorak... It was when Zaros lifted Zamorak up in the air by his throat that he lost his footing and fell... When they both hit the ground, Zaros now had the staff completely through and through himself, also impaling Zamorak... The rest is history...

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The thing is that it does not bode well for Zamorak at this present moment, Zaros is on his way to get revenge and some of Zamorak's supposed allies are now trying to turn on him, it does mean that it'll be quite bad for Zammy. However if Saradomin decides to sit back and wait, he may find himself outmatched since Zamorak may go down too easily unless Bilrach( please tell me which of his fellow Mahjaarat are on his side) can summon something or do something to defeat Lucien who is Zamorak's biggest concern now since Zaros is not quite back and Lucien plans to overthrow him. Zaros was not liked by Saradomin in the first place and an alliance with the only other god with substantial forces would do well to keep him at bay since Zamorak seems to be a lesser evil compared to Zaros, better have a foe you can handle than one whom you fear.

Surely the God who stabs another god in the back (figuratively and literally) is a greater threat? Plus who said Zaros was evil? isn't that one of things people debate?

Zaros isn't evil, he did what he wanted, when he wanted as far as I can make out.

I don't think there's a god of evil AT ALL.

 

Zaros just held a place of "Lord" of all beings, divine and mortal, when he was in power.

 

Zamorak exists as the god of power, not necessarily of evil. Yes, we usually associate Zamorak with being evil, but the reason we think that is not because Zamorak personifies evil, but because Zamorak personifies the greedy lust for power that accompanies stereotypically evil characters.

 

but zamorak is the god of chaos, and imo chaos = evil. zaros is evil but not of chaotic, I think of him as the opposite of guthix

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Zaros is not the god of evil... Jagex specifically said this... He might be evil, but he is not the god of evil...

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Zaros is not the god of evil... Jagex specifically said this...

Yep.

 

I think however, in game people (npcs) say he does bad, yet some say he does good, maybe he's also a "balance" similar to Guthix.

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Seems quite a few misconceptions here.

 

The Guthixian edicts denounce that if perfect balance is broken between the two factions (those being Saradomin and Zamorak), Guthix would basically hit the big reset button and totally reshape the lands with entire disregard of anyone or anything in it.

 

That being said, back to Zaros. Zaros is not, nor was he ever, the god of evil. He has, however, quite some traits that wouldn't be very kosher. He took the Mahjarrat under his wing by promising war, while his army was said to consist of the dragon riders, demons and others.

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Zaros is not the god of evil... Jagex specifically said this... He might be evil, but he is not the god of evil...

 

well i sort of meant that he was evil in the "he wants to take over the world sense" rather then having guthix in charge... also i will edit my post to reflect what i intended to say

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Well, he did have most of the world under his command. I just think of him as a cruel strong leader, but not evil in a way. It's like said above me by TS_Stormrage, he wants balance, but under his command, be it by war or by peace. And ofcourse, if you are powerful, you do get a lot of enemies. And you quickly get the connotation "bad" if those enemies overthrew you, still fear you and try to wipe every aspect of you off the world.

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Seems quite a few misconceptions here.

 

The Guthixian edicts denounce that if perfect balance is broken between the two factions (those being Saradomin and Zamorak), Guthix would basically hit the big reset button and totally reshape the lands with entire disregard of anyone or anything in it.

 

That being said, back to Zaros. Zaros is not, nor was he ever, the god of evil. He has, however, quite some traits that wouldn't be very kosher. He took the Mahjarrat under his wing by promising war, while his army was said to consist of the dragon riders, demons and others.

Speaking of misconceptions, the Guthixian edicts have nothing to do with balance between the two factions. The edicts forbid direct intervention in Runescape by a god, in an effort to prevent another God War. Has nothing to do with humans or mortals at all unless they're trying to bring a god back into this plane (see: Azzandra, Bilrach).

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Seems quite a few misconceptions here.

 

The Guthixian edicts denounce that if perfect balance is broken between the two factions (those being Saradomin and Zamorak), Guthix would basically hit the big reset button and totally reshape the lands with entire disregard of anyone or anything in it.

 

That being said, back to Zaros. Zaros is not, nor was he ever, the god of evil. He has, however, quite some traits that wouldn't be very kosher. He took the Mahjarrat under his wing by promising war, while his army was said to consist of the dragon riders, demons and others.

Speaking of misconceptions, the Guthixian edicts have nothing to do with balance between the two factions. The edicts forbid direct intervention in Runescape by a god, in an effort to prevent another God War. Has nothing to do with humans or mortals at all unless they're trying to bring a god back into this plane (see: Azzandra, Bilrach).

 

That's odd, considering the one time Guthixian edicts are mentioned ingame, it's when the royal advisor in Varrock forbids intervention in Burgh de Rott due to setting off the Edicts. This had nothing to do with Saradomin or Zamorak directly intervening, but simply crossing the River Salve by a Varrockian army.

 

What you are mentioning is a law Guthix imposed on other Gods, but it's not the Edict of Guthix.

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I'm pretty confused by people who claim Zaros isn't evil. We know that Zaros:

 

-Disdains modern "prayers" in favour of "curses".

-Was an enemy of not only Saradomin, who is somehow popular to dislike recently, but also Armadyl, whose primary tenet is justice.

-Employed demons, vampires, etc in his army.

-Stole the allegiance of the Mahjarrat, all of whom seem to view humans like bugs, by promising them war.

-Appointed the likes of Zamorak and Azzanadra as his most trusted lieutenants.

 

Now sure, there are lots of things we don't yet know about Zaros. But I think that even with indirect evidence, his track record is pretty clear. When people say things like "He wasn't evil, just strong and cruel" -- er, what definition of evil are you using exactly?

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I'm pretty confused by people who claim Zaros isn't evil. We know that Zaros:

 

-Disdains modern "prayers" in favour of "curses".

-Was an enemy of not only Saradomin, who is somehow popular to dislike recently, but also Armadyl, whose primary tenet is justice.

-Employed demons, vampires, etc in his army.

-Stole the allegiance of the Mahjarrat, all of whom seem to view humans like bugs, by promising them war.

-Appointed the likes of Zamorak and Azzanadra as his most trusted lieutenants.

 

Now sure, there are lots of things we don't yet know about Zaros. But I think that even with indirect evidence, his track record is pretty clear. When people say things like "He wasn't evil, just strong and cruel" -- er, what definition of evil are you using exactly?

Firstly, the Ancient Curses aren't Zaros's own Prayers, also, Jagex have said Zaros is not evil, only the empty lord.

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I'm pretty confused by people who claim Zaros isn't evil. We know that Zaros:

 

-Disdains modern "prayers" in favour of "curses".

-Was an enemy of not only Saradomin, who is somehow popular to dislike recently, but also Armadyl, whose primary tenet is justice.

-Employed demons, vampires, etc in his army.

-Stole the allegiance of the Mahjarrat, all of whom seem to view humans like bugs, by promising them war.

-Appointed the likes of Zamorak and Azzanadra as his most trusted lieutenants.

 

Now sure, there are lots of things we don't yet know about Zaros. But I think that even with indirect evidence, his track record is pretty clear. When people say things like "He wasn't evil, just strong and cruel" -- er, what definition of evil are you using exactly?

Firstly, the Ancient Curses aren't Zaros's own Prayers, also, Jagex have said Zaros is not evil, only the empty lord.

 

There's a huge difference between saying he's not the god of evil, and saying he's not evil.

 

I could say that Armadyl is not the god "of" good. While that's a true statement, if he represents justice I'd say he's probably still decently good.

 

Similarly, Zaros being the "empty lord" doesn't in any way prevent him from being evil. It could easily mean that he supports "emptying" the world of all peace, love and happiness.

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