Godsword Discussion

[TheAncient]

oh, i thought of a use for godswords: flipping

 

the ONLY combat use in which godswords are "good" - not even the best - is BGS for nex/corp. AGS pking sucks. SGS is useful in like 1% of situations. ZGS sucks.

 

1. Takes ages to get a Chaotic Weapon, whereas with godswords the only time spent is on getting the cash and buying it (you can resell and reclaim your geepees)

You can get a chaotic weapon in 4 hours at 120DG. At 100 DG you can still get one in less than 10.

2. Funny how i haven't seen anyone CLS rushing recently, but i'm pretty much always getting 1 item AGS rushed

Funny how you don't mention the maul.

3. No special attacks, therefore no bonuses at all past the decent stats

That's like saying a spatula is bad for poking things with. Spec weapons are for specs, main weapons are for stats.

[Quyneax]

Godswords are pretty sucky but with a Zaros hilt they become one-handed and dart speed, so you better get a good supply of blades, they're going up :P.

 

(just a suggestion I read on an earlier thread about godswords, iirc)

[gremmy]

Should've posted this a year or two ago. They're outdated ('cept bgs).

 

As everyone knows, godswords are one of the best weapons in runescape,

No.

 

/thread

 

No.

 

They're still some of the best weapons, they're just outperformed by claws, chaotics, eee, whip etc. Still a top 10.

 

No.

 

maul rapier cls whip claws eee korasi dds swh vls.

 

Err, who uses swh, vls and dds for a primary weapon?

 

My point is that they don't suck, there are just better alternatives.

[Quyneax]

Suck is relative, and the thing with the godsword is that there are alternatives that perform better, are easier to obtain/cost less/have lower requirements. It's not like the dragon scimitar, which probably sucks but at least is the best at its level.

[TheAncient]

Should've posted this a year or two ago. They're outdated ('cept bgs).

 

As everyone knows, godswords are one of the best weapons in runescape,

No.

 

/thread

 

No.

 

They're still some of the best weapons, they're just outperformed by claws, chaotics, eee, whip etc. Still a top 10.

 

No.

 

maul rapier cls whip claws eee korasi dds swh vls.

 

Err, who uses swh, vls and dds for a primary weapon?

 

My point is that they don't suck, there are just better alternatives.

 

 

 

 

To be fair, you could say bronze daggers don't suck because they're just an alternative to rune daggers

[gremmy]

Corp vid: Zamorakian spear is better, and swh is used there as a special weapon (secondary)

Brohamed: Vls as special (secondary)

DDS: Spec weapon

 

Err, who uses swh, vls and dds for a primary weapon?

 

Alright, godswords may not be in the top 10 (I just threw that out there). But for people who don't have chaotics, they don't "suck".

[TheAncient]

Corp vid: Zamorakian spear is better, and swh is used there as a special weapon (secondary)

Brohamed: Vls as special (secondary)

DDS: Spec weapon

 

Err, who uses swh, vls and dds for a primary weapon?

 

Alright, godswords may not be in the top 10 (I just threw that out there). But for people who don't have chaotics, they don't "suck".

 

I ignored the word "primary" because there's no reason to include that limitation. Outside of duelling, there is no restriction that prevents you from speccing. You can't just ignore the spec aspects, or else BGS=ZGS=AGS=SGS.

 

Even if you include the word primary, whip is still better normal (non-spec) DPS in like 90% of cases, even for lower levels. It's also cheaper, 1-handed, has less overkill loss, etc. Also, ZS, SS, KS are better in certain cases.

[Myu]

Bgs for strength training?

[TheAncient]

Bgs for strength training?

 

Dragon scim is probably better

[Quyneax]

Bgs for strength training?

 

Dragon scim is probably better

Hell, I'd put dds ahead of bgs, lol. Depends on your gear, of course, but yeah, godswords suck.

[Blyaunte]

Bgs for strength training?

 

Dragon scim is probably better

 

Most definitely. BGS is WAY to slow for training strength.

 

That said, I love my SGS for certain slayer tasks. SGS + Soul Split = Awesome!

 

IMO ...

:shades:

[Nifflin]

Bgs for strength training?

 

Dragon scim is probably better

 

I bet dragon dagger is better.

[ranqe]

i would use a sgs if i didnt have a healing fam / (e)ee

 

and thats about it

[bedman]

Actually, Godswords can be useful to lower levels, as when your attacking stuff with high defense, the higher accuracy and strength bonus makes it more useful then a whip. But yeah, godswords really aren't that useful, and are definitely NOT the preferred weapon of choice for high levels.

If that's the case, use a chaotic maul :-)

[SirIzenhime]

Should've posted this a year or two ago. They're outdated ('cept bgs).

 

As everyone knows, godswords are one of the best weapons in runescape,

No.

 

/thread

 

No.

 

They're still some of the best weapons, they're just outperformed by claws, chaotics, eee, whip etc. Still a top 10.

 

No.

 

maul rapier cls whip claws eee korasi dds swh vls.

 

Replace EEE with Bandos goodsword...because be honest here...once you have soul split...EEE has even less uses then BGS (which only has corp)

Godswords are decent weapons, there's no way you can deny that. Just because there are weapons that are better then them, does not mean they suddenly suck altogether.

Godswords are actually great bossing weapons for lower levels or people who don't have chaotics yet (depends on the boss of course), since they actually need the accuracy.

PVP weapons are not used by the average player.....and please...don't ignore the word average there and post videos of Top Boss hunters, or top Pkers....People who do "pro" corp, are not average.

[GuidesForScapers]

oh, i thought of a use for godswords: flipping

 

the ONLY combat use in which godswords are "good" - not even the best - is BGS for nex/corp. AGS pking sucks. SGS is useful in like 1% of situations. ZGS sucks.

 

1. Takes ages to get a Chaotic Weapon, whereas with godswords the only time spent is on getting the cash and buying it (you can resell and reclaim your geepees)

You can get a chaotic weapon in 4 hours at 120DG. At 100 DG you can still get one in less than 10.

2. Funny how i haven't seen anyone CLS rushing recently, but i'm pretty much always getting 1 item AGS rushed

Funny how you don't mention the maul.

3. No special attacks, therefore no bonuses at all past the decent stats

That's like saying a spatula is bad for poking things with. Spec weapons are for specs, main weapons are for stats.

Didn't mention the maul because i forgot, i have never been rushed by that either.

 

Oh, thanks for the information on how quick it is to get the chaotic weapons after spending months to get the levels necessary to do so.

 

Why can't a weapon be good for both stats and special attacks?

[wioneo]

1. Takes ages to get a Chaotic Weapon, whereas with godswords the only time spent is on getting the cash and buying it (you can resell and reclaim your geepees)

You can get a chaotic weapon in 4 hours at 120DG. At 100 DG you can still get one in less than 10.

2. Funny how i haven't seen anyone CLS rushing recently, but i'm pretty much always getting 1 item AGS rushed

Funny how you don't mention the maul.

3. No special attacks, therefore no bonuses at all past the decent stats

That's like saying a spatula is bad for poking things with. Spec weapons are for specs, main weapons are for stats.

 

Is that a joke or willful ignorance to prove your point?

[Unknown_Warrior]

While most claim Chaotic weaponry or Whip is better, it can be. However, people here are intrinsically forgetting both requirements and defence of enemies to make that statement.

 

BGS is actually useful to me. For Tormented Demons. I am (was) a frequent TD-killer and I was noticing a HUGE difference in damage between BGS and Whip and DHally, both of which fall short of supplying me with the melee offence I needed at TD. DHally didn't hit. At all. Specs were usually 150 damage "behemoths" and didn't even hit 90% of the time. Whip does indeed hit rapidly fast, but when it's only hitting 30% of the time, speed loses its appeal. BGS, which hit about 60% of the time and hits high, was a welcome change.

And I don't have the 78/78 Att/Str requirement for Korasi's. Let alone the 80/80 for Chaotic weapons.

 

People are quick to jump and say: "Godswords are useless in all situations", but don't consider people like me who can't wear better alternatives nor do enough damage with the alternatives that are only better at later levels. Of course, you can retort with: "Well, train up noob" (as happened many times before), but that can be applied to EVERYTHING in this game and doesn't help one bit.

[pulli23]

I hate how runescape always tends to become a monotonous 1 weapon-best-the-rest-can't-even-be-considered feast.

[Nifflin]

I hate how runescape always tends to become a monotonous 1 weapon-best-the-rest-can't-even-be-considered feast.

 

I love it, it's what's causing this Torva panic that I'm profiting from so much.

[TheAncient]

1. Takes ages to get a Chaotic Weapon, whereas with godswords the only time spent is on getting the cash and buying it (you can resell and reclaim your geepees)

You can get a chaotic weapon in 4 hours at 120DG. At 100 DG you can still get one in less than 10.

2. Funny how i haven't seen anyone CLS rushing recently, but i'm pretty much always getting 1 item AGS rushed

Funny how you don't mention the maul.

3. No special attacks, therefore no bonuses at all past the decent stats

That's like saying a spatula is bad for poking things with. Spec weapons are for specs, main weapons are for stats.

 

Is that a joke or willful ignorance to prove your point?

 

I'm willing to bet you 500M that I can get a chaotic within one day, with a full night's sleep. It's easy. With the best teams you can consistently get 20 minute floors, at 200K xp each. That's 600K xp an hour.

 

At 105 DG, I can get 130K a floor at roughly 30 minutes a floor, which is ~250K an hour. That's 8 hours.

 

Do some research before you call someone ignorant

 

Even for low levels, whip+defender can be comparable to, most likely better than, BGS for dps even against moderate defense. Whip is much cheaper which is a significant consideration for lower levels.

 

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I just did a calculation for whip+defender vs BGS in pvp assuming level 75 stats, nooby gear. Even at ~30% accuracy, whip has a noticeable DPS advantage - 18.37 - versus BGS at 17.65.

 

so lol. it is useless even as a non-spec wep.

 

i guess the ONLY non-spec gs has is TD's if you're too slow to switch with whip

 

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I hate how runescape always tends to become a monotonous 1 weapon-best-the-rest-can't-even-be-considered feast.

 

It isn't, lol, in fact weapons are much more diverse than before. before it was whip was superior to everything and now you have to consider CLS/Maul/Rapier and not to mention the huge diversity in spec weapons.

[SirIzenhime]

1. Takes ages to get a Chaotic Weapon, whereas with godswords the only time spent is on getting the cash and buying it (you can resell and reclaim your geepees)

You can get a chaotic weapon in 4 hours at 120DG. At 100 DG you can still get one in less than 10.

2. Funny how i haven't seen anyone CLS rushing recently, but i'm pretty much always getting 1 item AGS rushed

Funny how you don't mention the maul.

3. No special attacks, therefore no bonuses at all past the decent stats

That's like saying a spatula is bad for poking things with. Spec weapons are for specs, main weapons are for stats.

 

Is that a joke or willful ignorance to prove your point?

 

I'm willing to bet you 500M that I can get a chaotic within one day, with a full night's sleep. It's easy. With the best teams you can consistently get 20 minute floors, at 200K xp each. That's 600K xp an hour.

 

At 105 DG, I can get 130K a floor at roughly 30 minutes a floor, which is ~250K an hour. That's 8 hours.

 

Even for low levels, whip+defender can be comparable to, most likely better than, BGS for dps even against moderate defense. Whip is much cheaper which is a significant consideration for lower levels.

 

Heh...you missed the point there...didn't ya?

[TheAncient]

[hide]

1. Takes ages to get a Chaotic Weapon, whereas with godswords the only time spent is on getting the cash and buying it (you can resell and reclaim your geepees)

You can get a chaotic weapon in 4 hours at 120DG. At 100 DG you can still get one in less than 10.

2. Funny how i haven't seen anyone CLS rushing recently, but i'm pretty much always getting 1 item AGS rushed

Funny how you don't mention the maul.

3. No special attacks, therefore no bonuses at all past the decent stats

That's like saying a spatula is bad for poking things with. Spec weapons are for specs, main weapons are for stats.

 

Is that a joke or willful ignorance to prove your point?

 

I'm willing to bet you 500M that I can get a chaotic within one day, with a full night's sleep. It's easy. With the best teams you can consistently get 20 minute floors, at 200K xp each. That's 600K xp an hour.

 

At 105 DG, I can get 130K a floor at roughly 30 minutes a floor, which is ~250K an hour. That's 8 hours.

 

Even for low levels, whip+defender can be comparable to, most likely better than, BGS for dps even against moderate defense. Whip is much cheaper which is a significant consideration for lower levels.

[/hide]

Heh...you missed the point there...didn't ya?

 

To be fair, the fact that chaotic weaponry is a sunk cost is irrelevant or inconsequential. It's not as if you are able to utilize the value of the weapon in addition to the combat utility of the weapon. You can only have one at a time. Moreover, your main melee weapon is not something you will sell in the short run. Also, looking at the rate at which GS are deflating in price, I would hardly say they keep their value well.

 

At any rate, the main downsides of GS have not been refuted. GS is terrible for basically everything.

[SirIzenhime]

what....?

No, that's not what people are saying at all....

Getting a chaotic takes longer then 10 hours to get when you're starting at level 1...you know...like EVERYONE does.

 

You're basing the it takes to get chaotics on the level you have, and you can't do that for the general population, because the general population doesn't have anywhere near 100+ dung, so they can't get a chaotic in anything even close to a day.

 

It takes weeks, up to a month for some people, to get their first chaotic item

 

The godswords are good for low levels when it's all they can use.

 

Someone with 75 attack is nearly useless at General Grarrdor when they use a whip.. Only when they get in the high 80s+ does a whip become better.

[TheAncient]

what....?

No, that's not what people are saying at all....

Getting a chaotic takes longer then 10 hours to get when you're starting at level 1...you know...like EVERYONE does.

 

You're basing the it takes to get chaotics on the level you have, and you can't do that for the general population, because the general population doesn't have anywhere near 100+ dung, so they can't get a chaotic in anything even close to a day.

 

It takes weeks, up to a month for some people, to get their first chaotic item

 

Yeah your first chaotic sucks but they get exponentially easier. High DG levels are available to basically anyone combat 100+ who can DG. I think it's fair to assume a base level of competency here - I'm not going to set my assumptions to be unreasonably low. Fast, efficient floors are not by definition limited to high level dungeoneers.

 

And you're ignoring the fact that it is still fast. I just showed you the best case scenario, and it is indeed outrageously fast. If people DG with competent people and not 117, you can average 40 minutes a floor and ~60-70K xp each, or 20 hours to get a chaotic. This can still be done in 2 days. Assuming a low level makes ~500K an hour, this is still faster than getting a BGS, let alone AGS/SGS.

 

AGAIN, all of this is irrelevant since in addition to all of these points, GS are just BAD for dps.