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oh, i thought of a use for godswords: flipping

the ONLY combat use in which godswords are "good" - not even the best - is BGS for nex/corp. AGS pking sucks. SGS is useful in like 1% of situations. ZGS sucks.


1. Takes ages to get a Chaotic Weapon, whereas with godswords the only time spent is on getting the cash and buying it (you can resell and reclaim your geepees)
You can get a chaotic weapon in 4 hours at 120DG. At 100 DG you can still get one in less than 10.
2. Funny how i haven't seen anyone CLS rushing recently, but i'm pretty much always getting 1 item AGS rushed
Funny how you don't mention the maul.
3. No special attacks, therefore no bonuses at all past the decent stats
That's like saying a spatula is bad for poking things with. Spec weapons are for specs, main weapons are for stats.

Didn't mention the maul because i forgot, i have never been rushed by that either.

Oh, thanks for the information on how quick it is to get the chaotic weapons after spending months to get the levels necessary to do so.

Why can't a weapon be good for both stats and special attacks?
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1. Takes ages to get a Chaotic Weapon, whereas with godswords the only time spent is on getting the cash and buying it (you can resell and reclaim your geepees)
You can get a chaotic weapon in 4 hours at 120DG. At 100 DG you can still get one in less than 10.

2. Funny how i haven't seen anyone CLS rushing recently, but i'm pretty much always getting 1 item AGS rushed
Funny how you don't mention the maul.
3. No special attacks, therefore no bonuses at all past the decent stats
That's like saying a spatula is bad for poking things with. Spec weapons are for specs, main weapons are for stats.


Is that a joke or willful ignorance to prove your point?

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While most claim Chaotic weaponry or Whip is better, it can be. However, people here are intrinsically forgetting both requirements and defence of enemies to make that statement.

BGS is actually useful to me. For Tormented Demons. I am (was) a frequent TD-killer and I was noticing a HUGE difference in damage between BGS and Whip and DHally, both of which fall short of supplying me with the melee offence I needed at TD. DHally didn't hit. At all. Specs were usually 150 damage "behemoths" and didn't even hit 90% of the time. Whip does indeed hit rapidly fast, but when it's only hitting 30% of the time, speed loses its appeal. BGS, which hit about 60% of the time and hits high, was a welcome change.
And I don't have the 78/78 Att/Str requirement for Korasi's. Let alone the 80/80 for Chaotic weapons.

People are quick to jump and say: "Godswords are useless in all situations", but don't consider people like me who can't wear better alternatives nor do enough damage with the alternatives that are only better at later levels. Of course, you can retort with: "Well, train up noob" (as happened many times before), but that can be applied to EVERYTHING in this game and doesn't help one bit.

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I hate how runescape always tends to become a monotonous 1 weapon-best-the-rest-can't-even-be-considered feast.

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and I didn't speak out because I wasn't fishing

Then they came to the yews
and I didn't speak out because I didn't cut yews

Then they came for the ores
and I didn't speak out because I didn't collect ores

Then they came for me
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I hate how runescape always tends to become a monotonous 1 weapon-best-the-rest-can't-even-be-considered feast.


I love it, it's what's causing this Torva panic that I'm profiting from so much.

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1. Takes ages to get a Chaotic Weapon, whereas with godswords the only time spent is on getting the cash and buying it (you can resell and reclaim your geepees)
You can get a chaotic weapon in 4 hours at 120DG. At 100 DG you can still get one in less than 10.

2. Funny how i haven't seen anyone CLS rushing recently, but i'm pretty much always getting 1 item AGS rushed
Funny how you don't mention the maul.
3. No special attacks, therefore no bonuses at all past the decent stats
That's like saying a spatula is bad for poking things with. Spec weapons are for specs, main weapons are for stats.


Is that a joke or willful ignorance to prove your point?


I'm willing to bet you 500M that I can get a chaotic within one day, with a full night's sleep. It's easy. With the best teams you can consistently get 20 minute floors, at 200K xp each. That's 600K xp an hour.

At 105 DG, I can get 130K a floor at roughly 30 minutes a floor, which is ~250K an hour. That's 8 hours.

Do some research before you call someone ignorant

Even for low levels, whip+defender can be comparable to, most likely better than, BGS for dps even against moderate defense. Whip is much cheaper which is a significant consideration for lower levels.

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I just did a calculation for whip+defender vs BGS in pvp assuming level 75 stats, nooby gear. Even at ~30% accuracy, whip has a noticeable DPS advantage - 18.37 - versus BGS at 17.65.

so lol. it is useless even as a non-spec wep.

i guess the ONLY non-spec gs has is TD's if you're too slow to switch with whip

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I hate how runescape always tends to become a monotonous 1 weapon-best-the-rest-can't-even-be-considered feast.


It isn't, lol, in fact weapons are much more diverse than before. before it was whip was superior to everything and now you have to consider CLS/Maul/Rapier and not to mention the huge diversity in spec weapons.
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1. Takes ages to get a Chaotic Weapon, whereas with godswords the only time spent is on getting the cash and buying it (you can resell and reclaim your geepees)
You can get a chaotic weapon in 4 hours at 120DG. At 100 DG you can still get one in less than 10.

2. Funny how i haven't seen anyone CLS rushing recently, but i'm pretty much always getting 1 item AGS rushed
Funny how you don't mention the maul.
3. No special attacks, therefore no bonuses at all past the decent stats
That's like saying a spatula is bad for poking things with. Spec weapons are for specs, main weapons are for stats.


Is that a joke or willful ignorance to prove your point?


I'm willing to bet you 500M that I can get a chaotic within one day, with a full night's sleep. It's easy. With the best teams you can consistently get 20 minute floors, at 200K xp each. That's 600K xp an hour.

At 105 DG, I can get 130K a floor at roughly 30 minutes a floor, which is ~250K an hour. That's 8 hours.

Even for low levels, whip+defender can be comparable to, most likely better than, BGS for dps even against moderate defense. Whip is much cheaper which is a significant consideration for lower levels.


Heh...you missed the point there...didn't ya?

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Heh...you missed the point there...didn't ya?


To be fair, the fact that chaotic weaponry is a sunk cost is irrelevant or inconsequential. It's not as if you are able to utilize the value of the weapon in addition to the combat utility of the weapon. You can only have one at a time. Moreover, your main melee weapon is not something you will sell in the short run. Also, looking at the rate at which GS are deflating in price, I would hardly say they keep their value well.

At any rate, the main downsides of GS have not been refuted. GS is terrible for basically everything.
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what....?
No, that's not what people are saying at all....
Getting a chaotic takes longer then 10 hours to get when you're starting at level 1...you know...like EVERYONE does.

You're basing the it takes to get chaotics on the level you have, and you can't do that for the general population, because the general population doesn't have anywhere near 100+ dung, so they can't get a chaotic in anything even close to a day.

It takes weeks, up to a month for some people, to get their first chaotic item

The godswords are good for low levels when it's all they can use.

Someone with 75 attack is nearly useless at General Grarrdor when they use a whip.. Only when they get in the high 80s+ does a whip become better.

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what....?
No, that's not what people are saying at all....
Getting a chaotic takes longer then 10 hours to get when you're starting at level 1...you know...like EVERYONE does.

You're basing the it takes to get chaotics on the level you have, and you can't do that for the general population, because the general population doesn't have anywhere near 100+ dung, so they can't get a chaotic in anything even close to a day.

It takes weeks, up to a month for some people, to get their first chaotic item


Yeah your first chaotic sucks but they get exponentially easier. High DG levels are available to basically anyone combat 100+ who can DG. I think it's fair to assume a base level of competency here - I'm not going to set my assumptions to be unreasonably low. Fast, efficient floors are not by definition limited to high level dungeoneers.

And you're ignoring the fact that it is still fast. I just showed you the best case scenario, and it is indeed outrageously fast. If people DG with competent people and not 117, you can average 40 minutes a floor and ~60-70K xp each, or 20 hours to get a chaotic. This can still be done in 2 days. Assuming a low level makes ~500K an hour, this is still faster than getting a BGS, let alone AGS/SGS.

AGAIN, all of this is irrelevant since in addition to all of these points, GS are just BAD for dps.
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oh, i thought of a use for godswords: flipping

the ONLY combat use in which godswords are "good" - not even the best - is BGS for nex/corp. AGS pking sucks. SGS is useful in like 1% of situations. ZGS sucks.


1. Takes ages to get a Chaotic Weapon, whereas with godswords the only time spent is on getting the cash and buying it (you can resell and reclaim your geepees)
You can get a chaotic weapon in 4 hours at 120DG. At 100 DG you can still get one in less than 10.
2. Funny how i haven't seen anyone CLS rushing recently, but i'm pretty much always getting 1 item AGS rushed
Funny how you don't mention the maul.
3. No special attacks, therefore no bonuses at all past the decent stats
That's like saying a spatula is bad for poking things with. Spec weapons are for specs, main weapons are for stats.


That's the equivalent of saying "Buying a house is cheap. It's only $300,000. Bill Gates can make that in an hour". You're completely disregarding the process of getting to 100 or 120 DG in the first place.

Think my comparison is too farfetched? According to Jagex, there are more than 10M accounts. That means that 0.000027% of the accounts have 120 Dungeoneering. 0.000388% have 100 Dungeoneering. If we consider that there are about 2M actual players, that boils down to 0.000135% for 120 DG, 0.001939% for 100 DG. By comparison, 0.3% of the Americans have a salary of $1,000,000+ a year.

There's lots of things I can stand, but spreading false or misconstrued answers isn't one of them.

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what....?
No, that's not what people are saying at all....
Getting a chaotic takes longer then 10 hours to get when you're starting at level 1...you know...like EVERYONE does.

You're basing the it takes to get chaotics on the level you have, and you can't do that for the general population, because the general population doesn't have anywhere near 100+ dung, so they can't get a chaotic in anything even close to a day.

It takes weeks, up to a month for some people, to get their first chaotic item

The godswords are good for low levels when it's all they can use.

Someone with 75 attack is nearly useless at General Grarrdor when they use a whip.. Only when they get in the high 80s+ does a whip become better.


What they said.

I think I'm somewhere around level 50 dung(also f2p, but that is temporary).

If you're saying that it is possible(scratch that *practicle*) for ME, to get any chaotic weapon within the next 10 waking hours, then I will respectfully retract my last statement, but considering that I personally have spent well over 10 hours on this skill(granted during the first week or so), and am pretty sure that I don't even have half of the experience required to use any chaotic weapon makes me seriously suspect of that claim.

Granted, you could say that getting the 20m(or whatever BGS's are worth now) to get a godsword starting from nothing is also daunting, but I am willing to bet that most of the people with 80 dung have well over 20m(or whatever) in their accounts.

Also, if you are willing to take payment for that 500m wager in the form of red masks, that would be fantastic :thumbsup:

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I never said it was relevant to low level dungeoneers. I made the claim for myself. And there is nothing prohibiting anyone from being my dungeoneering level aside from training. This is not the same as making hundreds of thousands of dollars which some people cannot even do in a lifetime.

Regardless, address the fact that a competent dungeoneer can also earn a chaotic in the same time, if not faster, as making enough money for a GS.

AGAIN, the main point has been totally ignored. GS are bad for DPS.

I am arguing on your terms just to show you the extent of which GS are useless. It is undeniable that they are bad, so I am just trying to show you how bad they are.
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what....?
No, that's not what people are saying at all....
Getting a chaotic takes longer then 10 hours to get when you're starting at level 1...you know...like EVERYONE does.

You're basing the it takes to get chaotics on the level you have, and you can't do that for the general population, because the general population doesn't have anywhere near 100+ dung, so they can't get a chaotic in anything even close to a day.

It takes weeks, up to a month for some people, to get their first chaotic item

The godswords are good for low levels when it's all they can use.

Someone with 75 attack is nearly useless at General Grarrdor when they use a whip.. Only when they get in the high 80s+ does a whip become better.


What they said.

I think I'm somewhere around level 50 dung(also f2p, but that is temporary).

If you're saying that it is possible(scratch that *practicle*) for ME, to get any chaotic weapon within the next 10 waking hours, then I will respectfully retract my last statement, but considering that I personally have spent well over 10 hours on this skill(granted during the first week or so), and am pretty sure that I don't even have half of the experience required to use any chaotic weapon makes me seriously suspect of that claim.

Granted, you could say that getting the 20m(or whatever BGS's are worth now) to get a godsword starting from nothing is also daunting, but I am willing to bet that most of the people with 80 dung have well over 20m(or whatever) in their accounts.

Also, if you are willing to take payment for that 500m wager in the form of red masks, that would be fantastic :thumbsup:


You quoted the wrong person.

Godswords are NOT bad at low level for BOSSING

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I am arguing on your terms just to show you the extent of which GS are useless. It is undeniable that they are bad, so I am just trying to show you how bad they are.

No, no you aren't. You are attempting to prove that godswords are completely and utterly useless, which isn't trust. All weapons have advantages, just because you don't have any particular use for a godsword doesn't mean that it is automatically a worthless piece of crap for all players.
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Izenheim, do the DPS calculation. Thanks.

No, no you aren't. You are attempting to prove that godswords are completely and utterly useless, which isn't trust. All weapons have advantages, just because you don't have any particular use for a godsword doesn't mean that it is automatically a worthless piece of crap for all players.

What advantage? What case is it the best? Provide evidence
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No, I didn't quote the Ancient to avoid excessive pyramidding, and based on the past responses it seemed like what I was referring to could be obvious enough without being quoted.

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GWD: 151~4 S Staff,72 Shard,9 B Tass,13 B Plate,5 B Boots,6 A Plate,11 S Sword,8 A Hilt,3 A Skirt,9 A Helm,S Hilt,3 B Hilt,B Glove,2 A Buckler,Z Ward,Z Garb,Z Boots,B shield

Corp: 3~Elysian,2 Sp Sh Nex: 3~Torva Legs,Cere,P cowl + GWD2: 6~2 Glaive,Wand,2 Crest,Blade Araxyte: 5~Web,3 Pheromone,Fang + Raids: 4~3 Codex,P Boots 

Etc: 57~3 Sceptre,B Mask,16 Whip,2 Focus Sight,5 D Bow,6 SOL,Ragefire,2 Steadfast,Arma Staff,4 Rider Armor,4 Vine,2 Razorback,2 A Wand,Abby Orb,Blood Shard,5 Hydrix,Gland

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ranqe
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bgs, meh i would use a swh over it
ags, meh would use claws / vls
sgs, meh will spend the money to get ee and a summon
zgs, lol anyone use this?

your such a mother [bleep]er. whats with all this bombchu [cabbage]? all everyone who likes this [cabbage] is stupid. ur a [bleep]ing cheater. u did that the wrong way, thats not how to get past the king zora u cheater. u suck and i wont continue watching all ur [cabbage]! videos

he mad?

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Izenheim, do the DPS calculation. Thanks.


No, no you aren't. You are attempting to prove that godswords are completely and utterly useless, which isn't trust. All weapons have advantages, just because you don't have any particular use for a godsword doesn't mean that it is automatically a worthless piece of crap for all players.

What advantage? What case is it the best? Provide evidence


It's called experience :thumbup:
I've given as much evidence as you have for the DPS, which is none so far.
I'm also not going to pretend I know how the system in RS works either, so I won't ever be doing 'calculations'

Godswords have their uses, and you for some odd reason just can't admit that. They are useless to you...they ARE NOT useless for everybody else.

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Izenheim, do the DPS calculation. Thanks.


No, no you aren't. You are attempting to prove that godswords are completely and utterly useless, which isn't trust. All weapons have advantages, just because you don't have any particular use for a godsword doesn't mean that it is automatically a worthless piece of crap for all players.

What advantage? What case is it the best? Provide evidence


It's called experience :thumbup:
I've given as much evidence as you have for the DPS, which is none so far.
I'm also not going to pretend I know how the system in RS works either, so I won't ever be doing 'calculations'

Godswords have their uses, and you for some odd reason just can't admit that. They are useless to you...they ARE NOT useless for everybody else.


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I just did a calculation for whip+defender vs BGS in pvp assuming level 75 stats, nooby gear. Even at ~30% accuracy, whip has a noticeable DPS advantage - 18.37 - versus BGS at 17.65.

so lol. it is useless even as a non-spec wep.

i guess the ONLY non-spec gs has is TD's if you're too slow to switch with whip

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Let's say hypothetically I am wrong. At worst, I have reduced the use of GS to maybe like 2 uses at best. About as useful as a CLS. Worthless? Pretty much
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