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level 75 attack players aren't even close to 30% accurate at most bosses with a whip, but ok :rolleyes:

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level 75 attack players aren't even close to 30% accurate at most bosses with a whip, but ok :rolleyes:


Even at 10% accuracy, against a potted praying level 75 player with 1000 defense, whip has 5.7 dps against 5.2 DPS of a GS.

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You can't measure 10% accuracy of a whip compared to 10% accuracy of a godsword...because the godsword is going to be more accurate...

I'm not trying hard to begin with btw.

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You can't measure 10% accuracy of a whip compared to 10% accuracy of a godsword...because the godsword is going to be more accurate...


No, I incorporated GS accuracy. (9.7% on GS; ~8.7% on whip)

Nice of you to assume that I didn't, though.

I'm not trying hard to begin with btw.

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typing is easy though

I still think you're wrong though, just based on experience that...odd as it is from your calculations...remains the same every time I've experienced it.

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typing is easy though

I still think you're wrong though, just based on experience that...odd as it is from your calculations...remains the same every time I've experienced it.


Experiences lie, math does not; we are subject to a lot of sampling biases

For example, my experiences told me that magic defense affected Korasi sword strength. It does not.

To be completely fair, like i mentioned previously - GS have SOME use - maybe like one (TD's if you're too slow at switching whip to be effective). But for all intents and purposes it is effectively never #1 at anything else. It makes sense to think of it as basically useless.
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I remember that, and like you, I'm sticking by my experience until I see other wise.
Any particular reason you can't accept that when you did it yourself?

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I remember that, and like you, I'm sticking by my experience until I see other wise.
Any particular reason you can't accept that when you did it yourself?


of course, it's natural not to like to admit that you're wrong. i have accepted that i was wrong about korasi just like you have accepted you were wrong about gs.

the fact that you have to resort to that sort of personal affront irrelevant to the topic at hand shows this point.
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except I haven't accepted I'm wrong, because I've yet to experience a whip being better at Bandos for lower level players.
Calculate all you want. The main point is Godswords are not useless. You only think they are, because they're not useful to you now that you have better weapons.

You're the one that brought up the Korasi Sword spec btw, not me, you're the one that went off topic first.

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except I haven't accepted I'm wrong, because I've yet to experience a whip being better at Bandos for lower level players.
Calculate all you want. The main point is Godswords are not useless. You only think they are, because they're not useful to you now that you have better weapons.

You're the one that brought up the Korasi Sword spec btw, not me, you're the one that went off topic first.


So then you just choose to be ignorant; like I said, experiences can lead to incorrect conclusions many, many times. Some people are willing to accept new conclusions in the face of evidence, some are not.
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sure, let's go with that, because we aren't going anywhere with this.

(still think you're wrong)

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Godswords are useful because they make bandos GWD somewhat better money. Even though they are the 2nd cheapest drop. And they get rid of junk.
 

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typing is easy though

I still think you're wrong though, just based on experience that...odd as it is from your calculations...remains the same every time I've experienced it.


Experiences lie, math does not; we are subject to a lot of sampling biases

For example, my experiences told me that magic defense affected Korasi sword strength. It does not.

To be completely fair, like i mentioned previously - GS have SOME use - maybe like one (TD's if you're too slow at switching whip to be effective). But for all intents and purposes it is effectively never #1 at anything else. It makes sense to think of it as basically useless.

Uhm what?

This mindset is similar to what the old greek-mathematicans had: "if my experiences don't match the perfect mathematics, my experiences are wrong"..

Luckily we've grown out of that mindset, and now we think "if my experiences don't match the perfect mathematics, the perfect mathematics forget to include a certain variable". Experience is always more important than mathematics: mathematical rules are used verify & fine tune the ideas you've gained by doing experiments!

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The Sara Godsword is a great weapon for lower-ish levels to train their combat up, and many higher level players without the Dung. requirements for chaotic weaponry.

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typing is easy though

I still think you're wrong though, just based on experience that...odd as it is from your calculations...remains the same every time I've experienced it.


Experiences lie, math does not; we are subject to a lot of sampling biases

For example, my experiences told me that magic defense affected Korasi sword strength. It does not.

To be completely fair, like i mentioned previously - GS have SOME use - maybe like one (TD's if you're too slow at switching whip to be effective). But for all intents and purposes it is effectively never #1 at anything else. It makes sense to think of it as basically useless.

Uhm what?

This mindset is similar to what the old greek-mathematicans had: "if my experiences don't match the perfect mathematics, my experiences are wrong"..

Luckily we've grown out of that mindset, and now we think "if my experiences don't match the perfect mathematics, the perfect mathematics forget to include a certain variable". Experience is always more important than mathematics: mathematical rules are used verify & fine tune the ideas you've gained by doing experiments!


Runescape is a "perfect physics world,"(with magic) though.

Rhetorical arguments that go down to these levels are just pointless really.

The plain and simple fact is that no godsword is ever "useless." You might (possibly) be able to accurately say that after certain levels and items are obtained, then godswords are never the most efficient option, but I seriously doubt that. Also, examples such as tds where the level of attention required can SIGNIFICANTLY affect performance cannot be waived off in that manner reasonably. For example, I know that using a steel titan down there is better AT FULL ATTENTION, but I have tv to be watching, etc. So a unicorn is now the best, yet no statistics/attributes have changed.

And just to be utterly annoying, I could "use" a godsword to slay lvl 2 men if I felt like it. Therefore they have at least one "use," and based on empirical evidence are not "useless."

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The Sara Godsword is a great weapon for lower-ish levels to train their combat up, and many higher level players without the Dung. requirements for chaotic weaponry.


Whip/ee or eee is better

Runescape is a "perfect physics world,"(with magic) though.

Rhetorical arguments that go down to these levels are just pointless really.

The plain and simple fact is that no godsword is ever "useless." You might (possibly) be able to accurately say that after certain levels and items are obtained, then godswords are never the most efficient option, but I seriously doubt that. Also, examples such as tds where the level of attention required can SIGNIFICANTLY affect performance cannot be waived off in that manner reasonably. For example, I know that using a steel titan down there is better AT FULL ATTENTION, but I have tv to be watching, etc. So a unicorn is now the best, yet no statistics/attributes have changed.

And just to be utterly annoying, I could "use" a godsword to slay lvl 2 men if I felt like it. Therefore they have at least one "use," and based on empirical evidence are not "useless."


Yeah, these are just semantics and there's basically no point in arguing past that point. I already admitted they are partially useful for some people at TD's. Still, I am saying they are "useless" to show exactly how limited these scenarios are. GS have like one main reasonable use, and that's about it. Saying that they're useful gives other people the impression that a GS is a reasonable purchase for a noob, which it is not.
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Zamorak Godsword is good if you can't cast ice barrage

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This would have been a great topic like 4 years ago! :rolleyes:

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typing is easy though

I still think you're wrong though, just based on experience that...odd as it is from your calculations...remains the same every time I've experienced it.


Experiences lie, math does not; we are subject to a lot of sampling biases

For example, my experiences told me that magic defense affected Korasi sword strength. It does not.

To be completely fair, like i mentioned previously - GS have SOME use - maybe like one (TD's if you're too slow at switching whip to be effective). But for all intents and purposes it is effectively never #1 at anything else. It makes sense to think of it as basically useless.

Uhm what?

This mindset is similar to what the old greek-mathematicans had: "if my experiences don't match the perfect mathematics, my experiences are wrong"..

Luckily we've grown out of that mindset, and now we think "if my experiences don't match the perfect mathematics, the perfect mathematics forget to include a certain variable". Experience is always more important than mathematics: mathematical rules are used verify & fine tune the ideas you've gained by doing experiments!



Very true, but I don't think DPS formulas leave any hidden variables out that we know of.

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