Protect Prayers looked down upon

[TheAncient]

prayer and summoning are parts of your combat level, but people don't want you do use them

Extremes and Overloads aren't a part of your level....everyone wants to use them in the new wildy.

 

Makes sense to me!

 

huur duur armor isn't reflected in combat level lets not use armor

[SirIzenhime]

defense is in your level.....

I can't really tell if your post was meant to argue or agree with my point........ :unsure:

[SacredFlam3s]

If they pray, use Korasi special.

[TheAncient]

If they pray, use Korasi special.

 

If they KS, use pray.

[xpx]

Because it cheapens combat- for a pathetic price of 44 prayer you get a 40% damage reduction, which is just way too large for the price(many people don't fight divines in pvp for a reason). It also doesn't really take that much skill to use and only really lengthens fights and makes them less attractive, thus any honorable clan bans them from being used in 1 on 1 combat situations. Only using SS/smite assures that the fight isn't pointlessly prolonged and that the best player usually wins- protection prayers don't improve in any way upon that.

 

It is true that the problem nowadays is somewhat different, and if it turns out that KOing/killing in 2,5 minutes(half tb) time is easily possible with people praying, praying might get legit considerations from new clans. Atleast in the old days, even when hybriding, assuming your opponent prayed, KOing or killing your opponent before they were out of food used to be impossible, thus many honorable clans(like DI) banned nonmulty praying. Nobody needs a wilderness where getting kills is next to impossible and real skill doesn't translate in success. If you pray, you more than likely aren't there to pk(praying is completely fine by non-pkers, remember).

[TheAncient]

Because it cheapens combat- for a pathetic price of 44 prayer you get a 40% damage reduction, which is just way too large for the price(many people don't fight divines in pvp for a reason). It also doesn't really take that much skill to use and only really lengthens fights and makes them less attractive, thus any honorable clan bans them from being used in 1 on 1 combat situations. Only using SS/smite assures that the fight isn't pointlessly prolonged and that the best player usually wins- protection prayers don't improve in any way upon that.

 

Prayer takes skill; watch a hybrid who knows how to use overheads quickly enough to a hybrid who just leaves SS on.

 

Korasi sword has the highest expected damage per attack, as far as I know. It is completely free, requires just a few quests, and is still more powerful than weapons that cost 30-60M.

[Quyneax]

Because it cheapens combat- for a pathetic price of 44 prayer you get a 40% damage reduction, which is just way too large for the price(many people don't fight divines in pvp for a reason). It also doesn't really take that much skill to use and only really lengthens fights and makes them less attractive, thus any honorable clan bans them from being used in 1 on 1 combat situations. Only using SS/smite assures that the fight isn't pointlessly prolonged and that the best player usually wins- protection prayers don't improve in any way upon that.

I think they do, someone who correctly flashes soul split + 3 protect prayers is the better player imo, but if protect prayers are banned that's another skill you don't need.

 

IMO that's like doing Jad but magic attacks are banned on both sides. Or something.

[Bladewing]

because people dont want to bother hybriding

[Red_Eyed6]

The same reason safing in the wilderness is looked down upon. It has to do with the runescape combat system itself. It's all based on luck so you need to allow the other person a chance to get lucky while he allows you a chance to get lucky. Runescape doesn't take skill so I chuckled a little bit reading your post.

 

The only way I see Prayers being okay is if your tribridding, hybridding is just stupid with it. And it's not as hard as you say, in my clan we are required to ss + melee flick for corp, and I picked that up within a day.

[TheAncient]

Runescape doesn't take skill so I chuckled a little bit reading your post.

 

Assuming 50% win ratio, explain how Taco Limey has gotted basically 50+ chaotic mauls and staves at 97 dungeoneering

 

 

The only way I see Prayers being okay is if your tribridding, hybridding is just stupid with it. And it's not as hard as you say, in my clan we are required to ss + melee flick for corp, and I picked that up within a day.

 

Try to do that against a good hybrid when you're switching 5 items, drinking pots, eating food, etc. every two seconds

[Jaded]

It's like saying, "Don't use food, it takes to long to kill you!"

 

SAFER NOOB! :rolleyes: I can't wait till pkers come back thinking it's still 2007. So glad I bothered to train mage (aka BARRAGE NOOB!)

 

prayer and summoning are parts of your combat level, but people don't want you do use them

Extremes and Overloads aren't a part of your level....everyone wants to use them in the new wildy.

 

Makes sense to me!

 

Heh this again. Nothing is stopping pkers from training herblore and taking advantage of it. In the spirit of the game (making the wild as dangerous it can be), Jagex better not be p**** whipped by all the whiners like last time.

[SirIzenhime]

prayer and summoning are parts of your combat level, but people don't want you do use them

Extremes and Overloads aren't a part of your level....everyone wants to use them in the new wildy.

 

Makes sense to me!

 

Heh this again. Nothing is stopping pkers from training herblore and taking advantage of it. In the spirit of the game (making the wild as dangerous it can be), Jagex better not be p**** whipped by all the whiners like last time.

 

That wasn't my point, but ok.

[xpx]

because people dont want to bother hybriding

I am very sad to see such a dimwitted comment from you, particularly knowing you are a SAFE pvp prod. Really sad.

 

And really, praying doesn't require that much skill(and you'll only be praying against two styles, not three, as two way hybriding is much better/realistic in real pvp), and, as sayd by red eyed, there is a reason people look down upon safing aswell- there is no reason to pk if neither player wants to risk losing. Praying eliminates a big part of the risk in pvp.

 

Also, i think you are disregarding the honor part of it- for alot of people, it was a rule not to pray in nonmulty, just as it's a law not to kill people in real life.

[Red_Eyed6]

Runescape doesn't take skill so I chuckled a little bit reading your post.

 

Assuming 50% win ratio, explain how Taco Limey has gotted basically 50+ chaotic mauls and staves at 97 dungeoneering

 

Luck? Taco Limey is over rated, and over hyped. Pretty sure he runs around with a divine now anyways. Plus he dies quite a lot too, but he of course doesn't show deaths in his videos. You want to see a less douchey pker look at sparc mac, he actually has videos where he shows himself using statius and a divine, and being koed by a kid in rune, you can't say that this game isn't luck.

[Bladewing]

because people dont want to bother hybriding

I am very sad to see such a dimwitted comment from you, particularly knowing you are a SAFE pvp prod. Really sad.

 

And really, praying doesn't require that much skill(and you'll only be praying against two styles, not three, as two way hybriding is much better/realistic in real pvp), and, as sayd by red eyed, there is a reason people look down upon safing aswell- there is no reason to pk if neither player wants to risk losing. Praying eliminates a big part of the risk in pvp.

wait... what? i said that people don't like it when other people use protect prayers because they don't want to bother hybriding.

 

i didn't say I don't like it when other people use protect prayers because I don't want to bother hybriding.

 

i have no problem when someone uses protect prayers :unsure:

[Jaded]

prayer and summoning are parts of your combat level, but people don't want you do use them

Extremes and Overloads aren't a part of your level....everyone wants to use them in the new wildy.

 

Makes sense to me!

 

Heh this again. Nothing is stopping pkers from training herblore and taking advantage of it. In the spirit of the game (making the wild as dangerous it can be), Jagex better not be p**** whipped by all the whiners like last time.

 

That wasn't my point, but ok.

 

Oh I gotcha, wasn't calling you a whiner, just commenting on how Jagex wants the new wildy to be so hardcore, it would be hypocritical to say "oh but these pots are just too hardcore."

[TheAncient]

Runescape doesn't take skill so I chuckled a little bit reading your post.

 

Assuming 50% win ratio, explain how Taco Limey has gotted basically 50+ chaotic mauls and staves at 97 dungeoneering

 

Luck? Taco Limey is over rated, and over hyped. Pretty sure he runs around with a divine now anyways. Plus he dies quite a lot too, but he of course doesn't show deaths in his videos. You want to see a less douchey pker look at sparc mac, he actually has videos where he shows himself using statius and a divine, and being koed by a kid in rune, you can't say that this game isn't luck.

 

I'm not saying luck isn't involved, but you shouldn't say skill isn't involved either. People are able to consistently get over 50/50 win loss ratio even using the same gear. I know for example I am able to do this.

 

And no, SS flick along with mage/melee pray does take skill, xpx. Even if you think it is a small amount of skill, it is not small for the vast majority of PKers

 

Also, i think you are disregarding the honor part of it- for alot of people, it was a rule not to pray in nonmulty, just as it's a law not to kill people in real life.

There should e a reason behind honor, and the reason behind not praying for hybrids is dubious in my opinion

[Red_Eyed6]

Runescape doesn't take skill so I chuckled a little bit reading your post.

 

Assuming 50% win ratio, explain how Taco Limey has gotted basically 50+ chaotic mauls and staves at 97 dungeoneering

 

Luck? Taco Limey is over rated, and over hyped. Pretty sure he runs around with a divine now anyways. Plus he dies quite a lot too, but he of course doesn't show deaths in his videos. You want to see a less douchey pker look at sparc mac, he actually has videos where he shows himself using statius and a divine, and being koed by a kid in rune, you can't say that this game isn't luck.

 

I'm not saying luck isn't involved, but you shouldn't say skill isn't involved either. People are able to consistently get over 50/50 win loss ratio even using the same gear. I know for example I am able to do this.

 

And no, SS flick along with mage/melee pray does take skill, xpx. Even if you think it is a small amount of skill, it is not small for the vast majority of PKers

 

The only "Skill" that is really involved is being able to click fast, not really a skill if you ask me. And ss/protect flicking takes barely a day to get the hang of, unless your handicapped.

[xpx]

because people dont want to bother hybriding

I am very sad to see such a dimwitted comment from you, particularly knowing you are a SAFE pvp prod. Really sad.

 

And really, praying doesn't require that much skill(and you'll only be praying against two styles, not three, as two way hybriding is much better/realistic in real pvp), and, as sayd by red eyed, there is a reason people look down upon safing aswell- there is no reason to pk if neither player wants to risk losing. Praying eliminates a big part of the risk in pvp.

wait... what? i said that people don't like it when other people use protect prayers because they don't want to bother hybriding.

 

i didn't say I don't like it when other people use protect prayers because I don't want to bother hybriding.

 

i have no problem when someone uses protect prayers :unsure:

I'm referring more to the part that any safe pvp prod would disregard hybrid pking- when i still used to team/solo pk at mb/hut, no pker had less than two styles of combat with them. Hybriding has nothing to do with prayers being disallowed. It's usually a clan rule of honor. If you aren't honorable and have a need to prolong a fight for no apparent reason, look for your enemies to pray against you and use cheap tactics on you aswell(running on full food, safing, etc). If you still think praying gives you the best chance to win, go for it.

 

Also, i think you are disregarding the honor part of it- for alot of people, it was a rule not to pray in nonmulty, just as it's a law not to kill people in real life.

There should e a reason behind honor, and the reason behind not praying for hybrids is dubious in my opinion

There is- there is no reason to pointlessly prolong fights by something that takes little skill in order to decrease the risk. Safing is looked down upon aswell, and the reasoning is exactly the same as why praying is dishounoable. If nobody uses prayers, the best player will still win, with the exception that there will be more kills between players.

[TheAncient]

The only "Skill" that is really involved is being able to click fast, not really a skill if you ask me. And ss/protect flicking takes barely a day to get the hang of, unless your handicapped.

 

cool opinion bro

 

can i get a vid of you ss flicking against a tribrid without any of your protect prays being late

 

If you aren't honorable and have a need to prolong a fight for no apparent reason, look for your enemies to pray against you and use cheap tactics on you aswell(running on full food, safing, etc).

How and why is prayer switching cheap? It only prolongs the fight if both people know how to do it well. But that's not true.

[Red_Eyed6]

The only "Skill" that is really involved is being able to click fast, not really a skill if you ask me. And ss/protect flicking takes barely a day to get the hang of, unless your handicapped.

 

cool opinion bro

 

can i get a vid of you ss flicking against a tribrid

 

 

Thanks for the educated response, and no you can't.

[TheAncient]

The only "Skill" that is really involved is being able to click fast, not really a skill if you ask me. And ss/protect flicking takes barely a day to get the hang of, unless your handicapped.

 

cool opinion bro

 

can i get a vid of you ss flicking against a tribrid

 

Thanks for the educated response, and no you can't.

 

Then I have no reason to believe that you are right, lol.

[Red_Eyed6]

The only "Skill" that is really involved is being able to click fast, not really a skill if you ask me. And ss/protect flicking takes barely a day to get the hang of, unless your handicapped.

 

cool opinion bro

 

can i get a vid of you ss flicking against a tribrid

 

 

Thanks for the educated response, and no you can't.

 

Then I have no reason to believe that you are right, lol.

 

I don't need you to believe me, computer is to slow to video anyways.

[xpx]

If you aren't honorable and have a need to prolong a fight for no apparent reason, look for your enemies to pray against you and use cheap tactics on you aswell(running on full food, safing, etc).

How and why is prayer switching cheap? It only prolongs the fight if both people know how to do it well. But that's not true.

If it were deemed honorable, trust me, everyone would be an ace in prayer switching. It's not really a divine skill, even though you might think you are divine for mastering it.

[Sam]

Oh, how I missed these threads. People are whiny, ignore them.

 

Wise words.