gago Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 When gearing up for slayer today, i noticed a dusty old ring in my bank i haven't used in months. Imbued onyx ring.So i started thinking why don't i actually use it anymore - I always choose imbued versions of berserker, seers and archers ring over it. I guess i find them more effective. Are there actually any places where onyx is more effective than other rings? Bosses perhaps, some stronger monsters, hybriding? Discuss. :) "Happines only real when shared." [hide=Stats]----------------------------------------------------------------------------[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladewing Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 dagannoth kings tribrid is the only PvE place it's best and even then people usually use dstone (i) because onyx (i) protects over [bleep]ing everything How to Chin Nechyraels for fast XP and profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedman Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Safe pvp tribridding I guess. A Guide to Chinning in Ape atoll: up to 325kxp/h! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Safe pvp tribridding I guess.I guess even there you could prefer a stronger KO over more overall accuracy, but yeah, onyx (i) is really only for tribrid. And the only place you use that is DKS or pvp. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krampell Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Isn't Onyx ring (i) very good at Corp too for it's +6 in stab? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gago Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 It is good, but i think berserker(i) with it's +8 strength beats it. Something along the lines of "the increased accuracy is not big enough to compensate the loss of +8 strength bonus". "Happines only real when shared." [hide=Stats]----------------------------------------------------------------------------[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Quite so, attack bonus never beats strength bonus. However onyx (i) protects over most things, so you can use it if you don't want to lose your berserker I guess. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gremmy Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 DK's and corp. Dragon drops: 82 (2 claws)Dagannoth kings drops: 73Barrows item count: 51GWD drops: 54 (5 hilts: 1x bandos, 3x saradomin, 1x zamorak)Whips: 4Sigils: 1x spectral (FFA), 1x arcane (FFA) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kata_Phfract__the_slayer Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 TDs? im no exspert but dont thay require difrent combat styles? I'm a Brony and proud of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blutters Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I thought Qeltar did a study over attack VS strength bonus. It wasn't exactly his best work, but it showed believably enough that on higher level monsters, the two can be of equal importance, and drawing from that, if it's 1:1 then +6 attack and +6 to all defenses beats +8 strength.Kinda leads me to ask why the Onyx Ring (I) didn't just get +6 strength lol... How about Waterfiends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gago Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 For TDS it's actually better to use berserker ring, especially if you have a steel titan. Might be semi useful if you don't use titan, so you have some melee accuracy + more range. EDIT: waterfiends with iron/steel titan in chaos tunnels. Onyx could be better or equal to zerker.Oh, could you give me a link to that guide please? Or just explain a little further? "Happines only real when shared." [hide=Stats]----------------------------------------------------------------------------[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green9090 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Onyx is just barely worse than berserker on corp, but its protect value is actually helpful there. With dhide and max gear you can keep spear, fury, onyx ring, and barrows gloves/stat hammer, risking only nezzy/fighter hat, d boots, and ardy/fire cape as far as notable stuff rather than having to lose zerker (i). Very good cheap setup, my preference for FFA. Join "DG Sweepers" Clan Chat for Dungeoneering Floors | Accepting all tipiters who are Willing to Learn | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blutters Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 EDIT: waterfiends with iron/steel titan in chaos tunnels. Onyx could be better or equal to zerker.Oh, could you give me a link to that guide please? Or just explain a little further?Sorry, I went to look for it right after I posted that, and can't seem to find exactly what I was talking about. Also, it seems Qeltar has let his site go to hell and in the same newspost denounced RuneScape as a great and manipulative evil...How unfortunate. Ignore what I said above as any definitive proof... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Qeltar's testing proved that you get 5% more black dragon kills without a ring. He didn't test with potions either because that would make the test unfair :rolleyes:. You can basically disregard his tests as accurate as they are. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladewing Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Qeltar's testing proved that you get 5% more black dragon kills without a ring. He didn't test with potions either because that would make the test unfair :rolleyes:. You can basically disregard his tests as accurate as they are. also there wasn't substantial evidence to refute the null hypothesis at a confidence level of α=0.80, lol qeltar uses the pseudoscientific method How to Chin Nechyraels for fast XP and profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silmandra Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Quite so, attack bonus never beats strength bonus. However onyx (i) protects over most things, so you can use it if you don't want to lose your berserker I guess. You justbsaid that dragonfire shield is better then dragon defender. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoShazam Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I thought Qeltar did a study over attack VS strength bonus. It wasn't exactly his best work, but it showed believably enough that on higher level monsters, the two can be of equal importance, and drawing from that, if it's 1:1 then +6 attack and +6 to all defenses beats +8 strength.Kinda leads me to ask why the Onyx Ring (I) didn't just get +6 strength lol... How about Waterfiends? It'd be too powerful with a strength bonus, too, pfft. But I'm sure it has it's uses. Everything in the game has a use, one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Quite so, attack bonus never beats strength bonus. However onyx (i) protects over most things, so you can use it if you don't want to lose your berserker I guess. You justbsaid that dragonfire shield is better then dragon defender. LOL.Last time I checked the defender has more total attack and strength bonus than the dragonfire shield... I was obviously referring to equal bonusus. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logdotzip Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Quite so, attack bonus never beats strength bonus. However onyx (i) protects over most things, so you can use it if you don't want to lose your berserker I guess. You justbsaid that dragonfire shield is better then dragon defender. LOL.Last time I checked the defender has more total attack and strength bonus than the dragonfire shield... I was obviously referring to equal bonusus. DFS has higher strength bonus. my youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la la la Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Zerker (i) is better at every boss, imo As far as dk's solo tribrid, mage bonus is trivial, strength bonus is huge (most damage is taken while meleeing supreme), and range bonus isn't that big of a deal (as range strength is not affected and prime has pretty low range defence to a chaotic crossbow anyways). PLUS most people would rather lose an zerker (i) and protect a rapier than lose a rapier and protect an onyx (i). With the update where you can't get randomed running back to corp, there's no huge risk in taking zerker (i) barring disconnection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Vermin Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Onyx(i) might be better against waterfiends, since it gives crush att bonus, range and mage def bonus. Berserker(i) would still be better for maxed players with cmaul, but for someone with 80-90 stats, no unicorn and zs/ss, the exra att/def bonuses of onyx might be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green9090 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Quite so, attack bonus never beats strength bonus. However onyx (i) protects over most things, so you can use it if you don't want to lose your berserker I guess. You justbsaid that dragonfire shield is better then dragon defender. LOL.Last time I checked the defender has more total attack and strength bonus than the dragonfire shield... I was obviously referring to equal bonusus. DFS has higher strength bonus.Look out, it's the semantics police! A strength bonus will always be better than an equal attack bonus under any circumstances. This is clearly what Quyneax was talking about. Can we move on now? Join "DG Sweepers" Clan Chat for Dungeoneering Floors | Accepting all tipiters who are Willing to Learn | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazhar Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 onyx is better for ls corp for the mage def bonus, although berserker is better in ffa situationsas far as the significance of the random-free corp update know that there was a way to ward off randoms using the xp counter so nothing really changed unless you didn't know what you were doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logdotzip Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Quite so, attack bonus never beats strength bonus. However onyx (i) protects over most things, so you can use it if you don't want to lose your berserker I guess. You justbsaid that dragonfire shield is better then dragon defender. LOL.Last time I checked the defender has more total attack and strength bonus than the dragonfire shield... I was obviously referring to equal bonusus. DFS has higher strength bonus.Look out, it's the semantics police! A strength bonus will always be better than an equal attack bonus under any circumstances. This is clearly what Quyneax was talking about. Can we move on now? Look out, it's the usual typical smartass at large! Ever have something to say without all the added doucheyness? I didn't disagree with what he had to say, I just pointed out his error before someone else got to it. Bar extremely high defense monsters, of which few to none exist currently, strength always wins over accuracy bonus, at least when both are in close proximity of each other bonus wise. my youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gago Posted January 9, 2011 Author Share Posted January 9, 2011 Onyx (i) being useful at:- Corp LS- waterfiends at lower levels(defence, magic) Berserker (i) everywhere else.So i guess if you don't have an onyx ring (i) yet and considering buying it, don't. Except if you do lots of LS corp trips. This leaves me with another question.. What to do with my 2 onyx rings.. Probably just keeping them, unless you can get reward credit back for un-imbuing. "Happines only real when shared." [hide=Stats]----------------------------------------------------------------------------[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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