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some people need to keep every gp in this economy irl and irs


How do people take money out irl? Melt pennies to make copper? I can't think of another way...

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Saving money in a bank does not remove it from the economy.

When you deposit money, that specific bank has more money to potentially lone out which the borrower will spend on an emu farm or something and stimulate the economy.

Burrying works(at least temporarily), though.

EDIT: Also, I don't have time to spend AT LEAST 40 seconds teleporting to my house and repairing crap between tasks if the only bonus is increasing my defense. That ranger armor is a bit more interesting though...and I have a feeling that that will end up as the most expensive set.

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I think the OCD ones looks like the best out of those 3 tbh.

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some people need to keep every gp in this economy irl and irs


How do people take money out irl? Melt pennies to make copper? I can't think of another way...

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Just in case you did not know: United States' pennies haven't been made from copper for over half a century. The outer layer is a copper coating but about 98% of the coin is zinc.

Can you name a country where coins of a single alloy are in use? If they have copper in them, you can melt them to make copper.

As for degrading armor, it's funny how the idea surfaced when barrows was released and even more funnier to see how well it has worked in limiting the use of those items. It's great for those with a clear mind that the new armors degrade in that it limits the demand.


I cannot name a country, but can you give me an efficient process for separating the copper and zinc as to a point where you are actually "saving or taking money" from it? It already costs 1.65 cents to make one penny. <----- that I had to look up.


To zamorakninja, I understand your point, but I can still not like having to maintain the armour. I said I use it anyway though based on the benefits such armours give.

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To zamorakninja, I understand your point, but I can still not like having to maintain the armour. I said I use it anyway though based on the benefits such armours give.

Which actually brings up the good point:
If the armour wouldn't need repair it would be the "best for everything' "1 size fits all" amour.. Now for small tasks you might consider using cheaper armour as you won't need ko prevention!

Thus by giving it a drawback in the form of a monetary cost, it makes sure old armour doesn't become useless!

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Degradation is a grindy game mechanic. It's the same reason why people hate temporary guns in those [cabbage] f2p shooters.

If you're the type of person who doesn't see a problem in grinding for months to get a 90+ skill, then you won't understand why people don't like degradation. Once you quit the game and/or obtain some understanding of fun game design, then you'll realize why people don't like it.
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some people need to keep every gp in this economy irl and irs


How do people take money out irl? Melt pennies to make copper? I can't think of another way...

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You've got a bright future ahead living paycheck to paycheck.
So never learn to save. NEVER.


Putting money in a bank doesn't take it out of the economy. Even burying it is still a choice, and as a consumer your decisions would be altered by the fact that you know you have a stash, so it still has influence.

When money goes into a sink in RS, it is actually removed, in real life there are far fewer situations where it is removed. I personally would never take money out of the economy, I much rather buy goods with it, mostly for investment though. I'm just curious as to what 0phathead0 could possibly have meant.

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Degradation is a grindy game mechanic. It's the same reason why people hate temporary guns in those [cabbage] f2p shooters.

If you're the type of person who doesn't see a problem in grinding for months to get a 90+ skill, then you won't understand why people don't like degradation. Once you quit the game and/or obtain some understanding of fun game design, then you'll realize why people don't like it.


welcome back to the Runescape section :rolleyes:
I hardly find repairing an item once every....month....a grind, especially when the repairing takes at most 20 seconds.
As for the months for a 90+ skill, most skills don't take months, but I do agree to a point.
A lot of the skills in this game I really don't mind spending time doing, since they're either fun, or afkable, so I can do other things anyways while I do them.
The only 3 skills I've ever had a problem with are Runecrafting, agility and Hunter, because I don't find them fun, and they aren't afkable. Which explains why they're among my lowest stats :P

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Degradation is a grindy game mechanic. It's the same reason why people hate temporary guns in those [cabbage] f2p shooters.

If you're the type of person who doesn't see a problem in grinding for months to get a 90+ skill, then you won't understand why people don't like degradation. Once you quit the game and/or obtain some understanding of fun game design, then you'll realize why people don't like it.


I see how you designed your post to lead people into reading it and then insult them at the end, given that you're posting it on a fansite for an MMO. Good job, that's totally constructive. [/sarcasm]

I just want to make one suggestion to everyone who doesn't want to get degradable equipment: Get an armour repair point in your house, and maybe get some 'Teleport to House' tablets if you want to use Ancients or Lunars (also acts as a handy one click teleport). Even with mediocre Smithing levels, you can save about a third of the cost, and at higher levels it approaches half. Also, don't let it get damaged to 0, just top it up every so often when you feel like it. The whole thing takes about 20 seconds.

On the flip side, it's 10 hours of solid combat. That pretty much equates to at least once a month for the average player. No biggie.

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Degradation is a grindy game mechanic. It's the same reason why people hate temporary guns in those [cabbage] f2p shooters.

If you're the type of person who doesn't see a problem in grinding for months to get a 90+ skill, then you won't understand why people don't like degradation. Once you quit the game and/or obtain some understanding of fun game design, then you'll realize why people don't like it.


welcome back to the Runescape section :rolleyes:
I hardly find repairing an item once every....month....a grind, especially when the repairing takes at most 20 seconds.
As for the months for a 90+ skill, most skills don't take months, but I do agree to a point.
A lot of the skills in this game I really don't mind spending time doing, since they're either fun, or afkable, so I can do other things anyways while I do them.
The only 3 skills I've ever had a problem with are Runecrafting, agility and Hunter, because I don't find them fun, and they aren't afkable. Which explains why they're among my lowest stats :P


You can multitask(not afk) agility and runecrafting with watching movies. Hunter, not so much.


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I don;t see how its such a big inconvenience to slaying. (dg rewards aside)

Alot of quick tele routes invovle going through your house; so just take some coins pop to the workshop grab a hammer and fix it. Plus this way its up to 50% cheaper.

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I don;t see how its such a big inconvenience to slaying. (dg rewards aside)

Alot of quick tele routes invovle going through your house; so just take some coins pop to the workshop grab a hammer and fix it. Plus this way its up to 50% cheaper.


The Alot.

You get the money on the task itself, and the hammer is already in the house.


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You can multitask(not afk) agility and runecrafting with watching movies. Hunter, not so much.


I'd be standing still for an hour in game if I tried to do that.

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I cannot name a country, but can you give me an efficient process for separating the copper and zinc as to a point where you are actually "saving or taking money" from it? It already costs 1.65 cents to make one penny. <----- that I had to look up.

Firstly, destroying metal coins, atleast in most places, is illegal, secondly, it's not rare that the metal of coins is worth more than the coin itself, and thirdly, it's really not that difficult if done industrially. As for a simple method, try hydrochloric acid- the copper will not react. It's also funny to note that the Estonian crown will be eliminated from use and the metal of coins will be melted and separated into new alloys.

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I don't like it because it makes the armor seem useless. It becomes a situational armor, like barrows to me. If I were to buy the full set I would only use it when I really needed it, but because there are no monsters in RS that actually needs great defense I would never use it outside of bosses.

The armor is cool and the HP boost is nice, but with the cost of repairing it I will probably never use it. I have no problem staying alive anywhere in RS with just barrows or bandos, so what is the point in going overkill with armor that degrades. However, if it didn't degrade I would use it and use it a lot.
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New Armour is for the future, and in the future there might be new skills or additional makes you better and stronger..

Bandos is a great gear, specially for slayer..
barrows is also a good gear

for new armours, not worth the 10 mil or 5 mil for 10 hrs only ? where we gonna use it ? for slayer ? to show off ? only for nex for now.


i won't replace bandos for now, maybe after i get 99 slayer :P cus am not into fighting/slayer much



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I cannot name a country, but can you give me an efficient process for separating the copper and zinc as to a point where you are actually "saving or taking money" from it? It already costs 1.65 cents to make one penny. <----- that I had to look up.

Firstly, destroying metal coins, atleast in most places, is illegal, secondly, it's not rare that the metal of coins is worth more than the coin itself, and thirdly, it's really not that difficult if done industrially. As for a simple method, try hydrochloric acid- the copper will not react. It's also funny to note that the Estonian crown will be eliminated from use and the metal of coins will be melted and separated into new alloys.



The fact that defacing or destroying money is a given but is the basis of why we began an argument so it does not really matter that it is illegal. Also, the process may be easily achieved industrially, or even small time project possibly, to separate alloys within a coin. However, that does not mean that you can actually make money from the process.

Consider the example of the US penny, comprised of 2.5% copper and 97.5% zinc. The cost of copper is about $4.30 per pound, and zinc is about $1.08 per pound. I highly doubt there is a process that can separate the two metals from pennies making it profitable to do so at the same time, industrial or not.

However, relating it all back to the original discussion, the point is that people and players wish to get the most out of their money. In terms of degrading armour, getting the most out of your money means repairing the armour to get benefits that outweigh the cost of repair.

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You can multitask(not afk) agility and runecrafting with watching movies. Hunter, not so much.


I can hunt perfectly fine while reading forums/watching movies. :P I even watched a ton of movies while getting 99 firemaking.

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SAVE RUNESCAPE COINS/MONEY!!!

All new stuff are expensive, either we wait for years to buy it cheap or get it as a drop (hard for low levels),
Soon all will be poor.. >>back to runescape classic, hard to make 60k to buy rune full helm!!!

Oh! now i remember this story, someone tried to SCAM me back in runescape classic when rune full helm were rare drop from greater demons, they were only in wilderness and hard for us to kill and the trade limit was 60k gp maximum, the guy asked me 62k for the helm... he told me after he receive the 60k he puts the helm and i put 2k.. wohaah but iknew he was scamming so i cancled the trade screen..

WILL SCAMMING BE BACK TO RUNESCAPE AFTER THE FREE TRADE ???

i know jagex they are too clever to let that happen, i think they ar gonna make a great system to catch scammers and hackers.. WATCHOUT!!!!!!!



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I'm right on track getting this armor around April... 2012. And that is only if free trade comes back.




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