Kim doing work, lol To Pan:
You get way to defensive there, amigo. Yes, my post was directed at you; however, it echoes for everything TWR related. The staff do a lot of things behind the scenes, but I can tell you honestly there is not a ton to work with in regards to the TWR. This has spiraled into an discussion of the overall activity of the Clan Discussion forum, and hey, that's fine, they do go hand in hand, but my post was about the TWR specifically, not about the entirety of Clan Discussion.
I don't know exactly when you were on the Clan Staff here, but it was at least 2+ years ago, and a lot has changed since then. 2 years ago there were a lot more active clans on TWR (40+ clans warring often). Now there are not (20 clans warring infrequently). The staff is not to blame for these clans not fighting each other. Sure they could cut the inactives, and probably should, but then there would 6 clans left. Only 6 have warred this year.
And I've been posting on Tip.it since 2005 and an avid reader of it even longer, so don't pull that "I've been around longer than you so I know everything" nonsense. It's condescending and pretentious and doesn't impress anyone. To Gamerr:
I agree with you. My post was mainly about the TWR and not necessarily the CD forum, but you're right about that. The CL's and Mods should be more active in posting interesting topics there. When I was staff here we did a pretty poor job at it also (the CL's, the Mods did alright), but Kim and YGuy were pretty active in that department. The rule probably still exists, and should be utilized.
To play devil's advocate, though, let me ask you this . . . do people post on RSC Clan Discussion boards because of the excellent moderation? I rarely see interesting topics made by moderators, and usually hear quite a bit of complaining about biased moderation there. I don't personally agree with that, just throwing it out for discussion.On Topic:
One thing we haven't really considered is the mixture of PVP vs CWA-only clans in the TWR.
In my opinion, the TWR was most active from early 2008 until mid-2009. Towards the end of 2009 the activity slumped, and all throughout 2010 and 2011 is just sits there on life support.
When the TWR was rocking, Clan Wars was the only place for clans to fight. Yes, there was the BH crater, but is was modified in February 2008 to the 'special single' monstrosity that prevented clan combat but did allow for some pretty special pile-jumping. Nice call there, Jagex.
Mid-level clans weren't really dying, or at least not any faster or slower than big clans, because everyone was in the same boat. If you wanted to fight, you had to go to clan wars. So essentially every clan was a clan wars clan. And that worked for about a year and a half, until May 2009, when the BH/PVP worlds were released.
Now clans had an option, they could fight in the 'wildy' or they could continue in clan wars. Different clans went different ways, and the TWR started losing momentum, all the way until now where we have what we have. Now with PVP back in full-swing and in all worlds, the TWR needs to pick a side.
Right now there are 23 clans on the TWR list. 12 actively do PVP (by PVP I mean fight in the wilderness). 5 are primarily clan wars, and the others I don't know enough about to say what they are. What that means for the TWR is while there are 23 active clans to choose from, there are in reality far less that that. A PVP clan would much rather fight in the wilderness, while CWA teams obviously want to fight in clan wars. Neither would be extremely willing to give up their preferred fighting place, and since the PVP clans would have to fight in clan wars since it's default rules, they generally go inactive on the TWR, preferring to spend their time fighting where they enjoy it the most. A quick glance over the TWR list proves this. So, in my opinion, the TWR needs to go PVP-only or Clan Wars-only.
Right now there's just too much varience in the styles of clans to have any kind of meaningful rankings or fights. Crimson Raiders are never going to bother to set up a fight with KOA in Clan Wars because they prefer PVP and that fight would be a waste of their time. KOA would have no interest in that fight either. Right now the TWR is trying to be all things to all people, and that almost never works. In addition, I would allow PKRI's, both capped and uncapped, as valid wars on the TWR. TL; DR Summary:In my opinion, I think the TWR would be better of as a PVP-only list, only allowing Clan Wars if both clans agree on it. And, to have a better chance to get some bigger fish, allow capped uncapped PKRI's to be used as a valid TWR war. That would fix the major problem people had with the RAW list, is that the RAW list didn't allow PKRI's as acceptable wars. Yes, there would be some drama, but some drama is OK. It's 90% of what fuels RSC, and I think we all agree RSC is the most active Clan Board there is.