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Why is it so important that it be called a publicity stunt?

 

IMO, if that's the case, then good on JaGex for being smart and trying to make as much money as possible.

Look at this this way, they make money, the players are happy, a win-win situation. Why all the hate? Is it that there's nothing else to hate on so you guys resort to calling them "liars" and this whole thing a "publicity stunt"?

 

Haters gonna hate. People rant every time an update is released and this one is no different.

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Why is it so important that it be called a publicity stunt?

 

IMO, if that's the case, then good on JaGex for being smart and trying to make as much money as possible.

Look at this this way, they make money, the players are happy, a win-win situation. Why all the hate? Is it that there's nothing else to hate on so you guys resort to calling them "liars" and this whole thing a "publicity stunt"?

 

Why is it so important for you not to call it what it is? If it makes you happy then go with it. Hell, buy yourself a T-shirt, to remind yourself how YOU brought the Wilderness back. But where were you three years ago when we really needed you?

 

Haters gonna hate. People rant every time an update is released and this one is no different.

 

#-o

 

Yeah I mean you're right this update is exactly like every other update they've ever done in the game just another one in a long line of updates nothing at all stands out about this one no discussion value here let's just move on already gosh next week they'll twitter about something that'll get everyone in a huff and they'll quickly forget about this update as it fades away I mean can they even really call it an update since they're really just rolling back to something we already once had in the game so it's not like it's even "new" you know what I'm saying, buddy?

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Haters gonna hate. People rant every time an update is released and this one is no different.

 

#-o

 

Yeah I mean you're right this update is exactly like every other update they've ever done in the game just another one in a long line of updates nothing at all stands out about this one no discussion value here let's just move on already gosh next week they'll twitter about something that'll get everyone in a huff and they'll quickly forget about this update as it fades away I mean can they even really call it an update since they're really just rolling back to something we already once had in the game so it's not like it's even "new" you know what I'm saying, buddy?

 

Though obvious sarcasm, it is what will happen.

 

All they have to do in the next update is make whips pink or move awkardly and poof. "What about free trade/old wildy? ".

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Yay, wildy and free trade has been confirmed at last!

 

I just hope Jagex does what they promised and make the other changes along with wildy/trade. We can't have the entrance to Corp in a middle of a PvP zone.

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Why is it so important that it be called a publicity stunt?

 

IMO, if that's the case, then good on JaGex for being smart and trying to make as much money as possible.

Look at this this way, they make money, the players are happy, a win-win situation. Why all the hate? Is it that there's nothing else to hate on so you guys resort to calling them "liars" and this whole thing a "publicity stunt"?

 

Why is it so important for you not to call it what it is? If it makes you happy then go with it. Hell, buy yourself a T-shirt, to remind yourself how YOU brought the Wilderness back. But where were you three years ago when we really needed you?

 

 

Ok, but you're saying a publicity stunt is a bad thing, while I don't exactly think so.

 

And also, 3 years ago I was actively argueing away in the Rants forum against those who thought removing FT/OW was a good thing. What were you doing?

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Yeah I mean you're right this update is exactly like every other update they've ever done in the game just another one in a long line of updates nothing at all stands out about this one no discussion value here let's just move on already gosh next week they'll twitter about something that'll get everyone in a huff and they'll quickly forget about this update as it fades away I mean can they even really call it an update since they're really just rolling back to something we already once had in the game so it's not like it's even "new" you know what I'm saying, buddy?

 

You win "Longest sentence of the year" award. :thumbup:

 

So, who's getting a Wildy Cap? :P

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OK, I give up, call it a publicity stunt if you will, along with all of the implied animosity that comes with that, but in my opinion even if they were 99% sure that the community would respond favorably, the opposing votes still mattered. So if taking things to a vote was entirely a way of getting on the community's good side, it worked on at least one person. The T-Shirt thing is a bit silly though :razz:

 

I think what people are really meaning to say is that Jagex already had plans to release the Wildy and Free Trade before they even put it to a vote. The outcome of this vote was fairly predictable, so that made this whole vote safe.

 

Now if for some bizarre reason the vote hadn't favored bringing back these features, or even if it hadn't been such a decisive landslide, then yes of course Jagex would've reconsidered it, no matter if they had already begun working on the programming or not.

 

But it was pretty obvious how this was going to play out, not to mention how the poll was implemented. It's like Jagex grinned and yelled,

 

:thumbsup: "Who wants ice cream?" :thumbsup:

 

It's a rhetorical question. Everyone wants ice cream, or at least in this case, 91% of everyone.

 

Except two things:

 

1. the vast majority of people on this planet are lactose-intolerant. So no, not *everybody* wants ice cream, and;

 

2. inasmuch as it was a forgone conclusion that Jagex was going to bring back the Wildy regardless of the vote tally, we've no way, whatsoever, in knowing for certain that it was an actual "overwhelming majority" who wanted it.

 

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OK, I give up, call it a publicity stunt if you will, along with all of the implied animosity that comes with that, but in my opinion even if they were 99% sure that the community would respond favorably, the opposing votes still mattered. So if taking things to a vote was entirely a way of getting on the community's good side, it worked on at least one person. The T-Shirt thing is a bit silly though :razz:

 

I think what people are really meaning to say is that Jagex already had plans to release the Wildy and Free Trade before they even put it to a vote. The outcome of this vote was fairly predictable, so that made this whole vote safe.

 

Now if for some bizarre reason the vote hadn't favored bringing back these features, or even if it hadn't been such a decisive landslide, then yes of course Jagex would've reconsidered it, no matter if they had already begun working on the programming or not.

 

But it was pretty obvious how this was going to play out, not to mention how the poll was implemented. It's like Jagex grinned and yelled,

 

:thumbsup: "Who wants ice cream?" :thumbsup:

 

It's a rhetorical question. Everyone wants ice cream, or at least in this case, 91% of everyone.

 

Except two things:

 

1. the vast majority of people on this planet are lactose-intolerant. So no, not *everybody* wants ice cream, and;

 

2. inasmuch as it was a forgone conclusion that Jagex was going to bring back the Wildy regardless of the vote tally, we've no way, whatsoever, in knowing for certain that it was an actual "overwhelming majority" who wanted it.

 

<_<

 

Over 90% voted to bring it back, how much more of an overwhelming majority do you want?

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OK, I give up, call it a publicity stunt if you will, along with all of the implied animosity that comes with that, but in my opinion even if they were 99% sure that the community would respond favorably, the opposing votes still mattered. So if taking things to a vote was entirely a way of getting on the community's good side, it worked on at least one person. The T-Shirt thing is a bit silly though :razz:

 

I think what people are really meaning to say is that Jagex already had plans to release the Wildy and Free Trade before they even put it to a vote. The outcome of this vote was fairly predictable, so that made this whole vote safe.

 

Now if for some bizarre reason the vote hadn't favored bringing back these features, or even if it hadn't been such a decisive landslide, then yes of course Jagex would've reconsidered it, no matter if they had already begun working on the programming or not.

 

But it was pretty obvious how this was going to play out, not to mention how the poll was implemented. It's like Jagex grinned and yelled,

 

:thumbsup: "Who wants ice cream?" :thumbsup:

 

It's a rhetorical question. Everyone wants ice cream, or at least in this case, 91% of everyone.

 

Except two things:

 

1. the vast majority of people on this planet are lactose-intolerant. So no, not *everybody* wants ice cream, and;

 

2. inasmuch as it was a forgone conclusion that Jagex was going to bring back the Wildy regardless of the vote tally, we've no way, whatsoever, in knowing for certain that it was an actual "overwhelming majority" who wanted it.

 

<_<

 

Over 90% voted to bring it back, how much more of an overwhelming majority do you want?

Oh, so you trust Jagex to give us an honest vote for a feature that they already planned to bring back regardless of the outcome of the vote? :unsure:

 

Sweet!

 

Say – I've got this RARE spinach roll for sale. It's worth 100M but I'll see it to you for only 1M. Ok? :shades:

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OK, I give up, call it a publicity stunt if you will, along with all of the implied animosity that comes with that, but in my opinion even if they were 99% sure that the community would respond favorably, the opposing votes still mattered. So if taking things to a vote was entirely a way of getting on the community's good side, it worked on at least one person. The T-Shirt thing is a bit silly though :razz:

 

I think what people are really meaning to say is that Jagex already had plans to release the Wildy and Free Trade before they even put it to a vote. The outcome of this vote was fairly predictable, so that made this whole vote safe.

 

Now if for some bizarre reason the vote hadn't favored bringing back these features, or even if it hadn't been such a decisive landslide, then yes of course Jagex would've reconsidered it, no matter if they had already begun working on the programming or not.

 

But it was pretty obvious how this was going to play out, not to mention how the poll was implemented. It's like Jagex grinned and yelled,

 

:thumbsup: "Who wants ice cream?" :thumbsup:

 

It's a rhetorical question. Everyone wants ice cream, or at least in this case, 91% of everyone.

 

Except two things:

 

1. the vast majority of people on this planet are lactose-intolerant. So no, not *everybody* wants ice cream, and;

 

2. inasmuch as it was a forgone conclusion that Jagex was going to bring back the Wildy regardless of the vote tally, we've no way, whatsoever, in knowing for certain that it was an actual "overwhelming majority" who wanted it.

 

<_<

 

Over 90% voted to bring it back, how much more of an overwhelming majority do you want?

Oh, so you trust Jagex to give us an honest vote for a feature that they already planned to bring back regardless of the outcome of the vote? :unsure:

 

Sweet!

 

Say I've got this RARE spinach roll for sale. It's worth 100M but I'll see it to you for only 1M. Ok? :shades:

 

You'd have to be either extremely cynical or extremely stupid to think that Jagex rigged that vote.

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Why is it so important that it be called a publicity stunt?

 

IMO, if that's the case, then good on JaGex for being smart and trying to make as much money as possible.

Look at this this way, they make money, the players are happy, a win-win situation. Why all the hate? Is it that there's nothing else to hate on so you guys resort to calling them "liars" and this whole thing a "publicity stunt"?

 

Why is it so important for you not to call it what it is? If it makes you happy then go with it. Hell, buy yourself a T-shirt, to remind yourself how YOU brought the Wilderness back. But where were you three years ago when we really needed you?

 

 

Ok, but you're saying a publicity stunt is a bad thing, while I don't exactly think so.

 

Publicity stunts aren't a bad thing, it's just that if this particular case is purely a publicity stunt, they've mistreated the democratic process. You should never assume the results of a referendum before the referendum is held. It strikes a nerve with a lot of people, me included.

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OK, I give up, call it a publicity stunt if you will, along with all of the implied animosity that comes with that, but in my opinion even if they were 99% sure that the community would respond favorably, the opposing votes still mattered. So if taking things to a vote was entirely a way of getting on the community's good side, it worked on at least one person. The T-Shirt thing is a bit silly though :razz:

 

I think what people are really meaning to say is that Jagex already had plans to release the Wildy and Free Trade before they even put it to a vote. The outcome of this vote was fairly predictable, so that made this whole vote safe.

 

Now if for some bizarre reason the vote hadn't favored bringing back these features, or even if it hadn't been such a decisive landslide, then yes of course Jagex would've reconsidered it, no matter if they had already begun working on the programming or not.

 

But it was pretty obvious how this was going to play out, not to mention how the poll was implemented. It's like Jagex grinned and yelled,

 

:thumbsup: "Who wants ice cream?" :thumbsup:

 

It's a rhetorical question. Everyone wants ice cream, or at least in this case, 91% of everyone.

 

Except two things:

 

1. the vast majority of people on this planet are lactose-intolerant. So no, not *everybody* wants ice cream, and;

 

2. inasmuch as it was a forgone conclusion that Jagex was going to bring back the Wildy regardless of the vote tally, we've no way, whatsoever, in knowing for certain that it was an actual "overwhelming majority" who wanted it.

 

<_<

 

Over 90% voted to bring it back, how much more of an overwhelming majority do you want?

Oh, so you trust Jagex to give us an honest vote for a feature that they already planned to bring back regardless of the outcome of the vote? :unsure:

 

Sweet!

 

Say I've got this RARE spinach roll for sale. It's worth 100M but I'll see it to you for only 1M. Ok? :shades:

 

You'd have to be either extremely cynical or extremely stupid to think that Jagex rigged that vote.

 

You'd have to be extremely naive or extremely gullible to think that Jagex would give you an honest answer for ANYTHING ... :rolleyes:

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OK, I give up, call it a publicity stunt if you will, along with all of the implied animosity that comes with that, but in my opinion even if they were 99% sure that the community would respond favorably, the opposing votes still mattered. So if taking things to a vote was entirely a way of getting on the community's good side, it worked on at least one person. The T-Shirt thing is a bit silly though :razz:

 

I think what people are really meaning to say is that Jagex already had plans to release the Wildy and Free Trade before they even put it to a vote. The outcome of this vote was fairly predictable, so that made this whole vote safe.

 

Now if for some bizarre reason the vote hadn't favored bringing back these features, or even if it hadn't been such a decisive landslide, then yes of course Jagex would've reconsidered it, no matter if they had already begun working on the programming or not.

 

But it was pretty obvious how this was going to play out, not to mention how the poll was implemented. It's like Jagex grinned and yelled,

 

:thumbsup: "Who wants ice cream?" :thumbsup:

 

It's a rhetorical question. Everyone wants ice cream, or at least in this case, 91% of everyone.

 

Except two things:

 

1. the vast majority of people on this planet are lactose-intolerant. So no, not *everybody* wants ice cream, and;

 

2. inasmuch as it was a forgone conclusion that Jagex was going to bring back the Wildy regardless of the vote tally, we've no way, whatsoever, in knowing for certain that it was an actual "overwhelming majority" who wanted it.

 

<_<

 

Over 90% voted to bring it back, how much more of an overwhelming majority do you want?

Oh, so you trust Jagex to give us an honest vote for a feature that they already planned to bring back regardless of the outcome of the vote? :unsure:

 

Sweet!

 

Say – I've got this RARE spinach roll for sale. It's worth 100M but I'll see it to you for only 1M. Ok? :shades:

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Gosh, I didn't know it was possible, but I think you're even more cynical than I am. What you're implying is that Jagex committed fraud.

 

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Haters gonna hate. People rant every time an update is released and this one is no different.

 

#-o

 

Yeah I mean you're right this update is exactly like every other update they've ever done in the game just another one in a long line of updates nothing at all stands out about this one no discussion value here let's just move on already gosh next week they'll twitter about something that'll get everyone in a huff and they'll quickly forget about this update as it fades away I mean can they even really call it an update since they're really just rolling back to something we already once had in the game so it's not like it's even "new" you know what I'm saying, buddy?

 

Though obvious sarcasm, it is what will happen.

 

All they have to do in the next update is make whips pink or move awkardly and poof. "What about free trade/old wildy? ".

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Well, I respectively disagree.

 

1) The removal of these features left lingering rants for quite some time, even beyond other updates like Summoning and HD. It was a big deal then, and it is a big deal now.

 

2) The referendum is unprecedented. There's even a little countdown on the main page now to remind us when the updates will take effect, right next to the T-shirt sales.

 

Will people move beyond this topic? Yes, eventually. The sky isn't falling. But don't make ignorant generalizations, and pretend that what is taking place right now is not important in the scope of history within the game.

 

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Why is it so important that it be called a publicity stunt?

 

IMO, if that's the case, then good on JaGex for being smart and trying to make as much money as possible.

Look at this this way, they make money, the players are happy, a win-win situation. Why all the hate? Is it that there's nothing else to hate on so you guys resort to calling them "liars" and this whole thing a "publicity stunt"?

 

Why is it so important for you not to call it what it is? If it makes you happy then go with it. Hell, buy yourself a T-shirt, to remind yourself how YOU brought the Wilderness back. But where were you three years ago when we really needed you?

 

 

Ok, but you're saying a publicity stunt is a bad thing, while I don't exactly think so.

 

And also, 3 years ago I was actively argueing away in the Rants forum against those who thought removing FT/OW was a good thing. What were you doing?

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Unfortunately, my memory is longer than my profile history (wtf Tip.It?), so I gave up on searching old threads. Me? I was standing in Fally Square, as pointless as it seemed, participating in the riots.

 

The point is, why didn't Jagex listen three years ago? Ultimately, I voted yes, just like you. Your argument suggests that ends justify the means though. You don't care how it comes back, just as long as it does.

 

I am cynical about the marketing ploy used. I don't believe that Jagex "has finally listened to its players," and I don't believe that Jagex has acquired a super-secret botkilling machine. After listening to Jagex defend anti-RWT updates for years, I am concerned about why they chose to play their ace-in-the-hole now. What are they generating hype for? Stellar Dawn's release? To spike ratings for ad revenue? Is Runescape in trouble? Have they merely changed their philosophy and just don't give a....

 

Or are they admitting defeat and trying to save face by making this whole ordeal seem like it was our idea? I am interested in seeing a return of wildy/trade to the game. Hopefully, it wasn't a short-sighted decision on Jagex's part. At the very least, I can't help but roll my eyes at the all of the manufactured hype.

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OK, I give up, call it a publicity stunt if you will, along with all of the implied animosity that comes with that, but in my opinion even if they were 99% sure that the community would respond favorably, the opposing votes still mattered. So if taking things to a vote was entirely a way of getting on the community's good side, it worked on at least one person. The T-Shirt thing is a bit silly though :razz:

 

I think what people are really meaning to say is that Jagex already had plans to release the Wildy and Free Trade before they even put it to a vote. The outcome of this vote was fairly predictable, so that made this whole vote safe.

 

Now if for some bizarre reason the vote hadn't favored bringing back these features, or even if it hadn't been such a decisive landslide, then yes of course Jagex would've reconsidered it, no matter if they had already begun working on the programming or not.

 

But it was pretty obvious how this was going to play out, not to mention how the poll was implemented. It's like Jagex grinned and yelled,

 

:thumbsup: "Who wants ice cream?" :thumbsup:

 

It's a rhetorical question. Everyone wants ice cream, or at least in this case, 91% of everyone.

 

Except two things:

 

1. the vast majority of people on this planet are lactose-intolerant. So no, not *everybody* wants ice cream, and;

 

2. inasmuch as it was a forgone conclusion that Jagex was going to bring back the Wildy regardless of the vote tally, we've no way, whatsoever, in knowing for certain that it was an actual "overwhelming majority" who wanted it.

 

<_<

 

Over 90% voted to bring it back, how much more of an overwhelming majority do you want?

Oh, so you trust Jagex to give us an honest vote for a feature that they already planned to bring back regardless of the outcome of the vote? :unsure:

 

Sweet!

 

Say – I've got this RARE spinach roll for sale. It's worth 100M but I'll see it to you for only 1M. Ok? :shades:

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Gosh, I didn't know it was possible, but I think you're even more cynical than I am. What you're implying is that Jagex committed fraud.

 

Aside from the trolling, I thought the T-shirts were slightly strange to do. But tbh, I still want to wear a shirt that says "I BROUGHT THE WILDERNESS BACK!!!!" on it anyway. Just cause...........

 

The T-shirts cinched it for me that the "fix" was in.

 

Prior to the release of the T-shirts, I was willing to suspend belief that maybe, just maybe, Jagex was displaying their usual degree of ineptitude. The original "referendum/poll" was merely another piece of bad programming, and that they thought they were making a straightforward offer, but didn't give it much thought. you know, much like EVERYTHING else they add to the game, fail to properly play test and then nerf the bugs out of it and punish those people for thinking outside the box.

 

But when the second, purportedly democratic, poll came out, I became a lot more skeptical.

 

First of all, general polling on the various fansite message forums around the web showed a 2:1 margin in some cases, and a mere narrow margin in others, in favour of bringing back both Free Trade and the Wilderness. Yet, Jagex's poll showed a whopping 91%? How's that? Well, of course, that has to do with the manner in which the poll was conducted: allowing people 1 vote per "user account"? That's like allowing someone to vote using names from a graveyard. You're not getting a "majority" vote, you're getting a cheat.

 

Of course, Jagex brags that there's some 10 million accounts – and yet barely over 1 million voted. So, 900,000 votes out of 10 million accounts is "an overwhelming majority"? Who the f**k does THAT kind of math?

 

And why group both issues together? Why not make it a real vote and ask for separation of the two issues? How difficult would that be? Hell – they run polls just like that EVERY week!

 

No – this whole damn thing just stank ...

 

THEN they claim that, after declaring said "overwhelming majority" they're gonna pull this feat of programming out of their ass and get it done and coded and back into the game in TWO WEEKS?

 

TWO WEEKS? Really? Really? Oh come on!

 

Hell - these are the same guys who are still running advertisements under the P2P window – which, they claim is entirely accidental and they're gonna fix it (honest!) – not to mention the clusterf**k that happens every single time they try and do any kind of large update. You really think these tools could pull this off in this short of time without having pre-ordained it to happen?

 

Hell no!

 

Not to mention that this is the same crew of chimpanzees that claim that they already have a handle on "bots" and "autoers" and yet, the game already entertains a massive amount of obvious bots – auto clickers and macroers – and autoers, who are already operating within the current game environment – against which Pmods are absolutely powerless to do ANYTHING and about who's reports Jagex does sweet f**k all.

 

How can anyone realistically expect us to believe that Jagex has either the means or the intention, of any kind whatsoever, to curtail the overwhelming numbers of bots, autoers and macroers that will undoubtably return once they have re-instituted free trade and the Wilderness? How?

 

Then to top it all off, the sheer icing on the cake, the cherry on top, within 24 hours of declaring this wonderous overwhelming majority vote and this feat of technical know-how, they launch t-shirts declaring the deed was done?

 

Seriously?

 

No. Seriously?

 

/rant

 

Like I said, if you peeps are falling for this as an honest deal, I've got some RARE black lobsters to sell to each and every one of you.

 

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First of all' date=' general polling on the various fansite message forums around the web showed a 2:1 margin in some cases, and a mere narrow margin in others, in favour of bringing back both Free Trade and the Wilderness. Yet, Jagex's poll showed a whopping 91%? How's that? Well, of course, that has to do with the manner in which the poll was conducted: allowing people 1 vote per "user account"? That's like allowing someone to vote using names from a graveyard. You're not getting a "majority" vote, you're getting a cheat.[/quote']

 

How do they stop people from voting on more than one account? You can't go by IP as it's so easy to change that, and not everyone will have an email registered. Plus, I bet a TON of pkers that quit in 07 didn't bother returning to the forums and voting there. From a TIF perspective, it's always been more of a skilling than a pking community.

 

Of course' date=' Jagex brags that there's some 10 million accounts and yet barely over 1 million voted. So, 900,000 votes out of 10 million accounts is "an overwhelming majority"? Who the f**k does THAT kind of math?[/quote']

 

10 million accounts =/= 10 million ACTIVE accounts. If of the voters vote for yes then that is an overwhelming majority in favour of yes.

 

And why group both issues together? Why not make it a real vote and ask for separation of the two issues? How difficult would that be? Hell they run polls just like that EVERY week!

 

Can't have one without the other really.

 

THEN they claim that' date=' after declaring said "overwhelming majority" they're gonna pull this feat of programming out of their ass and get it done and coded and back into the game in TWO WEEKS?

 

TWO WEEKS? Really? Really? Oh come on![/quote']

 

Why not? If they are serious about it and get the entire team behind it then I'm sure it's possible. Plus, if they have been thinking about it for a long time they could already have some code done in preparation for a possible (lol) yes vote. It doesn't mean they rigged it or always intended to bring it back.

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Of course, Jagex brags that there's some 10 million accounts and yet barely over 1 million voted. So, 900,000 votes out of 10 million accounts is "an overwhelming majority"? Who the f**k does THAT kind of math?

 

10 million? Try 175,000,000+

 

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So, what I'm getting from this is that, because they could have rigged it, they must have.

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Can't have one without the other really.

What's with everyone saying this. It's possible to have free trade without old wildy.

 

... and it's certainly possible to have the old Wildy without free trade ... :mellow:

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Can't have one without the other really.

What's with everyone saying this. It's possible to have free trade without old wildy.

 

... and it's certainly possible to have the old Wildy without free trade ... :mellow:

 

Yeah you probably could, but if you are going to bring one back it makes sense to bring both seeing as they were linked and were both removed at the same time.

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Yeah you probably could, but if you are going to bring one back it makes sense to bring both seeing as they were linked and were both removed at the same time.

It makes sense to return free trading if you are going to re-implement old wildy. But in no possible universe it makes sense to return wildy if you are going to re-implement free trade.

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Yeah you probably could, but if you are going to bring one back it makes sense to bring both seeing as they were linked and were both removed at the same time.

It makes sense to return free trading if you are going to re-implement old wildy. But in no possible universe it makes sense to return wildy if you are going to re-implement free trade.

 

Why not? I'm genuinely curious, I haven't given it much thought.

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