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OK, I give up, call it a publicity stunt if you will, along with all of the implied animosity that comes with that, but in my opinion even if they were 99% sure that the community would respond favorably, the opposing votes still mattered. So if taking things to a vote was entirely a way of getting on the community's good side, it worked on at least one person. The T-Shirt thing is a bit silly though :razz:

 

I think what people are really meaning to say is that Jagex already had plans to release the Wildy and Free Trade before they even put it to a vote. The outcome of this vote was fairly predictable, so that made this whole vote safe.

 

Now if for some bizarre reason the vote hadn't favored bringing back these features, or even if it hadn't been such a decisive landslide, then yes of course Jagex would've reconsidered it, no matter if they had already begun working on the programming or not.

 

But it was pretty obvious how this was going to play out, not to mention how the poll was implemented. It's like Jagex grinned and yelled,

 

:thumbsup: "Who wants ice cream?" :thumbsup:

 

It's a rhetorical question. Everyone wants ice cream, or at least in this case, 91% of everyone.

 

Except two things:

 

1. the vast majority of people on this planet are lactose-intolerant. So no, not *everybody* wants ice cream, and;

 

2. inasmuch as it was a forgone conclusion that Jagex was going to bring back the Wildy regardless of the vote tally, we've no way, whatsoever, in knowing for certain that it was an actual "overwhelming majority" who wanted it.

 

<_<

 

Over 90% voted to bring it back, how much more of an overwhelming majority do you want?

Oh, so you trust Jagex to give us an honest vote for a feature that they already planned to bring back regardless of the outcome of the vote? :unsure:

 

Sweet!

 

Say I've got this RARE spinach roll for sale. It's worth 100M but I'll see it to you for only 1M. Ok? :shades:

 

You'd have to be either extremely cynical or extremely stupid to think that Jagex rigged that vote.

 

You'd have to be extremely naive or extremely gullible to think that Jagex would give you an honest answer for ANYTHING ... :rolleyes:


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Aside from the trolling, I thought the T-shirts were slightly strange to do. But tbh, I still want to wear a shirt that says "I BROUGHT THE WILDERNESS BACK!!!!" on it anyway. Just cause...........


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OK, I give up, call it a publicity stunt if you will, along with all of the implied animosity that comes with that, but in my opinion even if they were 99% sure that the community would respond favorably, the opposing votes still mattered. So if taking things to a vote was entirely a way of getting on the community's good side, it worked on at least one person. The T-Shirt thing is a bit silly though :razz:

 

I think what people are really meaning to say is that Jagex already had plans to release the Wildy and Free Trade before they even put it to a vote. The outcome of this vote was fairly predictable, so that made this whole vote safe.

 

Now if for some bizarre reason the vote hadn't favored bringing back these features, or even if it hadn't been such a decisive landslide, then yes of course Jagex would've reconsidered it, no matter if they had already begun working on the programming or not.

 

But it was pretty obvious how this was going to play out, not to mention how the poll was implemented. It's like Jagex grinned and yelled,

 

:thumbsup: "Who wants ice cream?" :thumbsup:

 

It's a rhetorical question. Everyone wants ice cream, or at least in this case, 91% of everyone.

 

Except two things:

 

1. the vast majority of people on this planet are lactose-intolerant. So no, not *everybody* wants ice cream, and;

 

2. inasmuch as it was a forgone conclusion that Jagex was going to bring back the Wildy regardless of the vote tally, we've no way, whatsoever, in knowing for certain that it was an actual "overwhelming majority" who wanted it.

 

<_<

 

Over 90% voted to bring it back, how much more of an overwhelming majority do you want?

Oh, so you trust Jagex to give us an honest vote for a feature that they already planned to bring back regardless of the outcome of the vote? :unsure:

 

Sweet!

 

Say – I've got this RARE spinach roll for sale. It's worth 100M but I'll see it to you for only 1M. Ok? :shades:

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Gosh, I didn't know it was possible, but I think you're even more cynical than I am. What you're implying is that Jagex committed fraud.

 

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Haters gonna hate. People rant every time an update is released and this one is no different.

 

#-o

 

Yeah I mean you're right this update is exactly like every other update they've ever done in the game just another one in a long line of updates nothing at all stands out about this one no discussion value here let's just move on already gosh next week they'll twitter about something that'll get everyone in a huff and they'll quickly forget about this update as it fades away I mean can they even really call it an update since they're really just rolling back to something we already once had in the game so it's not like it's even "new" you know what I'm saying, buddy?

 

Though obvious sarcasm, it is what will happen.

 

All they have to do in the next update is make whips pink or move awkardly and poof. "What about free trade/old wildy? ".

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Well, I respectively disagree.

 

1) The removal of these features left lingering rants for quite some time, even beyond other updates like Summoning and HD. It was a big deal then, and it is a big deal now.

 

2) The referendum is unprecedented. There's even a little countdown on the main page now to remind us when the updates will take effect, right next to the T-shirt sales.

 

Will people move beyond this topic? Yes, eventually. The sky isn't falling. But don't make ignorant generalizations, and pretend that what is taking place right now is not important in the scope of history within the game.

 

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Why is it so important that it be called a publicity stunt?

 

IMO, if that's the case, then good on JaGex for being smart and trying to make as much money as possible.

Look at this this way, they make money, the players are happy, a win-win situation. Why all the hate? Is it that there's nothing else to hate on so you guys resort to calling them "liars" and this whole thing a "publicity stunt"?

 

Why is it so important for you not to call it what it is? If it makes you happy then go with it. Hell, buy yourself a T-shirt, to remind yourself how YOU brought the Wilderness back. But where were you three years ago when we really needed you?

 

 

Ok, but you're saying a publicity stunt is a bad thing, while I don't exactly think so.

 

And also, 3 years ago I was actively argueing away in the Rants forum against those who thought removing FT/OW was a good thing. What were you doing?

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Unfortunately, my memory is longer than my profile history (wtf Tip.It?), so I gave up on searching old threads. Me? I was standing in Fally Square, as pointless as it seemed, participating in the riots.

 

The point is, why didn't Jagex listen three years ago? Ultimately, I voted yes, just like you. Your argument suggests that ends justify the means though. You don't care how it comes back, just as long as it does.

 

I am cynical about the marketing ploy used. I don't believe that Jagex "has finally listened to its players," and I don't believe that Jagex has acquired a super-secret botkilling machine. After listening to Jagex defend anti-RWT updates for years, I am concerned about why they chose to play their ace-in-the-hole now. What are they generating hype for? Stellar Dawn's release? To spike ratings for ad revenue? Is Runescape in trouble? Have they merely changed their philosophy and just don't give a....

 

Or are they admitting defeat and trying to save face by making this whole ordeal seem like it was our idea? I am interested in seeing a return of wildy/trade to the game. Hopefully, it wasn't a short-sighted decision on Jagex's part. At the very least, I can't help but roll my eyes at the all of the manufactured hype.


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OK, I give up, call it a publicity stunt if you will, along with all of the implied animosity that comes with that, but in my opinion even if they were 99% sure that the community would respond favorably, the opposing votes still mattered. So if taking things to a vote was entirely a way of getting on the community's good side, it worked on at least one person. The T-Shirt thing is a bit silly though :razz:

 

I think what people are really meaning to say is that Jagex already had plans to release the Wildy and Free Trade before they even put it to a vote. The outcome of this vote was fairly predictable, so that made this whole vote safe.

 

Now if for some bizarre reason the vote hadn't favored bringing back these features, or even if it hadn't been such a decisive landslide, then yes of course Jagex would've reconsidered it, no matter if they had already begun working on the programming or not.

 

But it was pretty obvious how this was going to play out, not to mention how the poll was implemented. It's like Jagex grinned and yelled,

 

:thumbsup: "Who wants ice cream?" :thumbsup:

 

It's a rhetorical question. Everyone wants ice cream, or at least in this case, 91% of everyone.

 

Except two things:

 

1. the vast majority of people on this planet are lactose-intolerant. So no, not *everybody* wants ice cream, and;

 

2. inasmuch as it was a forgone conclusion that Jagex was going to bring back the Wildy regardless of the vote tally, we've no way, whatsoever, in knowing for certain that it was an actual "overwhelming majority" who wanted it.

 

<_<

 

Over 90% voted to bring it back, how much more of an overwhelming majority do you want?

Oh, so you trust Jagex to give us an honest vote for a feature that they already planned to bring back regardless of the outcome of the vote? :unsure:

 

Sweet!

 

Say – I've got this RARE spinach roll for sale. It's worth 100M but I'll see it to you for only 1M. Ok? :shades:

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Gosh, I didn't know it was possible, but I think you're even more cynical than I am. What you're implying is that Jagex committed fraud.

 

Aside from the trolling, I thought the T-shirts were slightly strange to do. But tbh, I still want to wear a shirt that says "I BROUGHT THE WILDERNESS BACK!!!!" on it anyway. Just cause...........

 

The T-shirts cinched it for me that the "fix" was in.

 

Prior to the release of the T-shirts, I was willing to suspend belief that maybe, just maybe, Jagex was displaying their usual degree of ineptitude. The original "referendum/poll" was merely another piece of bad programming, and that they thought they were making a straightforward offer, but didn't give it much thought. you know, much like EVERYTHING else they add to the game, fail to properly play test and then nerf the bugs out of it and punish those people for thinking outside the box.

 

But when the second, purportedly democratic, poll came out, I became a lot more skeptical.

 

First of all, general polling on the various fansite message forums around the web showed a 2:1 margin in some cases, and a mere narrow margin in others, in favour of bringing back both Free Trade and the Wilderness. Yet, Jagex's poll showed a whopping 91%? How's that? Well, of course, that has to do with the manner in which the poll was conducted: allowing people 1 vote per "user account"? That's like allowing someone to vote using names from a graveyard. You're not getting a "majority" vote, you're getting a cheat.

 

Of course, Jagex brags that there's some 10 million accounts – and yet barely over 1 million voted. So, 900,000 votes out of 10 million accounts is "an overwhelming majority"? Who the f**k does THAT kind of math?

 

And why group both issues together? Why not make it a real vote and ask for separation of the two issues? How difficult would that be? Hell – they run polls just like that EVERY week!

 

No – this whole damn thing just stank ...

 

THEN they claim that, after declaring said "overwhelming majority" they're gonna pull this feat of programming out of their ass and get it done and coded and back into the game in TWO WEEKS?

 

TWO WEEKS? Really? Really? Oh come on!

 

Hell - these are the same guys who are still running advertisements under the P2P window – which, they claim is entirely accidental and they're gonna fix it (honest!) – not to mention the clusterf**k that happens every single time they try and do any kind of large update. You really think these tools could pull this off in this short of time without having pre-ordained it to happen?

 

Hell no!

 

Not to mention that this is the same crew of chimpanzees that claim that they already have a handle on "bots" and "autoers" and yet, the game already entertains a massive amount of obvious bots – auto clickers and macroers – and autoers, who are already operating within the current game environment – against which Pmods are absolutely powerless to do ANYTHING and about who's reports Jagex does sweet f**k all.

 

How can anyone realistically expect us to believe that Jagex has either the means or the intention, of any kind whatsoever, to curtail the overwhelming numbers of bots, autoers and macroers that will undoubtably return once they have re-instituted free trade and the Wilderness? How?

 

Then to top it all off, the sheer icing on the cake, the cherry on top, within 24 hours of declaring this wonderous overwhelming majority vote and this feat of technical know-how, they launch t-shirts declaring the deed was done?

 

Seriously?

 

No. Seriously?

 

/rant

 

Like I said, if you peeps are falling for this as an honest deal, I've got some RARE black lobsters to sell to each and every one of you.

 

:rolleyes:


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First of all' date=' general polling on the various fansite message forums around the web showed a 2:1 margin in some cases, and a mere narrow margin in others, in favour of bringing back both Free Trade and the Wilderness. Yet, Jagex's poll showed a whopping 91%? How's that? Well, of course, that has to do with the manner in which the poll was conducted: allowing people 1 vote per "user account"? That's like allowing someone to vote using names from a graveyard. You're not getting a "majority" vote, you're getting a cheat.[/quote']

 

How do they stop people from voting on more than one account? You can't go by IP as it's so easy to change that, and not everyone will have an email registered. Plus, I bet a TON of pkers that quit in 07 didn't bother returning to the forums and voting there. From a TIF perspective, it's always been more of a skilling than a pking community.

 

Of course' date=' Jagex brags that there's some 10 million accounts and yet barely over 1 million voted. So, 900,000 votes out of 10 million accounts is "an overwhelming majority"? Who the f**k does THAT kind of math?[/quote']

 

10 million accounts =/= 10 million ACTIVE accounts. If of the voters vote for yes then that is an overwhelming majority in favour of yes.

 

And why group both issues together? Why not make it a real vote and ask for separation of the two issues? How difficult would that be? Hell they run polls just like that EVERY week!

 

Can't have one without the other really.

 

THEN they claim that' date=' after declaring said "overwhelming majority" they're gonna pull this feat of programming out of their ass and get it done and coded and back into the game in TWO WEEKS?

 

TWO WEEKS? Really? Really? Oh come on![/quote']

 

Why not? If they are serious about it and get the entire team behind it then I'm sure it's possible. Plus, if they have been thinking about it for a long time they could already have some code done in preparation for a possible (lol) yes vote. It doesn't mean they rigged it or always intended to bring it back.

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Of course, Jagex brags that there's some 10 million accounts and yet barely over 1 million voted. So, 900,000 votes out of 10 million accounts is "an overwhelming majority"? Who the f**k does THAT kind of math?

 

10 million? Try 175,000,000+

 

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So, what I'm getting from this is that, because they could have rigged it, they must have.


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Can't have one without the other really.

What's with everyone saying this. It's possible to have free trade without old wildy.

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Can't have one without the other really.

What's with everyone saying this. It's possible to have free trade without old wildy.

 

... and it's certainly possible to have the old Wildy without free trade ... :mellow:


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Can't have one without the other really.

What's with everyone saying this. It's possible to have free trade without old wildy.

 

... and it's certainly possible to have the old Wildy without free trade ... :mellow:

 

Yeah you probably could, but if you are going to bring one back it makes sense to bring both seeing as they were linked and were both removed at the same time.

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Yeah you probably could, but if you are going to bring one back it makes sense to bring both seeing as they were linked and were both removed at the same time.

It makes sense to return free trading if you are going to re-implement old wildy. But in no possible universe it makes sense to return wildy if you are going to re-implement free trade.

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Yeah you probably could, but if you are going to bring one back it makes sense to bring both seeing as they were linked and were both removed at the same time.

It makes sense to return free trading if you are going to re-implement old wildy. But in no possible universe it makes sense to return wildy if you are going to re-implement free trade.

 

Why not? I'm genuinely curious, I haven't given it much thought.

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Yeah you probably could, but if you are going to bring one back it makes sense to bring both seeing as they were linked and were both removed at the same time.

It makes sense to return free trading if you are going to re-implement old wildy. But in no possible universe it makes sense to return wildy if you are going to re-implement free trade.

Why not? I'm genuinely curious, I haven't given it much thought.

The old wildy is pretty much based on wealth transfer (the current PvP is based on removing wealth from the game while introducing different kind of wealth at the same time), it would be logical to reintroduce a system for free/non-limited wealth transfer when you reintroduce non-limited wealth transfer based PvP.

On the other side - the non-limited wealth transfer has nothing to do with PvP. Considering that I find the current PvP being if not better at least comparable with the old system (this has nothing to do with the needed amount of danger in wildy) you'd find it more logical to introduce the old drop system with the current PvP but PvP area in every world is not a logical next step from introducing a different trade system ...

In other words it's logical to add the trade system in the PvP, adding PvP in every world because of a trade system is not.

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Can't have one without the other really.

What's with everyone saying this. It's possible to have free trade without old wildy.

 

... and it's certainly possible to have the old Wildy without free trade ... :mellow:

 

If they put wildy back and no free trade, people would just trade through wilderness. If they put free trade and no wilderness, they would have effectively left wilderness out for no reason whatsoever. Either option tells either free traders or pkers respectively that Jagex don't care about them.

 

It's bad business, but hey, I guess they could put only free trade or wildy in by itself for kicks.


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Can't have one without the other really.

What's with everyone saying this. It's possible to have free trade without old wildy.

 

... and it's certainly possible to have the old Wildy without free trade ... :mellow:

Not really, if you consider the fact that everything from your opponent will drop on death then restricted trade will be completely irrelevant: if they bring back old wildy it would be ridiculous not to bring back free trade as well. And for the other position: why maintain the droptable and statuettes that continue rapid inflation if bots can simply transfer the wealth via trading? I agree with SirHatlar here, one without the other would be ineffectual.


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Until they keep HA as the best F2P and a decent P2P training option the statues are not the biggest problem (the current deflation is mostly because of some sort of a panic and it won't bring the old prices)

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So, what I'm getting from this is that, because they could have rigged it, they must have.

 

This sums up Blyaunte's point of view perfectly. Also Omali's posters are pretty awesome, Blyaunte you should put them in your signature.

 

Yeah you probably could, but if you are going to bring one back it makes sense to bring both seeing as they were linked and were both removed at the same time.

It makes sense to return free trading if you are going to re-implement old wildy. But in no possible universe it makes sense to return wildy if you are going to re-implement free trade.

Why not? I'm genuinely curious, I haven't given it much thought.

The old wildy is pretty much based on wealth transfer (the current PvP is based on removing wealth from the game while introducing different kind of wealth at the same time), it would be logical to reintroduce a system for free/non-limited wealth transfer when you reintroduce non-limited wealth transfer based PvP.

On the other side - the non-limited wealth transfer has nothing to do with PvP. Considering that I find the current PvP being if not better at least comparable with the old system (this has nothing to do with the needed amount of danger in wildy) you'd find it more logical to introduce the old drop system with the current PvP but PvP area in every world is not a logical next step from introducing a different trade system ...

In other words it's logical to add the trade system in the PvP, adding PvP in every world because of a trade system is not.

 

Except that they took out the Old Wilderness because its free trade elements allowed people to use it to RWT, and make it harder to detect. They didn't take it out because skillers were getting harmed by PKers, and they didn't take it out to protect the clue hunters and Abyss Rcers. So if they re-implement free trade, then it would only be fair to return the old wilderness.

 

It's not so much as the theory on how they can/ can't co-exist, it's more the reason why many PKers were hurt when they were innocent.


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I am just saying that for some reason some people are disregarding the possibility for a separate vote (I want wildy and FT, I want only FT, I want only wildy) with a strange argument. And it wouldn't hurt to know how many people want only the one without the other (it might be inefficient to implement only one of them but it's not a bad idea to have such information)

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Can't have one without the other really.

What's with everyone saying this. It's possible to have free trade without old wildy.

 

... and it's certainly possible to have the old Wildy without free trade ... :mellow:

Not really, if you consider the fact that everything from your opponent will drop on death then restricted trade will be completely irrelevant: if they bring back old wildy it would be ridiculous not to bring back free trade as well. And for the other position: why maintain the droptable and statuettes that continue rapid inflation if bots can simply transfer the wealth via trading? I agree with SirHatlar here, one without the other would be ineffectual.

 

Reallly -- how many "honest" (not RWT) PK's did you manage to get in the "old Wildy" that allowed you to obtain HUGE amounts of gear or cash?


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So, what I'm getting from this is that, because they could have rigged it, they must have.

 

This sums up Blyaunte's point of view perfectly. Also Omali's posters are pretty awesome, Blyaunte you should put them in your signature.

 

Hey if you can demonstrate to me why and/or how, on earth, ANY legitimate corporate entity would or could clusterf**k their way through a game-changing operation in this fashion, I am all ears.

 

I'm all in favour of giving up the entire "deliberate rigging" argument in favour of "Jagex is chocked full of incompetent boobs" any time ...

 

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Can't have one without the other really.

What's with everyone saying this. It's possible to have free trade without old wildy.

 

... and it's certainly possible to have the old Wildy without free trade ... :mellow:

Not really, if you consider the fact that everything from your opponent will drop on death then restricted trade will be completely irrelevant: if they bring back old wildy it would be ridiculous not to bring back free trade as well. And for the other position: why maintain the droptable and statuettes that continue rapid inflation if bots can simply transfer the wealth via trading? I agree with SirHatlar here, one without the other would be ineffectual.

 

Reallly -- how many "honest" (not RWT) PK's did you manage to get in the "old Wildy" that allowed you to obtain HUGE amounts of gear or cash?

 

This reminds me of an event in RuneScape that happened to me.

 

I loved PKing in the old wilderness. Great fun, great risk. I happened across some dude in awesome gear (for the time). He was PKing in full rune (g) or something along those lines (this was back in late '05/early '06 if I recall correctly). I was seriously stunned. So we talked for a bit and agreed to a DM. I fought and won, and then before he died he told me to meet him back at Edgeville bank. I agreed, and then he gave me 1.5m or so in stuff when I got there (which, remember, at the time that was quite a bit). In total I made ~4m off a PK.

 

Also, I've met quite a lot of decent people PKing back in the first two or so years of RuneScape 2. Now, I really don't PK anymore, so I wouldn't be able to tell you how good/bad the game community now is. But the few times I have it was just a little bit worse some days, a little bit better others.

 

So, now for my opinion about this whole mess.

 

I wouldn't have been upset if they left out the wilderness and only brought back free trade (though I would wonder what the point in that would be; why only cater to one membership base and not the other?). And I see that they can't bring back the wilderness and not free trade. In either case, I am happy, just like I'd be content (but disappointed) if they didn't. We've gotten by without free trade this long. But in the end, either way works.

 

(I voted "Yes" on the poll).


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So, what I'm getting from this is that, because they could have rigged it, they must have.

 

This sums up Blyaunte's point of view perfectly. Also Omali's posters are pretty awesome, Blyaunte you should put them in your signature.

 

Hey if you can demonstrate to me why and/or how, on earth, ANY legitimate corporate entity would or could clusterf**k their way through a game-changing operation in this fashion, I am all ears.

 

I'm all in favour of giving up the entire "deliberate rigging" argument in favour of "Jagex is chocked full of incompetent boobs" any time ...

 

:lol:

 

Hey if you can give me some evidence on how they rigged the vote... go right ahead.


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So, what I'm getting from this is that, because they could have rigged it, they must have.

 

This sums up Blyaunte's point of view perfectly. Also Omali's posters are pretty awesome, Blyaunte you should put them in your signature.

 

Hey if you can demonstrate to me why and/or how, on earth, ANY legitimate corporate entity would or could clusterf**k their way through a game-changing operation in this fashion, I am all ears.

 

I'm all in favour of giving up the entire "deliberate rigging" argument in favour of "Jagex is chocked full of incompetent boobs" any time ...

 

:lol:

 

Hey if you can give me some evidence on how they rigged the vote... go right ahead.

 

Let me ask you this when Jagex removed the Wilderness and Free Trade three years ago purportedly because of RWT, with the excuse of how much RWT was hurting them financially, and how they almost lost the business, did you think they were telling you the truth back then?

 

Did you believe them?

 

Do you think Jagex has a handle on RWT trading now?

 

More than likely, the difference between now and three years ago has more to do with the settlement of all legal claims against them filed by the credit card companies, than it does with anything else. I'd wager that Jagex prolly now has sufficient legal protocols in place to deny their own liability for any illicit transaction performed via a stolen credit card, or whatever it was purported to have transpired.

 

Not that Jagex would allow any disclosure of, or admit to, any information relating to such a settlement, but hey, I'm just sayin' ...

 

:rolleyes:


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So, what I'm getting from this is that, because they could have rigged it, they must have.

 

This sums up Blyaunte's point of view perfectly. Also Omali's posters are pretty awesome, Blyaunte you should put them in your signature.

 

Hey – if you can demonstrate to me why and/or how, on earth, ANY legitimate corporate entity would or could clusterf**k their way through a game-changing operation in this fashion, I am all ears.

 

I'm all in favour of giving up the entire "deliberate rigging" argument in favour of "Jagex is chocked full of incompetent boobs" any time ...

 

:lol:

 

Hey if you can give me some evidence on how they rigged the vote... go right ahead.

 

Let me ask you this – when Jagex removed the Wilderness and Free Trade three years ago purportedly because of RWT, with the excuse of how much RWT was hurting them financially, and how they almost lost the business, did you think they were telling you the truth back then?

 

Did you believe them?

 

Do you think Jagex has a handle on RWT trading now?

 

More than likely, the difference between now and three years ago has more to do with the settlement of all legal claims against them filed by the credit card companies, than it does with anything else. I'd wager that Jagex prolly now has sufficient legal protocols in place to deny their own liability for any illicit transaction performed via a stolen credit card, or whatever it was purported to have transpired.

 

Not that Jagex would allow any disclosure of, or admit to, any information relating to such a settlement, but hey, I'm just sayin' ...

 

:rolleyes:

 

If that was the case, why would they need to rig the vote? If they felt that bringing back free trade and the old wilderness was possible without the risk of having credit card fraud like before then why wouldn't they ask the community if they should? Even if RWT and botting stays at the same level as it is now, that won't mean they made a bad decision to switch to the old system. This way they get more money from subscriptions and the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of their customer base is happy as OVER 90% of them voted positively for it.

 

Everyone knows that they took a dip in subscriptions when lots of players quit in 07, it makes sense therefore that a lot of player would want the current system to be changed back. The fallout from the 07 changes was massive, the implications of Jagex changing that around again now are equally so. You are basing your conspiracy theory on a complete whim, you only need to see the old users coming back to this forum as a result of the referendum as proof that the poll attracted a large number of people and, therefore, is most likely legit.

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