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Tip.It Times - 23rd January 2011


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Jagex made a good decision finally.

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Worst mistake ever by Jagex to bring it back. You don't need to fix something that's not broken. The poll and referendum was complete cabbage.


RWT still happens. It's broken. Your argument is invalid.

...I've wanted to say that for a while now.

EDIT: Oh, and in response to the first article, you've managed to sum up my thoughts very well. The question is, what should have Jagex done instead?



Ok, then you don;t break it even worse. :shame:


Impossible to do so. With the trade limit system you can not track the majority of RWTers, with free trade they'll be able to be picked up by the radar again as the trade limit methods (a lot of which centre around manipulation clans) will no longer function.

Further, yes the current system is broken. The original change was the biggest injustice Runescape has ever witnessed; the majority of players were punished due to Jagex's inability to deal with the offenses of the few and to top that off, it doesn't work; if anything, it made the problem grow and harder to detect (complain about level 3s at yews? They're visible and detectable, the new manners of RWTing are mostly not).


What I meant wasn't broken was the wilderness. The wilderness is perfectly fine as it is. RWT very much still happens, but now they're just opening up the floodgates to let it be even more of a problem.

RSVote, you have no proof to your argument that RWT will be easier to catch. Yes Jagex said that, but can we really trust them? They're unleashing a huge update changing a lot of game code, and something is bound to be missed or go wrong knowing Jagex's history of getting it right the first time. Consider that Jagex said all of the following things:

"we stop bots, they improve their macros, we stop them, they improve again"

"If we don't break that vicious cycle now, it would just keep getting worse and worse"

"Every time we double our efforts, gold-sellers quadruple theirs. We can't continue only using our current methods, throwing more and more resources at it,"

"We realize removing unbalanced trade is a big deal, but we want to assure you that this change has not been taken lightly, that we've exhausted all the alternatives. We've tried countless ways to defeat real-world trading and considered many other options to end this problem – this change was the only definite way to do so."

Quotes drawn from here

After acknowledging the above, do you really, really think that things have changed? Did Jagex miraculously learn how to stop all RWT forever over a couple of years? Will they be able to handle the multitude of accounts that will attempt to RWT once they pull the switch? I don't think so. You don't change the gun restriction laws to allow anybody to own any gun without any license just because the amount of murders and robberies goes down and the police have bigger guns.

Also, considering Jagex said that "All Customer Support teams combined, we're banning tens of thousands of accounts each week that belong to real-world traders," I would not consider the removal of wilderness a punishment for the majority based on the offenses of a minority. Hundreds of thousand of accounts is not a minority.

Throw in the huge publicity stunt to make it look like they genuinely considered the opinions of the "Runescape Community," which was performed horribly, and it turns the whole thing into a bunch of bullcabbage.



You have seriously misunderstood the point I made.

One of my posts from the previous "Tip.it times" thread partially explains the *current* RWT market, which you seriously misunderstand (as most of the RS community does, because they don't "see" it, it's beneath the surface):

RWT is also directly facilitated by the GE system, through clan manipulations.

Some examples:
1. Paying for clans ranks (some clans sell even the lowest ranks for £10 each)
2. Paying for someone to sell your junk.
3. "Buying in on a manipulation": where you pay a "leader" who instructs you on what to buy long before the manipulation, to then (if not scammed) reap the profit of the merch in full spring or (if you're scammed) for the item to never actually be merched.
4. Clan leaders raising "starter" accounts (training them to a reasonable level and gradually securing a high cash store due to manipulations). <--- Note that GE/trade limits did absolutely nothing to stop the selling of accounts.

I've never believed the majority should have been punished so much due to the minority of rule breakers, but for them to be punished for the measures to actually not work is an even greater insult.


Botting is no longer needed or highly profitable for RWTing, whereas other RWTing methods which are impossible to prove/detect are very much common practice. These are considerably more damaging economically than botting ever could be, yet they will be eliminated with free trade; "closing the floodgates" as you put it. I did not suggest Jagex had improved the free trade system, my argument is fundamentally that the non free trade system is worse/more damaging.

Jagex's statistics are incomplete and untrustworthy (amusingly, one minute you're stating we shouldn't trust Jagex then you're quoting from them as if their correspondance over issues is entirely trustworthy), but there is a definite fundamental point to be made; yes, they probably do ban a significant number of ACCOUNTS if we include BOTS, which do not have a single PLAYER per ACCOUNT, It isn't a secret that some people ran hundreds of bots at a time which, after being banned, they replaced within a very short space of time to be banned again/etc. I don't think even Jagex could deny (with a straight face) that they punished the majority of players for a minority of rule breakers.

P.S. No you didn't mean the wilderness, after the other person replied you continued arguing on the basis of free trade, it wasn't until I replied and ruddied the claim that it "wasn't broken" that suddenly you meant the wilderness. That's when you threw any credibility out the window.
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That article was too controversial, and could spark up a lot of hate.

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That article was too controversial, and could spark up a lot of hate.


What article? If you're referring to Racheya's article all it is is an overview of the majority of tip.it's opinion on the wilderness returning. She worded it well and I'm glad to see she stayed somewhat unbiased.

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That article was too controversial, and could spark up a lot of hate.


I can't say I agree with the idea that either of the articles has been anywhere near "too controversial". If you actually mean to say "It criticises Jagex, therefore it's bad." then firstly Jagex don't receive enough criticism from the Tip.it times, and secondly it is the role of a fan to comment upon and criticise the game/whatever they're interested in.

Though I'm not a fan of fan sites "behaving" and not publishing "controversial" opinions on Jagex to begin with xd.
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