Lugia_Lvl138 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 OK, the Zaryte Bow's probably been out long enough that someone will have found out where it truely shines. At the moment, I've heard that all it has going for it is it's an alternative to Chaotic Crossbow for the DG haters. It might also be good at TDs. Would be funny if Nex was weak to it, but that would mean no Divine/Ely/Spectral/DFS. 4x Phat owner: Blue, Green, 2x Purple 3100+ GWD bosses soloed.Solo GWD Drops:5 Bandos Plates, 4 Bandos Boots, 3 Bandos Hilts, 2 Arma Helms, Arma Skirt, Arma Plate, 3 Arma Hilts, 4 Zammy Spears, Steam Staff, 15 Sara Swords, 6 Sara Hilts, 29 Shards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green9090 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I can definitely see it being a convenient alternative to ccbow and rune bolts at TDs used alongside a 2h melee weapon like the maul, since you don't have to pick up ammo. Depends on how expensive it is per shot, though. Join "DG Sweepers" Clan Chat for Dungeoneering Floors | Accepting all tipiters who are Willing to Learn | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lugia_Lvl138 Posted January 29, 2011 Author Share Posted January 29, 2011 I can definitely see it being a convenient alternative to ccbow and rune bolts at TDs used alongside a 2h melee weapon like the maul, since you don't have to pick up ammo. Depends on how expensive it is per shot, though. I always liked CLS at TDs due to being able to use a Defender. Rune Crossbow also allows for a Defender. I like Defender so much at TDs because it really helps with Darklight. I'm also like 55k tokens away from CCbow. According to RSwiki, it's about 85 coins per shot, given our high Smithing Levels. 4x Phat owner: Blue, Green, 2x Purple 3100+ GWD bosses soloed.Solo GWD Drops:5 Bandos Plates, 4 Bandos Boots, 3 Bandos Hilts, 2 Arma Helms, Arma Skirt, Arma Plate, 3 Arma Hilts, 4 Zammy Spears, Steam Staff, 15 Sara Swords, 6 Sara Hilts, 29 Shards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kata_Phfract__the_slayer Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 if your rnageing and need a prayer bonous it would be usefull. not requreing ava's devise and equiping nomad cape, but besdies that, i dont see much use for it.1 item pking? I'm a Brony and proud of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy_Bunyip Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 zaryte bow is the best weapon for its relatively cheap repair costs. It's just ironic for the most expensive weapon's good point to be cheap to fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green9090 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I can definitely see it being a convenient alternative to ccbow and rune bolts at TDs used alongside a 2h melee weapon like the maul, since you don't have to pick up ammo. Depends on how expensive it is per shot, though. I always liked CLS at TDs due to being able to use a Defender. Rune Crossbow also allows for a Defender. I like Defender so much at TDs because it really helps with Darklight. I'm also like 55k tokens away from CCbow. According to RSwiki, it's about 85 coins per shot, given our high Smithing Levels.At the risk of thread derailment, I go back and forth between using a maul when I'm lazy and keeping a ddef in my inventory only to use with darklight (because, as you said, gigantic accuracy difference), or using a rapier with deflector and barrows gloves (I TD in void regardless of strategy) when I feel like getting faster kills and clicking a lot more. If I were doing the latter, I obviously would have to stick with the ccbow, but the zaryte bow would fit in nicely with the lazy maul strategy, especially with that nice low cost/shot and not having to pick up ammo. Join "DG Sweepers" Clan Chat for Dungeoneering Floors | Accepting all tipiters who are Willing to Learn | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghjkl Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Hand cannon is best at tds so the bow is only really useful for those with low firemaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green9090 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Hand cannon is best at tds so the bow is only really useful for those with low firemaking.I strongly prefer ccbow with rune arrows, having used both for many trips. Handcannon is MUCH less accurate, which means it takes longer to get the shield off, which means less time spent using your good weapon. That could be partly that I use void, though, which favors ranged bonus from the weapon a lot more than dhide. Ccbow also has the advantage of not blowing up though, one time I got unlucky and lost my handcannon and spare within 3 kills, at 95 fm. Join "DG Sweepers" Clan Chat for Dungeoneering Floors | Accepting all tipiters who are Willing to Learn | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lugia_Lvl138 Posted January 29, 2011 Author Share Posted January 29, 2011 Hand cannon is best at tds so the bow is only really useful for those with low firemaking.I strongly prefer ccbow with rune arrows, having used both for many trips. Handcannon is MUCH less accurate, which means it takes longer to get the shield off, which means less time spent using your good weapon. That could be partly that I use void, though, which favors ranged bonus from the weapon a lot more than dhide. Ccbow also has the advantage of not blowing up though, one time I got unlucky and lost my handcannon and spare within 3 kills, at 95 fm. I prefer D Hide as hitting a 250 or so, then my Steel Titan specing 200+ is better than me hitting 320 and my steel titan specing 0 due to Protect Range. 4x Phat owner: Blue, Green, 2x Purple 3100+ GWD bosses soloed.Solo GWD Drops:5 Bandos Plates, 4 Bandos Boots, 3 Bandos Hilts, 2 Arma Helms, Arma Skirt, Arma Plate, 3 Arma Hilts, 4 Zammy Spears, Steam Staff, 15 Sara Swords, 6 Sara Hilts, 29 Shards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghjkl Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Hand cannon is best at tds so the bow is only really useful for those with low firemaking.I strongly prefer ccbow with rune arrows, having used both for many trips. Handcannon is MUCH less accurate, which means it takes longer to get the shield off, which means less time spent using your good weapon. That could be partly that I use void, though, which favors ranged bonus from the weapon a lot more than dhide. Ccbow also has the advantage of not blowing up though, one time I got unlucky and lost my handcannon and spare within 3 kills, at 95 fm. I prefer D Hide as hitting a 250 or so, then my Steel Titan specing 200+ is better than me hitting 320 and my steel titan specing 0 due to Protect Range.Then karil's xbow would be better if you choose to use that logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green9090 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Hand cannon is best at tds so the bow is only really useful for those with low firemaking.I strongly prefer ccbow with rune arrows, having used both for many trips. Handcannon is MUCH less accurate, which means it takes longer to get the shield off, which means less time spent using your good weapon. That could be partly that I use void, though, which favors ranged bonus from the weapon a lot more than dhide. Ccbow also has the advantage of not blowing up though, one time I got unlucky and lost my handcannon and spare within 3 kills, at 95 fm. I prefer D Hide as hitting a 250 or so, then my Steel Titan specing 200+ is better than me hitting 320 and my steel titan specing 0 due to Protect Range.Then karil's xbow would be better if you choose to use that logic.Yup, which I've also tried but dislike because it's basically impossible to flash SS with it. Ccbow is a good mix between being likely to hit but not likely to pray block your titan, and being SSable. As for the void, the main advantage is the huge prayer bonus from void making your pray pots go further and skyrocketing your melee offense, which is worth a couple extra titan spec blocks IMO. Join "DG Sweepers" Clan Chat for Dungeoneering Floors | Accepting all tipiters who are Willing to Learn | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghjkl Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I don't ss flash except when meleeing and I still usually manage to last 2 ovls unless some stupid idiot comes and starts fail luring. But then again I use a chaotic maul for my melee weapon so ss flashing just comes naturally easier then with rapier or longsword with ccbow. But for all intents and purposes the zaryte is only basically a chaotic crossbow without the ability to fire gem tipped bolts. The only real advantage is the cost, but it cost a lot to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy_Bunyip Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I strongly prefer ccbow with rune arrows, having used both for many trips. Handcannon is MUCH less accurate, which means it takes longer to get the shield off, which means less time spent using your good weapon. That could be partly that I use void, though, which favors ranged bonus from the weapon a lot more than dhide. Ccbow also has the advantage of not blowing up though, one time I got unlucky and lost my handcannon and spare within 3 kills, at 95 fm.with a void setup, which is what I presume you use.DPS calculations indicate that ccbow will not be more than 1.17x as accurate than handcannon IF the ccbow has under 50% accuracy on TD'sif the ccbow has higher than 50% accuracy on td's, then the accuracy difference will be less than 1.17xif the accuracy is ~63% on td's, the accuracy difference will actually be about 1.08x That's really not noticeably enough to be huge.If you actually really thought it was noticeable, it's just your mind is just playing tricks on you. if you wear karils/dhide, the difference is even smaller due the inherent range bonus on that gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green9090 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 You don't think 8-17% more accurate is huge? Okay. By my definition that's pretty significant, especially considering that the goal with the ranged weapon is just to hit 300 as quickly as you can to move on to a weapon that doesn't suck, which for both ccbow and handcannon almost always means about two hits (non-misses). It's also important to take into account the advantage of using barrows gloves and deflector if your melee weapon is one handed, which in my experience helps the crossbow more than one might think (though not as much as the melee weapon, obviously) Join "DG Sweepers" Clan Chat for Dungeoneering Floors | Accepting all tipiters who are Willing to Learn | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amitoz Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 It's pretty beastly for arma GWD. Come to my Clan chat (I'm there if I'm online) if you wish to borrow a Green H'ween mask, Blue H'ween Mask, Red H'ween Mask, or Santa for a reasonable price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghjkl Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 It's pretty beastly for arma GWD. No it is not. Please stop posting [developmentally delayed]ed crap about things you have no idea about.Chaotic crossbow not only has a higher range attack, but the ability to use a shield and the ability to fire gem tipped bolts.There is no advantage for zaryte bow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golvellius Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 1-itemingI bet it has great range since it looks like a longbow.Definitely better against mages who freeze and move out of crossbow range.Could work well with a dbow spec switch. Please stop posting [developmentally delayed]ed crap about things you have no idea about.I request you do the same. Thanks. Exclusive Legacy Mode Player He just successfully trolled you with "courtesy" and managed to get a reaction out of you. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpx Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 1-itemingI bet it has great range since it looks like a longbow.Definitely better against mages who freeze and move out of crossbow range.Could work well with a dbow spec switch. Please stop posting [developmentally delayed]ed crap about things you have no idea about.I request you do the same. Thanks.And how many 1-itemers will be running around the wilderness with a 200-300m bow? Not only would hand cannon be more effective for that, you wouldn't need to risk your bank doing something that stupid. First to 99 Farming on 27. September, 2005.First to 3766 Port Score on 20. March, 2014.First to 4664 Port Score on 2. March, 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossed_Body Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Nope. That should answer your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirIzenhime Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 1-itemingI bet it has great range since it looks like a longbow.Definitely better against mages who freeze and move out of crossbow range.Could work well with a dbow spec switch. Please stop posting [developmentally delayed]ed crap about things you have no idea about.I request you do the same. Thanks. He was right though, the zaryte bow isn't good at arma, especially when compared to CCbow.Not only do you miss out on bolt specs, but you cannot use a shield. Fisher/Woodcut------Me-----Miner/crafter----Stabber----Leecher ^Golvellius must be so proud^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articultural Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 It's pretty beastly for arma GWD. No it is not. Please stop posting [developmentally delayed]ed crap about things you have no idea about.Chaotic crossbow not only has a higher range attack, but the ability to use a shield and the ability to fire gem tipped bolts.There is no advantage for zaryte bow. Both of them are +120 range attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 The ability to use a shield and the higher ranged attack are one and the same (void deflector or eagle eye kite or unholy book). It also comes with more defence :thumbup:. But yeah rubies are a big deal at Nex for example. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squisher_33 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 its entirely useless hand cannon has the same firing speed, same range, and has 150 range str compared to 115 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amitoz Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 its entirely useless hand cannon has the same firing speed, same range, and has 150 range str compared to 115Not to mention both can degrade.. eh. Disappointment. Come to my Clan chat (I'm there if I'm online) if you wish to borrow a Green H'ween mask, Blue H'ween Mask, Red H'ween Mask, or Santa for a reasonable price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logdotzip Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Handcannon doesn't degrade, it goes from there, to not there. my youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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