New Option: Buy Banned Accounts

[Grimy_Bunyip]

Ok, but then how come when we ask other mods explicitly they don't answer us.

not all mods are informed at all times

[TaylorSwift]

Maybe the other less senior JMods don't want to answer the question without getting permission / confirmation from the ICU team, which would take so much time/effort that they decide not to bother?

 

Its always possible Poppy did a boo-boo and she wasn't supposed to say it, either because we aren't supposed to know, or because its wrong.

 

But really, it makes sense - Do you think Jagex really has enough logs to reliably know how much botting the players from years gone by had done, and how much they should be rolled back?

[Dominion]

Bladewing: It's nothing against you, nor against bots that get famous for botting so well. (Or else why would s/he get rolled back?)

 

I simply despise dishonesty when it's evident the user botted according to Jagex punishing them part of the way for it. Using botted stats to earn an item and the stats reverted while the item remains is where I see a problem in "the end justifies the means."

 

Taylor Swift: I have full knowledge of how disconnected Jagex and all of the FMods and PMods can be at times over the course of my 8 year account with RuneScape.

 

Seen just about anything and everything. Ups and downs with each update and "claimed" offense against me accordingly. It's quite amusing honestly with the numerous players whom turned into Rant posters rather than Suggestion posters after 2007.

 

I know it may take a while for them to pull their efforts together and actually spread word around Jagex HQ of what changes are taking place in 2011. Soon as they have it planned out they shall inform us, then we can work on spreading that word to everyone and anyone that still plays RuneScape.

[xpx]

So if it's new bans, that's basically jagex saying 'hey, we want our share of the rwt profit, too'. But in any case, i can't really blame jagex for this, or infact anything. They brought back free trade, and i'm happy.

[Dominion]

xpx: Why do you imagine the prices went down on GE for just about everything? It isn't the GE that's failing -- it's the net value per GP with RWT voted back into the game (by the people).

 

Sadly nobody else was wise up to what Jagex did. They posted a vote and allowed botters to automated register e-mail addresses to accounts to vote "yes" 100k times per day.

 

The 7% of those against RWT would be overrun with "yes" votes obvious. And now Jagex can take their cut of the RWT by selling appeals and second chances at RuneScape.

 

And again.. to all those whom love saying it. Jagex runs the game they can do as they wish. But we pay to use the game and if we disagree with corruption we have the option to see how far they make it on their own if the game is only bots and RWT left. With nobody to sell to why ever would bots wish to pay to get their account returned? There wouldn't be that many to sell gold RWT to. And if it's for the 99s and 120.. who can bots show off to if all their human friends moved over to Warcraft?

 

To trolls whom will say "so why do you play if you hate it?" The mere fact we're here discussing this rather than running away is full proof we care about the future of RuneScape and Jagex.

[TaylorSwift]

MMH posted on my thread saying that there was a miscommunication. I guess that Mod Poppy was either wrong, or wasn't supposed to say that. Either that, or MMH is spin-doctoring again :P

 

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[ntn]

Hey first time posting (long time browser :D). If I wasn't banned right now i'd probably say "They deserve it". But after being banned recently (in my opinion unfairly), i'd say this is a good step by Jagex to allow people to buy back their accounts - especially if they've been unfairly banned.

[eee]

Hey first time posting (long time browser :D). If I wasn't banned right now i'd probably say "They deserve it". But after being banned recently (in my opinion unfairly), i'd say this is a good step by Jagex to allow people to buy back their accounts - especially if they've been unfairly banned.

 

I certainly wouldn't be willing to pay Jagex if I was banned unfairly.

[amitoz]

I can't see this option on any of my banned accounts.

Probably for the better mate..

[DefenceGod]

The thing is with buying back botted accounts maby some people that botted on a level 100+ they mite want it back. But when its just a level 3 that they were making money....they wont bother because they will just make another account and bott more and therefor having no reason to buy accounts back. But like i said people with accounts that were there mains depending on what was on them they mite be willing to buy it back.

[Bangin_Blonde]

Jagex: Just About Getting Effing Money <_<

[neocrosby]

My account (the only account I have ever played on) deserves this option. I really hope I get it. I started playing Runescape in September 2001. Was a member ever since it was an option.

I played it religiously all through highschool with my group of friends. After highschool I took a bit of a break, but as old friends also got back into the game so did I. around 2009, 8 years of playing the game combat level 124 or so, I cheated. I wholeheartedly regret it. I was in a rough point in my life. I was the only person in my group of friends after 8 years of playing this game I still didn't have a level 99 skill. (96hp, 93 range, 83 mining) I wanted to get a 99 so bad, I was desperate.

 

I heard of this autominer that my friend had been using for months. I used it and within a months time I had gotten up to level 97 mining. I really thought it was going to work, and I would have cheated my way to a level 99 that I had always wanted. Until one day I signed on and it was all over.

 

Without a single offense ever in the 8 years of playing this game, my account, without warning was perm-banned. I felt crushed. I immediately regretted my decisions. After two failed apology appeals, that was it. I severed all my ties from this game. It was hard. Like an old love, it was painful to try to forget. Of course 8 years of my life wasn't worth cheating. I can look back and realize how desperate I was, but have learned my lesson. I will never make that mistake if I am ever given the chance to get my account back. I remember checking back at the 6 month and 1 year anniversaries of my ban really hoping I would get a last chance appeal or something, but never anything. It has now been a year and a half since I was banned. I have obviously learned my lesson.

 

Even without my character or any real hopes of getting it back ever, I still find myself checking out Runescape. Seeing how the world I once loved so dearly has changed and evolved. Now that the wilderness and free trade are back, like the good old days that I was so fond of, the regret of cheating hurts far worse than ever before.

 

I remembered last week getting some hope when I saw the release of Banned Account Reinstatement, thinking wow, I would make a great candidate for this.

I am willing to "buy off" my penalties, if that means the month of my life I wasted running that stupid autominer and my mining reset back to level 82, I don't care I just want my account back. Anyone who has lost something they held so close for 8 years of their childhood, having been taken from them for a year and a half would learn their lesson, don't you think?

I sure have, I am willing to pay for my wrongdoings. I would become a member again and obviously a honest playing player of the runescape community.

 

I never received the option to buy my account back unfortunately. Is it for real only players banned after this update get this option?

That is absolutely unfair. I find it hard to believe anyone can think of a more deserving player than I to deserve something like this.

Jagex should be giving this to their now-adult players who have stuck with them since year 1, who have made 1 damn mistake and have done hard time for it, rather than letting new players slide and never really feel the hurt of being banned for so long.

 

So who is with me?

[foursideking]

@crosby: sadly, I am not with you. Even though you only cheated once, you still effectively botted to get your levels knowing that it was against the rules. Sure, it may seem unfair that jagex is only opening it up to people who get banned after the update, but to truly understand it, you should imagine it from the point of view you'd have if you had never been banned at all. Think about it, you play for 9 years mistake-free, and now jagex is showing their thanks, by allowing you to nullify a mistake should you make one in the future.

[neocrosby]

@crosby: sadly, I am not with you....

 

I respect your opinion. Just believe me after a year and a half of being banned I have learned my lesson. I could have went on and just made a new account, but it wouldn't have been the same. That character was my only character, I am sure you know what its like having something you held so dearly. I threw it all away. I deserved it, i know... I am not in regret that I got caught, I was at first, but after over a year of sitting with my punishment I started to think what if I did get to 99 mining and didn't get caught? How dishonest. Living with the fact that the time in 8 years of my life invested into my character was completely negated by 1 month of cheating. The then importance of having 1 level 99 stat was greater than my character as a whole? I was wrong.

 

My argument is not that I still deserve to be punished further. My argument is why is it fair that people who committed the same mistakes I have today, who have invested far less time into the game, and far less time being punished, deserve to have the easy buy out, and I don't? My argument is that this update should be for banned players of the past, not of the future.

 

 

I didn't fully understand your point until I reread your statement and can agree that at first it seems like what you say makes sense, however I did play this game 8 years mistake free, and didn't get the chance that kids who have played this game for 6 months and make a mistake will get. It doesn't "seem" unfair. It is unfair.

This was my first offense ever in all those years, my character would have been going on 10 years old now... that kind of loyalty to a game means nothing when they can let people with several offenses over long periods of time get appealed, and now bought back? For shame... now I am started to question if I even want to play a game where the creators have such distorted mindsets.

Edited February 11, 2011 by neocrosby

[Ginger_Warrior]

Hey first time posting (long time browser :D). If I wasn't banned right now i'd probably say "They deserve it". But after being banned recently (in my opinion unfairly), i'd say this is a good step by Jagex to allow people to buy back their accounts - especially if they've been unfairly banned.

 

I certainly wouldn't be willing to pay Jagex if I was banned unfairly.

I know sure as heck I wouldn't buy back my old account if the chance were offered to me. I was banned many years ago for an offence, for which they provided no evidence and to the best of my knowledge I never committed, least of all set out to commit on purpose. Apparently their detection system was foolproof. That's all I got to know.

[foursideking]

If that were the case though, then what's stopping people from lieing about their bans. I'll use another example:

 

Let's say a person in 2005 scams multiple accounts, and steals 600m in items. The only 'ban' on his account though is from the account that he stole 250m from. He could easily say that he only scammed 1person for 250m, and jagex would be none the wiser. I understand your arguement partially, as you seem to be ignoring the people who have played within the same range as you. Why should this only count for people after? Why shouldn't it? Jagex makes changes to other aspects of the game all the time, yet you don't see me complaining about the 'easier ways to train that weren't available years ago', or the 'new ways of making gp that are quicker than the old ones'. So, why should it only affect people after? Because 1) it'd prevent liars from fooling jagex, and 2) because then jagex would need to change things around every time someone says 'well, that didn't exist when I was doing it a year ago'. Be grateful of the experiences you/your friends had, and cherish those. As for your account, 'risk not what you are willing to lose'.

[neocrosby]

If that were the case though, then what's stopping people from lieing about their bans. I'll use another example:

 

...

 

What does lying about bans have anything to do with the points I am trying to make. How does Jagex rate one crime worse than another? Was I some jerk stealing peoples items? No. I was that jerk trying to unfairly get level 99 mining while also having a real life outside of Runescape, thats all. I am not trying to fool anyone, I've been completely honest with admitting my wrongdoings in this game. I've admitted I deserved to be banned. My argument lies with I don't think I deserve a permanent ban, when people now are being allowed to fork over mommy and daddies money to wash away their wrongdoings and giving longtime players of the past no such option. If I ran the game I'd want to help out the players who were there in 2001 and 2002 giving me $5 a month to start building this game from a [cabbage]ty nearly 2d game, into what it is today. Instead of giving handouts to the bandwagon kids of the last several years and forgetting their older players. Just be fair and give this option to everyone if you are going to make it an option at all.

 

For example, a friend who showed this macro software to me during the month I made the mistake was also using it on fishing. He used it to fish from somewhere in the 80s to level 98. When he got on one day his fishing level just happened to be 92, so he quit playing. I am just frusterated and really questioning the people who sit behind Jagex desks looking at cheating customers. Are some laid back and like, oh i'll just rollback the dudes stats a bit... (this same character was also permanently muted several years prior) Did I just get some jagex employee who was having a bad day read up on my case? Saw that I was macroing in Rimmington on iron ores, and instead of noticing, well hey, this guy has gained quite a bit of mining xp in the last month, I could roll him back, but screw it, I am pissed at my girlfriend so I am going to take it out on this dude instead. no black marks...played since nearly the beginning of the game...oh well PERM BANNED with no chance of ever seeing daylight again. I guess so.

[foursideking]

@neo: you didn't entirely answer both my arguements, but I'll try to answer your 'partial' one. Your arguement confuses me, as before, you sounded like someone who made one mistake and should've deserved it. However now, there are a few things that have left me partially-confused. Sure, you may have been around for longer, but as you clearly know, games change. Why should an update in the present affect things in the past? As far as i/many others see things, stuff you do in the past should be left...in the past. Your arguement is that 'I made one mistake in the past, and I deserve to get that settled/wiped, but newer people don't'. Here's a question: if someone got pk'd/killed for their items in the past, what should happen to them? Your arguement is that all people of the past should be forgiven/have this option. Therefore, if your arguement was correct, then jagex should give everyone who ever got scammed, killed in wildy, killed by a monster, or generally lost any items their items back. I still don't get your arguement 100%, and your 'I've played longer so I'm holier than thou' attitude hasn't exactly helped...

[neocrosby]

@neo: you didn't entirely answer both my arguements, but I'll try to answer your 'partial' one. Your arguement confuses me, as before, you sounded like someone who made one mistake and should've deserved it. However now, there are a few things that have left me partially-confused. Sure, you may have been around for longer, but as you clearly know, games change. Why should an update in the present affect things in the past? As far as i/many others see things, stuff you do in the past should be left...in the past. Your arguement is that 'I made one mistake in the past, and I deserve to get that settled/wiped, but newer people don't'. Here's a question: if someone got pk'd/killed for their items in the past, what should happen to them? Your arguement is that all people of the past should be forgiven/have this option. Therefore, if your arguement was correct, then jagex should give everyone who ever got scammed, killed in wildy, killed by a monster, or generally lost any items their items back. I still don't get your arguement 100%, and your 'I've played longer so I'm holier than thou' attitude hasn't exactly helped...

 

Sorry for not answering your questions, I didn't how they had any relevance to points I am trying to make.

People complaining about how its easier to train their character now with new updates should have had those options all along make no sense. You are right the game does change. Those are in game changes and updates... The Reinstatement of Banned Accounts isn't an in game update such as things added to the game. It is so different it makes no sense to lump them together. It just makes our debate confusing and way off topic. I understand what you are getting at here, but the difference between training in game changing throughout the years is way different than changing the way people can cheat and get away with it throughout the years.

 

I am not debating people losing items fairly in game due to wilderness pking and such, being scammed, killed by monsters their items back, that is completely ludicris and has nothing to do with what I am saying.

 

I can see how you being a new player could take me as an "I am better than you because I have seniority" or whatever, but that isn't what I am using for validation to receive fair treatment in getting my account back just like everyone else who has ever been banned. I think I have received cruel or unusual punishment based on how easy people can get away with cheating these days. I didn't think that way before this was released. All I am arguing is its unjust to just pick a date and say, ok you cheaters can get away with giving us money for your account back, and all y'all before can't. Thats all.

[Dominion]

Neocrosby: It's your lucky day!

 

QFC: 250-251-3-62411000

 

Mod SteveW is leading the discussion accepting all users wishing to post for unbans. This "fee" has yet to be shown on any YouTube videos. But February 17th 2011 marks the first ever BAR (Banned Account Reinstatement). And I'm still ticked they didn't give me credit for inventing that name February 7th 2011 on my post to Taylor Swift's thread where all of the JMods were answering questions and stuff.

 

I'm completely against this new policy but if it's Jagex they always do what they want without regard to what the players want.

 

My ban lasted 3 years on Kire667. I earned it back FREE. They should continue NOT encouraging users to bot with new ways to get out of bans, and just accept that we all pay enough money for membership to fund rule enforcement. You don't see World of Warcraft opening up a page for "Click here to buy back your banned accounts". So why should Jagex?

 

Hell. If they actually do this I'm should start botting and RWT right now and IF they catch me I'll buy back everything from them for a fraction of the price I bought them for. Have maxed every skill in under 1 year (which took me 8 years for 9 skill capes the legit method) and be the best thing that ever happened to this game. Hell! They may even make me player moderator since I'll bot my way to the top 10 ranks of game. *yesh*

 

Nothing against you. We all consider the dark side at times. Some actually cross over into it. It's just they're going about this all the wrong way. You CAN'T promote unfair unbans to children and NOT expect them all to go bot crazy thinking long as there's cash in their pocket they can pay unban by simply POSTING for unban after they get denied.

 

ntn: I was unfairly banned as well. I've posted my 13 perm ban videos on YouTube fully showing inbox after inbox from Jagex of where they claimed websites aren't allowed and now they unfiltered "Google" and allow "YouTube" and they even got their own list of URLs posted on the forum.

 

13 times it took being banned on Kire667 for them to give in and finally realize Rule 11 is misused. Not every website is bad. In fact they learned a hard lesson.. free advertisement is what made their game #1. And now they run their own 3 channels on YouTube and link to Twitter and Facebook through various spots on RS News and so forth.

 

Never once paid for any of my appeals. I fully earned them after final chance got declined. It took 3 years for my longest perm ban. But it was well worth it for the rights and freedoms now given to everyone since 2009. We've moved out of the dark ages. All these new players take it for granted through -- years of hard struggle on the backs of all us Runescape rioters. This is merely another test of our will to stand together and stand strong against Jagex corruption!

 

Say hell no to paying for what's free. The right to an appeal.

[Bladewing]

Jagex: Just About Getting Effing Money <_<

jagem?

[anonymouse_]

cba reading all the above posts but it costs ~$22.50

 

I can't see this option on any of my banned accounts.

Probably for the better mate..

wouldn't buy it anyways, I have much better stats + bank now

[brainymidget]

ntn: I was unfairly banned as well. I've posted my 13 perm ban videos on YouTube fully showing inbox after inbox from Jagex of where they claimed websites aren't allowed and now they unfiltered "Google" and allow "YouTube" and they even got their own list of URLs posted on the forum.

 

13 times it took being banned on Kire667 for them to give in and finally realize Rule 11 is misused. Not every website is bad. In fact they learned a hard lesson.. free advertisement is what made their game #1. And now they run their own 3 channels on YouTube and link to Twitter and Facebook through various spots on RS News and so forth.

 

Never once paid for any of my appeals. I fully earned them after final chance got declined. It took 3 years for my longest perm ban. But it was well worth it for the rights and freedoms now given to everyone since 2009. We've moved out of the dark ages. All these new players take it for granted through -- years of hard struggle on the backs of all us Runescape rioters. This is merely another test of our will to stand together and stand strong against Jagex corruption!

 

Say hell no to paying for what's free. The right to an appeal.

 

Haha, I know how you feel. I got a black mark on the forums for posting a link to the runescape knowledge database. I mean it wasn't a ban or anything but I still hate to have that on my record.

[Nash]

Hey NeoCrosby im sorry to hear about your loss. Honestly I hope you do get your account back. For the sake of not getting trolled on by the noobs on these forums though Im going to say I hope they reset your mining to 1 just to make things fair for the sake of the kids who didnt like this "unbanning" idea to begin with.

 

Sounds fair right guys?

 

 

No need to troll him...

[Knitewulf]

My account (the only account I have ever played on) deserves this option. I really hope I get it. I started playing Runescape in September 2001. Was a member ever since it was an option.

I played it religiously all through highschool with my group of friends. After highschool I took a bit of a break, but as old friends also got back into the game so did I. around 2009, 8 years of playing the game combat level 124 or so, I cheated. I wholeheartedly regret it. I was in a rough point in my life. I was the only person in my group of friends after 8 years of playing this game I still didn't have a level 99 skill. (96hp, 93 range, 83 mining) I wanted to get a 99 so bad, I was desperate.

 

I heard of this autominer that my friend had been using for months. I used it and within a months time I had gotten up to level 97 mining. I really thought it was going to work, and I would have cheated my way to a level 99 that I had always wanted. Until one day I signed on and it was all over.

 

Without a single offense ever in the 8 years of playing this game, my account, without warning was perm-banned. I felt crushed. I immediately regretted my decisions. After two failed apology appeals, that was it. I severed all my ties from this game. It was hard. Like an old love, it was painful to try to forget. Of course 8 years of my life wasn't worth cheating. I can look back and realize how desperate I was, but have learned my lesson. I will never make that mistake if I am ever given the chance to get my account back. I remember checking back at the 6 month and 1 year anniversaries of my ban really hoping I would get a last chance appeal or something, but never anything. It has now been a year and a half since I was banned. I have obviously learned my lesson.

 

Even without my character or any real hopes of getting it back ever, I still find myself checking out Runescape. Seeing how the world I once loved so dearly has changed and evolved. Now that the wilderness and free trade are back, like the good old days that I was so fond of, the regret of cheating hurts far worse than ever before.

 

I remembered last week getting some hope when I saw the release of Banned Account Reinstatement, thinking wow, I would make a great candidate for this.

I am willing to "buy off" my penalties, if that means the month of my life I wasted running that stupid autominer and my mining reset back to level 82, I don't care I just want my account back. Anyone who has lost something they held so close for 8 years of their childhood, having been taken from them for a year and a half would learn their lesson, don't you think?

I sure have, I am willing to pay for my wrongdoings. I would become a member again and obviously a honest playing player of the runescape community.

 

I never received the option to buy my account back unfortunately. Is it for real only players banned after this update get this option?

That is absolutely unfair. I find it hard to believe anyone can think of a more deserving player than I to deserve something like this.

Jagex should be giving this to their now-adult players who have stuck with them since year 1, who have made 1 damn mistake and have done hard time for it, rather than letting new players slide and never really feel the hurt of being banned for so long.

 

So who is with me?

 

Sounds like jagex did you a favor by banning you...