Ginger_Warrior Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Please, spare me your damn excuses. Theft is theft, we're not talking about stealing bread here. If what you're doing is so ethically not bad, go into HMV, stuff a CD under your coat, and when the magnetic beeper goes off on your way out you can tell the store owner about how the industry's wealth distribution is so unfair that it makes you the victim, so you had to steal it. See if he or the law gives two. | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Runar Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Please, spare me your damn excuses. Theft is theft, we're not talking about stealing bread here. If what you're doing is so ethically not bad, go into HMV, stuff a CD under your coat, and when the magnetic beeper goes off on your way out you can tell the store owner about how the industry's wealth distribution is so unfair that it makes you the victim, so you had to steal it. See if he or the law gives two. Why is it so hard for people to understand that piracy ≠ theft? If you steal a CD, the shopkeeper loses it. If you pirate it, whoever you got it from still has it. Besides, no matter whether piracy is right or wrong, no one can deny the fact that it's here to stay. Record companies cannot stop it anymore, they can just accept it and adapt to it. The Runar's (OSRS) DIY blog - most viewed Blogscape blog ever! Contract? ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skull Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Please, spare me your damn excuses. Theft is theft, we're not talking about stealing bread here. If what you're doing is so ethically not bad, go into HMV, stuff a CD under your coat, and when the magnetic beeper goes off on your way out you can tell the store owner about how the industry's wealth distribution is so unfair that it makes you the victim, so you had to steal it. See if he or the law gives two.There is a pretty big difference with potential vs actual loss, but it is essentially a very similar crime. I'm sure someone else will argue it. I just like getting my [cabbage] for free, tbh. If I could buy music at like 10% of it's current price then sure, I'd pay for it. Honestly though, until someone does something about it, I don't see a reason not to download it. It's not like I'd buy it if downloading wasn't available. Before I knew how to download I just used YouTube. [bleep] the law, they can eat my dick that's word to Pimp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Why is it so hard for people to understand that piracy ≠ theft? If you steal a CD, the shopkeeper loses it. If you pirate it, whoever you got it from still has it. I have tried to explain that countless times to people, but they never really understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Why can't there be a library system? Pay a fee and then all the music you want. $1 a song is way too much.That's actually a good idea. Problem would be, if one popular band or artist doesn't want to become part of it (Or, an entire label, too) a lot of people could be turned off of it. And it could be hard to pay artists that way. How much from each membership would go to each artist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Range_This11 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Because the music industry is and always has been a racket. They control almost all mainstream radio (Clear Channel Communications), playing the same songs over and over again, generating a false sense of "popular" music. They back this up by selling these "popular" albums in stores for an extremely high price. As long as they can squeeeeeeze just a little bit more money out of the situation, why wouldn't they? "He could climb to it, if he climbed alone, and once there he could suck on the pap of life, gulp down the incomparable milk of wonder." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Runar Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Why can't there be a library system? Pay a fee and then all the music you want. $1 a song is way too much. Spotify is like that, but it's not available everywhere yet if ever. 5 / month and you can listen as much as you want. It has a lot of songs (over 10 million), but it still lacks a lot of my favorites. Too bad, otherwise I could pay for it. The Runar's (OSRS) DIY blog - most viewed Blogscape blog ever! Contract? ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resistance Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Frankly, I don't care whether or not the artist gets money or whether the label gets a money, I don't have much respect for musicians and couldn't care less if they get a decrease in the ridiculous salary they already get (around $200,000 per show). I couldn't possibilly comprehend how a music artist could want more money. Besides, 79p a song isn't reasonable! I mean I will only listen to it once. Piracy isn't theft, only an idiot could think that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Why can't there be a library system? Pay a fee and then all the music you want. $1 a song is way too much.I think Napster does that now, and there's a system called Rhapsody that I know does as well. Hell, there are online radio services that you can pay for and get that kind of thing. I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 $200,000 a show? What? 2257AD.TUMBLR.COM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Runar Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Frankly, I don't care whether or not the artist gets money or whether the label gets a money, I don't have much respect for musicians and couldn't care less if they get a decrease in the ridiculous salary they already get (around $200,000 per show). I couldn't possibilly comprehend how a music artist could want more money. Besides, 79p a song isn't reasonable! I mean I will only listen to it once. Piracy isn't theft, only an idiot could think that. You just described mainstream artists. What do you think about indie bands, which certainly don't get $200,000 a show? The Runar's (OSRS) DIY blog - most viewed Blogscape blog ever! Contract? ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Range_This11 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Frankly, I don't care whether or not the artist gets money or whether the label gets a money, I don't have much respect for musicians and couldn't care less if they get a decrease in the ridiculous salary they already get (around $200,000 per show). I couldn't possibilly comprehend how a music artist could want more money. Besides, 79p a song isn't reasonable! I mean I will only listen to it once. Piracy isn't theft, only an idiot could think that. You just described mainstream artists. What do you think about indie bands, which certainly don't get $200,000 a show?And very few mainstream artists at that. Even if they do make 200 grand a show, there is NO way they keep all of that. No way. "He could climb to it, if he climbed alone, and once there he could suck on the pap of life, gulp down the incomparable milk of wonder." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resistance Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Frankly, I don't care whether or not the artist gets money or whether the label gets a money, I don't have much respect for musicians and couldn't care less if they get a decrease in the ridiculous salary they already get (around $200,000 per show). I couldn't possibilly comprehend how a music artist could want more money. Besides, 79p a song isn't reasonable! I mean I will only listen to it once. Piracy isn't theft, only an idiot could think that. You just described mainstream artists. What do you think about indie bands, which certainly don't get $200,000 a show?I have even less respect for them. They should get a side-job, being an artist doesn't consume all of your time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldJoe Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 @Resistance: You only listen to a song once? Wow! Frankly, I'm impressed. J'adore aussi le sexe et les snuff moviesJe trouve que ce sont des purs moments de vieJe ne me reconnais plus dans les gensJe suis juste un cas désespérantEt comme personne ne viendra me réclamerJe terminerai comme un objet retrouvé Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennywise Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I don't really think piracy is as big a deal as the industry makes it out to be. I pirate music, but it's not like I was going to pay for the album anyway. Eight Bananas, MD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstain Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Please, spare me your damn excuses. Theft is theft, we're not talking about stealing bread here. If what you're doing is so ethically not bad, go into HMV, stuff a CD under your coat, and when the magnetic beeper goes off on your way out you can tell the store owner about how the industry's wealth distribution is so unfair that it makes you the victim, so you had to steal it. See if he or the law gives two. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_gZZHu4TBk I don't really think piracy is as big a deal as the industry makes it out to be. I pirate music, but it's not like I was going to pay for the album anyway. Exactly, I download music sometimes, but I don't even own an mp3 player or ipod of any kind. If there was no downloading music, I'd do what I did before: not buy music and only listen to it in the car/on the computer sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennywise Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Please, spare me your damn excuses. Theft is theft, we're not talking about stealing bread here. If what you're doing is so ethically not bad, go into HMV, stuff a CD under your coat, and when the magnetic beeper goes off on your way out you can tell the store owner about how the industry's wealth distribution is so unfair that it makes you the victim, so you had to steal it. See if he or the law gives two. Piracy isn't theft. Theft is taking the original copy without consent. Piracy is taking a copy of the original and leaving the original still intact. Physically taking a CD from a store without paying for it is theft because you're removing an actual item from the store, so nobody gets it. That is a bad analogy and doesn't really fit. Eight Bananas, MD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Posted February 5, 2011 Author Share Posted February 5, 2011 I have even less respect for them. They should get a side-job, being an artist doesn't consume all of your time!Do you realize how much knowledge is required to make innovative music? When you consider the earnings of some other professions out there, it doesn't make sense to not pay artists. Matt: You want that eh? You want everything good for you. You want everything that's--falls off garbage can Camera guy: Whoa, haha, are you okay dude? Matt: You want anything funny that happens, don't you? Camera guy: still laughing Matt: You want the funny shit that happens here and there, you think it comes out of your [bleep]ing [wagon] pushes garbage can down, don't you? You think it's funny? It comes out of here! running towards Camera guy Camera guy: runs away still laughing Matt: You think the funny comes out of your mother[bleep]ing creativity? Comes out of Satan, mother[bleep]er! nn--ngh! pushes Camera guy down Camera guy: Hoooholy [bleep]! Matt: FUNNY ISN'T REAL! FUNNY ISN'T REAL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resistance Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I'm not an artist but if I was its not a job that I would expect or deserve to make a lot of money with, its basically a glorified busker.Doctor gets payed less then an artist, logic problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I'm not an artist but if I was its not a job that I would expect or deserve to make a lot of money with, its basically a glorified busker.Doctor gets payed less then an artist, logic problem?No, because there are lots of doctors but few artists. Pig iron is stronger than gold but gold is worth more because there isn't as much of it.Plus, an artist is really no different from any other entertainer... Though for musicians to get any good it takes a ridiculous amount of practice and the jobs themselves come infrequently, apparently. I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Posted February 6, 2011 Author Share Posted February 6, 2011 Doctor gets payed less then an artist, logic problem?If that was true then why would they need a side job? The logic problem is on your side... Indie artists make very little money if they're lucky, otherwise they often operate at a loss. Matt: You want that eh? You want everything good for you. You want everything that's--falls off garbage can Camera guy: Whoa, haha, are you okay dude? Matt: You want anything funny that happens, don't you? Camera guy: still laughing Matt: You want the funny shit that happens here and there, you think it comes out of your [bleep]ing [wagon] pushes garbage can down, don't you? You think it's funny? It comes out of here! running towards Camera guy Camera guy: runs away still laughing Matt: You think the funny comes out of your mother[bleep]ing creativity? Comes out of Satan, mother[bleep]er! nn--ngh! pushes Camera guy down Camera guy: Hoooholy [bleep]! Matt: FUNNY ISN'T REAL! FUNNY ISN'T REAL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resistance Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I am being one sided because I am angry at people actually giving money to artists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I am being one sided because I am angry at people actually giving money to artists.Now, what makes them any different from other professions? It isn't all fun and games. I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemeja Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Simply put, if music wasn't free, I wouldn't listen to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Posted February 6, 2011 Author Share Posted February 6, 2011 OK, so either that was a troll or he's extremely unreasonable and we should get back to the debate at hand... Matt: You want that eh? You want everything good for you. You want everything that's--falls off garbage can Camera guy: Whoa, haha, are you okay dude? Matt: You want anything funny that happens, don't you? Camera guy: still laughing Matt: You want the funny shit that happens here and there, you think it comes out of your [bleep]ing [wagon] pushes garbage can down, don't you? You think it's funny? It comes out of here! running towards Camera guy Camera guy: runs away still laughing Matt: You think the funny comes out of your mother[bleep]ing creativity? Comes out of Satan, mother[bleep]er! nn--ngh! pushes Camera guy down Camera guy: Hoooholy [bleep]! Matt: FUNNY ISN'T REAL! FUNNY ISN'T REAL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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