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@blyaunte: you're oversimplifying it. If a husband and his wife consent to having sex, and she later hears it's a 'bad idea', can she later go to the police and call it rape? Legally, she can, hell, she could charge him with committing a hate crime if she thought it through. After all this, is it her fault? Imo, it is, seeing as she <consented to it, knowing the consequences>. Now sure, in this case, the 'victim' is 13, but still, I bet everyone around that age was told by adults 'never to talk to strangers'. She did anyways, and she carried on, knowing fully well of the consequences.


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@blyaunte: you're oversimplifying it. If a husband and his wife consent to having sex, and she later hears it's a 'bad idea', can she later go to the police and call it rape? Legally, she can, hell, she could charge him with committing a hate crime if she thought it through. After all this, is it her fault? Imo, it is, seeing as she <consented to it, knowing the consequences>. Now sure, in this case, the 'victim' is 13, but still, I bet everyone around that age was told by adults 'never to talk to strangers'. She did anyways, and she carried on, knowing fully well of the consequences.

 

Actually the circumstances are very similar -- they, like the issue at question, all relate to a matter of "trust".

 

The altar boy trusts the priest. A wife trusts her husband -- this child trusted this man. Like any confidence scheme, the perpetrator manipulated the child into a position of submission. He was no longer a stranger.

 

The action this man committed against this child is entirely unconscionable. There is no way whatsoever you can mitigate it by attempting to point a finger of blame at the child.


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A 13 year old should have been smart enough to get out of this. If it only happened once then it would have been rape, but she went back another two times. I wish people would stop saying it wasn't her fault at all because it really was partly her fault.

So -- when a priest rapes an altar boy numerous times, it's the altar boy's fault?

 

When a husband rapes his wife, is it the wife's fault?

 

Those are all strawmen. The big thing here, that everyone conveniently avoids, is that the girl consented several times. She consented to "marrying" him, she consented to giving him her address, she consented to him coming over, she consented to going with him, she consented to taking her pants off... several times. SHE did all of those things and SHE is fully capable of using logic. Yes, children are bound to make more mistakes than adults... but that doesn't mean they don't count as mistakes. She is still a fallible human, able to think and make conscious choices and mistakes - just as any adult does. She made the mistake of giving consent to an old creepy man several times. I stand behind the fact that it was not a good decision.

 

Please explain this to me. I can't wait for your to start your career in victim assessment and psychology ... :rolleyes:

 

People, open your damn eyes! Little girls are not infallible! Maybe you guys are just embarrassed that you were stupid at a young age, and thus try to brush the responsibility of your actions off your shoulders by arguing that people have no control over their youth. Stop denying the truth for mental comfort!

 

Actually the circumstances are very similar -- they, like the issue at question, all relate to a matter of "trust".

 

The altar boy trusts the priest. A wife trusts her husband -- this child trusted this man. Like any confidence scheme, the perpetrator manipulated the child into a position of submission. He was no longer a stranger.

 

Going to church because your mom is making you =/= telling a 50-year-old Runescaper where you live.

 

Marriage is a bit of a gray area though. Personally, I don't see why a wife would put up such a big fight over not wanting to have sex with her own husband, but that's a different topic.

 

1.)The action this man committed against this child is entirely unconscionable. 2.)There is no way whatsoever you can mitigate it by attempting to point a finger of blame at the child.

 

1.) Agreed, he's a bad man and deserves legal action against him.

2.) Not that I'm trying to take any of the blame off him, but there is the fact that she could have easily prevented it from happening. The fact...

 

Nope. It is pretty much fact that you do not develop critical thinking skills until much later. Maybe ya'll should check what crit thinking entails

 

And someone showed you exactly what it entails - you just ignored it, like any other time the evidence isn't going the way you want it to.

 

There's a big difference in saying a child is not responsible for getting raped and they aren't blameworthy for anything

 

She is blameworthy for the following: Having an online relationship with a RSer, giving this RSer her actual address, telling him to come over, and taking her pants off. Now let's put two and two together... This entire collection of dumb choices directly led up to the sex, it was well within her power to make different (more reasonable) choices, therefore she could have (and should have) easily prevented the sex. But since she didn't (time after time), and she could have (quite easily), then she is at least partially responsible, by definition of the word.

 

You're fourteen, get out.

 

Since the lazy ass mods refuse to ban me or mod my account, I'll be at zybez, where the people out of diapers isn't a small minority

 

The myth that you cannot think rationally until adulthood is a joke I see repeated by self-righteous adults over and over again because they think they have such a higher understanding of the world, but does it hold up? Absolutely not, there are some children who demonstrate higher thinking skills than some adults. (Fact: Psychological maturity for the most part is subjective.)

 

Not to mention, defending her actions only encourages lost teenage girls to blindly follow their distorted emotions. I for one have a soul and believe there are other girls in similar positions that have the ability to get themselves out of that situation successfully. By saying she had no control over the situation, you are implying that there is absolutely nothing she could have done but get raped by the old man, which, not only is entirely false, but is also an insult to the girls who actually were raped against their will.

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So, I'm 14, close to her age. Maybe I can vouch for the critical thinking skills of most kids my age.

 

Most of us know to be careful. Are we always? No. We figure the bad things won't happen to us, so we don't hesitate when our online friend asks for our e-mail address, we just tell them. But that's about as far as it goes. If I went to a 54 year old man's house, I would know what was going to happen (If it had happened before, especially), and if I went along with it, I would be responsible. That being said, I wouldn't go along with it. I'd think "Hey, the fact that a 54 year old just told me to sneak over to his house is a bit [bleeped] up. I think I won't go, and maybe call the cops."

 

You're fourteen, get out.

 

I'm just going to say that's an really stupid comment. For once, the younger posters are going to be the most credible here, because we can actually say "I would do that" or "I wouldn't do that". If it's the first one, and it happened for a majority of younger people, then it would be a result of a lack of thinking ability. But if most younger teens said they understand it's wrong, then this girl probably knew it was wrong. Therefore, she would be the one to blame. She wasn't forcibly raped, as mentioned earlier, she consented to it. Multiple times. Unless she was forced into it, I don't see how she can't be blamed.

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So, I'm 14, close to her age. Maybe I can vouch for the critical thinking skills of most kids my age.

 

Most of us know to be careful. Are we always? No. We figure the bad things won't happen to us, so we don't hesitate when our online friend asks for our e-mail address, we just tell them. But that's about as far as it goes. If I went to a 54 year old man's house, I would know what was going to happen (If it had happened before, especially), and if I went along with it, I would be responsible. That being said, I wouldn't go along with it. I'd think "Hey, the fact that a 54 year old just told me to sneak over to his house is a bit [bleeped] up. I think I won't go, and maybe call the cops."

 

I definitely agree with this. Although three years older, I've always had a decent level of common sense to realize limits to doing certain things through out my teen years. If I was placed in the position of that girl, I'd actually have the intelligence to tell me that there is a high level chance that someone bad would probably go down.

 

If the girl is actually going to accept seeing this guy and even have sex with him... honestly? That's just her (well, both of them). Maybe she has daddy issues if she's actually willing to do a 54 year old dude or just desperate to follow some sex fad at school, I don't know.

 

It's basically both their faults and they both have issues. The guy thought a videogame wedding real and was willing to do a young teenager, and the chick lacked common sense and has something for doing old dudes. They both need help :mellow:

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Man some of you guys have some sort of warped senses of what is right and wrong here.

 

Obviously the old guy is a pedo, is [bleep]ed up and should go to jail.

 

As far as the girl goes at that age, yeah, you can be pretty dumb. However if I was here parents (or guardian, or whatever) [and get away from the fact that I wouldn't let something like this happen in the first place] I would cut off all internet access for her and really try and teach her about safety. Obviously she messed up but she should be punished and taught by her parents, not punished by the law or something dumb.

 

 

And I don't really think she fully understands the severity of what she was doing. It's kind of hard to pass further judgement without knowing more though.

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What 'middle ground' is there in rape? The only difference between sex and rape is consent. Do you give consent or not? Where's the middle ground in a "Yes/No" answer?

 

Did she maybe give consent?

 

first one was rape, then the second one was consensual because she'd already did it once and the second time wasn't such a big deal? maybe?

 

I'm grasping at straws here.

 

also: @Giordano

 

you've obviously never had a rape victim open up to you. Personally, I think I'd choose death over having sex with a 54 year old man.


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A 13 year old should have been smart enough to get out of this. If it only happened once then it would have been rape, but she went back another two times. I wish people would stop saying it wasn't her fault at all because it really was partly her fault.

 

You're fourteen, get out.

 

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"I'm older then you therefore i'm right" isn't an arguement. Anyway being not much older then she is should give me a better understanding of the situation should it not?

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A 13 year old should have been smart enough to get out of this. If it only happened once then it would have been rape, but she went back another two times. I wish people would stop saying it wasn't her fault at all because it really was partly her fault.

 

You're fourteen, get out.

 

Since the lazy ass mods refuse to ban me or mod my account, I'll be at zybez, where the people out of diapers isn't a small minority

 

Good. No one cares. I sure don't. Your personality is gratingly bad anyways. There is nothing redeeming about you. And stop using such terrible comparisons. I'm certain at least 99% of people posting here are out of diapers. Even your comparison failed, and Zybez is no better, I can tell you that much.

 

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wonder if he's going to give her all his stuff in game before he goes to jail


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One word: Thailand.


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One word: Thailand.

 

What do a bunch of she-males have to do with this topic?

 

People get cut up, beaten, shot, but a case of rape by not consenting towards the end of sex is much, much worse.

 

Mighty worse off, eh?

 

Lol.

 

You'd never understand the emotional trauma because you're not a man, etc.


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I must say, quite bluntly, that some of the reactions on this thread chillingly resembles the reactions a young girl would face under the sharia-laws after a rape; "Doesn't matter if she was only 13 and that all her uncles raped her...she is a woman and therefor guilty."

 

- This has happened thousends of times in islamic countrys, and everytime the young innocent girl is the one that gets stoned or whipped to death while the disgusting men don't even get a slap on the wrist.

 

Are you guys certain you want to adopt that attitude? Then I pray to God this wont happen to one of your litle sisters, daughters or wifes or one of you. I can't imagine the lack of emphaty that they would get from either one of you.

 

I am appalled.


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I must say, quite bluntly, that some of the reactions on this thread chillingly resembles the reactions a young girl would face under the sharia-laws after a rape; "Doesn't matter if she was only 13 and that all her uncles raped her...she is a woman and therefor guilty."

 

- This has happened thousends of times in islamic countrys, and everytime the young innocent girl is the one that gets stoned or whipped to death while the disgusting men don't even get a slap on the wrist.

 

Are you guys certain you want to adopt that attitude? Then I pray to God this wont happen to one of your litle sisters, daughters or wifes or one of you. I can't imagine the lack of emphaty that they would get from either one of you.

 

I am appalled.

 

I must say, quite bluntly, that some of the reactions on this thread chillingly resembles the reactions of a condecending group of religious nuts after getting a fresh wiff of Jesus Juice; "doesn't matter that humans are evolving as a culture and biologically...she is 13 and is still a child.

 

- This has happened thousands of times in America, and everytime the young 'innocent" girl si the one that gets sex or flirted with while the older men have a good time.

 

Are you guys certain you want to adopt this attitude? Then I don't pray because it doesn't really do anything. I can't imagine the lack of accommodation skills that praying shows in a person.

 

I am appalled.

 

[100% honesty if this chick were my sister, I'd be more pissed at her for being [developmentally delayed]ed than him for being creepy]


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Alright, so we've got another case of Paedophilia via the internet. Obviously it is a horrible thing, the guy is despicable, you know, all of that necessary stuff. He can stay locked up for life for all I care about the bastard.

 

However, I'm quite amazed at the solid attitudes of some people here. I'm surprised that some of you cannot find even the TINIEST reason to give the girl even the TINIEST bit of blame. This was not a one man show, people. I realise it's been said countless times on previous pages, but she DID ALL BUT PUSH HERSELF AGAINST HIS [rooster].

 

Good God. She told him her name, where she lived, consented to meeting up, consented to SEX with the guy... Yeah, obviously it's a rape case and should indeed be treated as such. This is something that shouldn't happen, and I'm not saying she should be given a hefty punishment for being such an absolute [developmentally delayed]. The guy gets the punishment, the girl gets her own from her parents and via counselling.

 

But for all that is holy, how can a person not blame her in the slightest?! She gave the guy EVERYTHING he needed, and CONSENTED to all of it! Even the God damn sex! THREE TIMES! People so young CAN have their own opinions, make decisions, and have minds that work as any adult's does. It can be fairly rare to find one so young who has the thinking capability of an adult, sure, but it's possible. Just because she's thirteen doesn't mean this wasn't at least PARTIALLY her own fault.

 

Accept it, people. If she hadn't been to [developmentally delayed]ed then this wouldn't have happened. Honestly, today's youth isn't stupid enough to not know what would happen should they tell a fifty-four year old man so much about themselves, then meet them! Christ, people. Christ.


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Alright, so we've got another case of Paedophilia via the internet. Obviously it is a horrible thing, the guy is despicable, you know, all of that necessary stuff. He can stay locked up for life for all I care about the bastard.

 

However, I'm quite amazed at the solid attitudes of some people here. I'm surprised that some of you cannot find even the TINIEST reason to give the girl even the TINIEST bit of blame. This was not a one man show, people. I realise it's been said countless times on previous pages, but she DID ALL BUT PUSH HERSELF AGAINST HIS [rooster].

 

Good God. She told him her name, where she lived, consented to meeting up, consented to SEX with the guy... Yeah, obviously it's a rape case and should indeed be treated as such. This is something that shouldn't happen, and I'm not saying she should be given a hefty punishment for being such an absolute [developmentally delayed]. The guy gets the punishment, the girl gets her own from her parents and via counselling.

 

But for all that is holy, how can a person not blame her in the slightest?! She gave the guy EVERYTHING he needed, and CONSENTED to all of it! Even the God damn sex! THREE TIMES! People so young CAN have their own opinions, make decisions, and have minds that work as any adult's does. It can be fairly rare to find one so young who has the thinking capability of an adult, sure, but it's possible. Just because she's thirteen doesn't mean this wasn't at least PARTIALLY her own fault.

 

Accept it, people. If she hadn't been to [developmentally delayed]ed then this wouldn't have happened. Honestly, today's youth isn't stupid enough to not know what would happen should they tell a fifty-four year old man so much about themselves, then meet them! Christ, people. Christ.

You'll never understand the emotional trama she went through. Logic and blame have nothing to do with this, only pain...and what is love? Don't hurt her...no more.


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I must say, quite bluntly, that some of the reactions on this thread chillingly resembles the reactions a young girl would face under the sharia-laws after a rape; "Doesn't matter if she was only 13 and that all her uncles raped her...she is a woman and therefor guilty."

 

- This has happened thousends of times in islamic countrys, and everytime the young innocent girl is the one that gets stoned or whipped to death while the disgusting men don't even get a slap on the wrist.

 

Are you guys certain you want to adopt that attitude? Then I pray to God this wont happen to one of your litle sisters, daughters or wifes or one of you. I can't imagine the lack of emphaty that they would get from either one of you.

 

I am appalled.

 

I must say, quite bluntly, that some of the reactions on this thread chillingly resembles the reactions of a condecending group of religious nuts after getting a fresh wiff of Jesus Juice; "doesn't matter that humans are evolving as a culture and biologically...she is 13 and is still a child.

 

- This has happened thousands of times in America, and everytime the young 'innocent" girl si the one that gets sex or flirted with while the older men have a good time.

 

Are you guys certain you want to adopt this attitude? Then I don't pray because it doesn't really do anything. I can't imagine the lack of accommodation skills that praying shows in a person.

 

I am appalled.

 

[100% honesty if this chick were my sister, I'd be more pissed at her for being [developmentally delayed]ed than him for being creepy]

 

Really?

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I must say, quite bluntly, that some of the reactions on this thread chillingly resembles the reactions a young girl would face under the sharia-laws after a rape; "Doesn't matter if she was only 13 and that all her uncles raped her...she is a woman and therefor guilty."

 

- This has happened thousends of times in islamic countrys, and everytime the young innocent girl is the one that gets stoned or whipped to death while the disgusting men don't even get a slap on the wrist.

 

Are you guys certain you want to adopt that attitude? Then I pray to God this wont happen to one of your litle sisters, daughters or wifes or one of you. I can't imagine the lack of emphaty that they would get from either one of you.

 

I am appalled.

 

I must say, quite bluntly, that some of the reactions on this thread chillingly resembles the reactions of a condecending group of religious nuts after getting a fresh wiff of Jesus Juice; "doesn't matter that humans are evolving as a culture and biologically...she is 13 and is still a child.

 

- This has happened thousands of times in America, and everytime the young 'innocent" girl si the one that gets sex or flirted with while the older men have a good time.

 

Are you guys certain you want to adopt this attitude? Then I don't pray because it doesn't really do anything. I can't imagine the lack of accommodation skills that praying shows in a person.

 

I am appalled.

 

[100% honesty if this chick were my sister, I'd be more pissed at her for being [developmentally delayed]ed than him for being creepy]

 

Really?

Suppose the guy wanted more than sex. He could have easily killed him, his sister, and the rest of his family. Or raped them all. Or robbed them. Or all 3 if he felt like it.


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I must say, quite bluntly, that some of the reactions on this thread chillingly resembles the reactions a young girl would face under the sharia-laws after a rape; "Doesn't matter if she was only 13 and that all her uncles raped her...she is a woman and therefor guilty."

 

- This has happened thousends of times in islamic countrys, and everytime the young innocent girl is the one that gets stoned or whipped to death while the disgusting men don't even get a slap on the wrist.

 

Are you guys certain you want to adopt that attitude? Then I pray to God this wont happen to one of your litle sisters, daughters or wifes or one of you. I can't imagine the lack of emphaty that they would get from either one of you.

 

I am appalled.

 

I blame the halal meat that is being served against our will in restaurants.

 

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I must say, quite bluntly, that some of the reactions on this thread chillingly resembles the reactions a young girl would face under the sharia-laws after a rape; "Doesn't matter if she was only 13 and that all her uncles raped her...she is a woman and therefor guilty."

 

- This has happened thousends of times in islamic countrys, and everytime the young innocent girl is the one that gets stoned or whipped to death while the disgusting men don't even get a slap on the wrist.

 

Are you guys certain you want to adopt that attitude? Then I pray to God this wont happen to one of your litle sisters, daughters or wifes or one of you. I can't imagine the lack of emphaty that they would get from either one of you.

 

I am appalled.

 

I blame the halal meat that is being served against our will in restaurants.

 

Remember kids, say NO to invasive Islamic culture and vote Right.

 

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I must say, quite bluntly, that some of the reactions on this thread chillingly resembles the reactions a young girl would face under the sharia-laws after a rape; "Doesn't matter if she was only 13 and that all her uncles raped her...she is a woman and therefor guilty."

 

- This has happened thousends of times in islamic countrys, and everytime the young innocent girl is the one that gets stoned or whipped to death while the disgusting men don't even get a slap on the wrist.

 

Are you guys certain you want to adopt that attitude? Then I pray to God this wont happen to one of your litle sisters, daughters or wifes or one of you. I can't imagine the lack of emphaty that they would get from either one of you.

 

I am appalled.

 

I must say, quite bluntly, that some of the reactions on this thread chillingly resembles the reactions of a condecending group of religious nuts after getting a fresh wiff of Jesus Juice; "doesn't matter that humans are evolving as a culture and biologically...she is 13 and is still a child.

 

- This has happened thousands of times in America, and everytime the young 'innocent" girl si the one that gets sex or flirted with while the older men have a good time.

 

Are you guys certain you want to adopt this attitude? Then I don't pray because it doesn't really do anything. I can't imagine the lack of accommodation skills that praying shows in a person.

 

I am appalled.

 

[100% honesty if this chick were my sister, I'd be more pissed at her for being [developmentally delayed]ed than him for being creepy]

 

Really?

Suppose the guy wanted more than sex. He could have easily killed him, his sister, and the rest of his family. Or raped them all. Or robbed them. Or all 3 if he felt like it.

 

And that's where complete speculation comes in.


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I must say, quite bluntly, that some of the reactions on this thread chillingly resembles the reactions a young girl would face under the sharia-laws after a rape; "Doesn't matter if she was only 13 and that all her uncles raped her...she is a woman and therefor guilty."

 

- This has happened thousends of times in islamic countrys, and everytime the young innocent girl is the one that gets stoned or whipped to death while the disgusting men don't even get a slap on the wrist.

 

Are you guys certain you want to adopt that attitude? Then I pray to God this wont happen to one of your litle sisters, daughters or wifes or one of you. I can't imagine the lack of emphaty that they would get from either one of you.

 

I am appalled.

 

I must say, quite bluntly, that some of the reactions on this thread chillingly resembles the reactions of a condecending group of religious nuts after getting a fresh wiff of Jesus Juice; "doesn't matter that humans are evolving as a culture and biologically...she is 13 and is still a child.

 

- This has happened thousands of times in America, and everytime the young 'innocent" girl si the one that gets sex or flirted with while the older men have a good time.

 

Are you guys certain you want to adopt this attitude? Then I don't pray because it doesn't really do anything. I can't imagine the lack of accommodation skills that praying shows in a person.

 

I am appalled.

 

[100% honesty if this chick were my sister, I'd be more pissed at her for being [developmentally delayed]ed than him for being creepy]

 

Really?

Suppose the guy wanted more than sex. He could have easily killed him, his sister, and the rest of his family. Or raped them all. Or robbed them. Or all 3 if he felt like it.

 

And that's where complete speculation comes in.

True. But would you at least say it was her fault if something had happened to her mother?


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