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Theres a big difference between swearing in some situations ('oh [cabbage] I just died'), which wouldn't be reportable, and directing disgusting things at a person, which defineatly would. Just because the filter is togglable doesn't mean people can get away with saying anything they like. Previously the rules said that if something was blocked by the filter you shouldn't report it, mainly because if you did jagex would see stars in the evidence and wouldn't even know themselves what the person said.
With this update it's more likely that if you report something that was starred out jagex will now know exactly what they said, so for example if they're saying horrible things about a persons race or whatever, it's definetly worth reporting even if it is starred out. I would rather turn the filter off so I know exactly what people are saying around me, I'm an adult and I can handle a few swear words lol, if used in a non malicious way.
Anyone remember when 'damn' was censored? So if you saw 'oh ****' you didnt know if they were swearing or just saying something that was stupidly blocked, that's why I'll always have the filter off. 'urs' as in yours was another stupid one blocked for a long time. So what I'm saying is this can be a good and bad thing, depending on the maturity of the person.
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I know this wasn't aimed at me in any way shape or form, however i did want to pull you up on a few things...
1 - You can clearly see in the signature its a black female
2 - What if she feels strongly about her color of skin and sexuality, and wanted to show it in Rs?? "be whoever looks cool" you said? how do you know she doesn't find that Cool?
3 - I'm sure you know full well that Africa is not the only place that people with different color skins are from? I'm sure you Educated enough to realize that no matter where you are in the world you will never find a country with simply one color, one race or one ethnicity.
4 - And as for examples you used in relevant's to real life, you can get arrested and charged for offensive and racist remarks. So in a sense u can report them. Just with a phone and not with a big red button.


1 - yeah i no lol, edited it.
2 - so? i was black and a woman in the game and i got no abuse.
3 - obv, but unless u said u wer from ethiopia or zimbabwe then you wouldnt assume someones blacka nd it wouldnt pop up.
eg.
person 1: where are u from??
person 2: england
person 1: are u black, white, asian, indian, arab etc etc.

no that wouldnt happen. this might happen

person 1:where are u from???
person 2: mali
person 1: (assumes theyre black)

how could u ,misconstrue what i said that badly eh?

4 - yeah then report them, whatever. and yeah, but in real life u dont get arrested for that. because u dont phone the police on someone calling u white trash rofl!!

Hell i dont get how u get racist abuse because i dont and ive been black ingame for 3/4 years ffs!
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I will leave my filter turned off and report EVERYONE who makes offensive remarks.

IMHO, this "update" is a step backward.
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are you saying your a coloured woman in real life and that you emulate this when playing runescape? why are you a man in your signature that is white.. edit (your not lol)
i didnt even know people are racist towards characters in game lol! im not black irl but my char is cos it looks cool with bandos, but ive never had any racist comments lol!
surely unless your going round saying 'ohh im a coloured woman irl' you wont get abuse, and abuse for being a woman?? wtf!!! ive been a woman char aswell and id say i was a girl to anyone who asks, (made like 30m off it rofl), n i never got abuse for being a woman lol! like i always assume that girl characters are guys irl, because thats usually the way.

i honestly cant beleive that you get sexist racist commments lol!! anyway if thats an issue change your character, its not meant to look liek you irl. the whole point of this game is role playing, be whoever looks cool.

im actually laughing so hard at the thought of racism in rs. its kind of your own fault, u must declare your coloured because never have i had a conversation were people ask what colour u are, maybe what country u come from, but im educated guessing u dont come from africa. (i mean its harsh thers racism yeah, but i dont even no why u care its just 13 years olds.. everyones racist an homophbic and ginger hating etc at that age..

i think this is a wicked update, i hate not being able to swear or say feltching ROFL!
i dont see why u shud be able to report people for what they say anyway, unless they admit to botting or rw trading, u cant report people in real life that say stuff u dont like, and u cant put them on the ignore list either.

basically, id say suck it up if this update bothers u.

it actually makes people who dont wanna see swearing, less likely to..


You should see what people say more often, then.

I personally do not get any comments (i am the most generic looking character, ever) but I see racist comments about dark colored characters all the time. Even in the crowded as balls living rock caverns, people make fun of bots by calling them nerds. But if the bot is dark? A whole new can of worms.





The issue I have with the profanity filter is not the words being accessible, but the now widened scope of responsibility placed on the younger-generation players on being responsible for their actions. As mentioned earlier, the game consists of a lot of 13-year-old players ignorant players, but it seems like the emphasis on that aspect of ignorance is one in which the ignorance preceded playing runescape; that is, the 13-year old was ignorant and then began playing runescape, so his/her ignorant actions in the game are not a result of circumstances around playing runescape, but that of things in real life, say a bad household, the 13-year-old being dumb, poor parenting, etc.

It is not fair to make that assumption, however. The development of social skills and interpersonal relations depend on the frequency and type of all interactions that are experienced, and the interaction between players in a medium that does not give the threat of retaliation or personal responsibility further encourages that type of interaction. Because the 13-year-old period (puberty, middle school, high school) is a prime time for the development of aspects of self, especially pride and self esteem, interactions that lead to increases in those self-feelings will be sought out. That is, this is why 13-year olds are ignorant and offensive on the internet - They do it because it makes them feel better, and they won't get in trouble. While the development of self is an important aspect of growing up, development with which there is no retaliation encourages the development of an attitude that finds criticism in anything, and to say that being ignorant is just a "phase" is ignorant of the importance of social interaction during this developmental period. Rather, encouraging this behavior is encouraging it for the rest of their life, and this take-no-responsibility attitude eventually clashes when social standards change as the child grows up.

Because there is no policing factor to say, "no, this is a morally reprehensible thing to do" on the internet (in real life, you'd have your parents scold you or teach you otherwise), the only way to avoid this type of interaction is to not have it at all. While jagex has no obligation to have the filter, it is socially irresponsible to allow this type of behavior to occur.

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If you take anything said over the internet (and especially on a game) personally then LOL.
Really? They are probably ignorant 13 year olds. I really can't beleive anyone would take something like that to heart.


Let me guess -- you're a white male, with no children ...

Can't see how me having or not having children has anything to do with this, but alright. But you would be spot on. I might however add that i a South African and soon as people ask me where i am from my aswer is responded to with "OMFG you're AFRICAN?" Yeah it's annoying that people think there are only black people in Africa. But at the end of the day, you are black, i am white, and kids are [bleep]ed up. You really should not be taking things seriously. I can't understand why you would (unless you're shy of who you are).


"Mom – why did that person just ask you to [perform a sexual act upon him] and call you a [name related to the pigment of your skin]?" :unsure:

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If they spell out derogatory comments in a way that would be filted (should you choose to keep it on) it is not against the rules. Should you take off your filter, then deal with the consequences of your decision.


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sexism and racism, or discrimination of any kind are not allowed

so yes you can report them

however i wouldn't waste my time if i were in your shoes


Sadly -- this is the answer I am most afraid of ...

That is not a criticism of you, Bladewing, it is a concession that you're probably right. :(

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If you take anything said over the internet (and especially on a game) personally then LOL.
Really? They are probably ignorant 13 year olds. I really can't beleive anyone would take something like that to heart.


Let me guess -- you're a white male, with no children ...

Can't see how me having or not having children has anything to do with this, but alright. But you would be spot on. I might however add that i a South African and soon as people ask me where i am from my aswer is responded to with "OMFG you're AFRICAN?" Yeah it's annoying that people think there are only black people in Africa. But at the end of the day, you are black, i am white, and kids are [bleep]ed up. You really should not be taking things seriously. I can't understand why you would (unless you're shy of who you are).


"Mom – why did that person just ask you to [perform a sexual act upon him] and call you a [name related to the pigment of your skin]?" :unsure:

Yeah cause ofcourse your children either a) sit on your lat and watch you play Runescape or b) follow you around everywhere you go in Runescape.
And now explain to me what my race/gender has to do with anything? I think you're being a rather big hypocrit. Bringing MY race and MY gender into this. OMG this is so class. Haha.

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You should see what people say more often, then.

I personally do not get any comments (i am the most generic looking character, ever) but I see racist comments about dark colored characters all the time. Even in the crowded as balls living rock caverns, people make fun of bots by calling them nerds. But if the bot is dark? A whole new can of worms.



just no mate, just no.

of course i see what people say. i actually pay attention when i fish, cook, maging. and i have NEVER had anyone mention it at all, i get 30/40 beggars a day, never any abuse.

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If you take anything said over the internet (and especially on a game) personally then LOL.
Really? They are probably ignorant 13 year olds. I really can't beleive anyone would take something like that to heart.


Let me guess -- you're a white male, with no children ...

Can't see how me having or not having children has anything to do with this, but alright. But you would be spot on. I might however add that i a South African and soon as people ask me where i am from my aswer is responded to with "OMFG you're AFRICAN?" Yeah it's annoying that people think there are only black people in Africa. But at the end of the day, you are black, i am white, and kids are [bleep]ed up. You really should not be taking things seriously. I can't understand why you would (unless you're shy of who you are).


"Mom – why did that person just ask you to [perform a sexual act upon him] and call you a [name related to the pigment of your skin]?" :unsure:



Threaten to cancel your kids membership payments if they turn off the chat filter?

Parenting isnt very hard you know

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If they spell out derogatory comments in a way that would be filted (should you choose to keep it on) it is not against the rules. Should you take off your filter, then deal with the consequences of your decision.
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I see. So, you think I should just toggle the filter to "off" and let those people who hurl derogatory remarks at me go unchallenged?

Tell me -- do you think racism is a behavioural or inherited human trait?

Just wondering ...

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If they spell out derogatory comments in a way that would be filted (should you choose to keep it on) it is not against the rules. Should you take off your filter, then deal with the consequences of your decision.
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I see. So, you think I should just toggle the filter to "off" and let those people who hurl derogatory remarks at me go unchallenged?

Tell me -- do you think racism is a behavioural or inherited human trait?

Just wondering ...


Lets see didnt you just call that guys opinion invalid because his sex and race is different from yours.

Was that learned or natural? Im going with natural.


but with what I said before, keep chat filter on at all times and does what you dont see bother you - say they were sexist or racist?

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If they spell out derogatory comments in a way that would be filted (should you choose to keep it on) it is not against the rules. Should you take off your filter, then deal with the consequences of your decision.
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I see. So, you think I should just toggle the filter to "off" and let those people who hurl derogatory remarks at me go unchallenged?

Tell me -- do you think racism is a behavioural or inherited human trait?

Just wondering ...

This would be a good time to step down and let the thread die. Making a fool of yourself tbh :shame:

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As a woman, and in particular a woman of colour, I tend to draw certain unwanted comments aimed at me which are directed at both my gender and my race.

Nonetheless, this new "Profanity" filter is going to very likely open an entirely new "can of worms". If I toggle the Profanity filter off, I suspect that the filter will"star out" the likely racially derogatory and sexist remarks which could possibly be aimed at me.

If I toggle the filter on, then the sexist, sexually degrading and racist remarks will likely "show up" in the chat.

Question:

Should I even bother to report it?


You have it the wrong way. If the filter is on, it will remain starred out. End of problem. If any of them now attempt to circumvent that "on" condition and are verbally hitting you, go ahead and fire up the report abuse if you've a mind to. Not that it'll do much anyway. I get wisecracks about gender plenty i.e. "go back to the kitchen" "want to be my gf" "there are no girls on the interwebs" and personally, I just shrug it off. It's been 10 years and this has been the attitude around for a long time. What else to expect from a game populated by kids having fun by running wild? Though I do get a touch more satisfaction after I disembowel them if they say that while I'm pking. Heheheh.

This opens no can of worms. That's just making a mountain out of a molehill.
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sexism and racism, or discrimination of any kind are not allowed

so yes you can report them

however i wouldn't waste my time if i were in your shoes


Sadly -- this is the answer I am most afraid of ...

That is not a criticism of you, Bladewing, it is a concession that you're probably right. :(


dunno if ur referring to jagex not responding or peoples attitude not changing....

but if itz got to do with jagex, u might aswell bother. im fairly sure they respond to most reports as ive been muted for saying 'omg wat r u, like 10'

im sure if they act on that theyll acct on an actual insult.

anyways if i was u id just be like, yeah whatever??? most people in the west want to be black lol. whoi cares what some uber nerd 13 year old thats playing rs instead of learning things for real..

thats what id be like i would. lol..

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If you take anything said over the internet (and especially on a game) personally then LOL.
Really? They are probably ignorant 13 year olds. I really can't beleive anyone would take something like that to heart.


Let me guess -- you're a white male, with no children ...

Can't see how me having or not having children has anything to do with this, but alright. But you would be spot on. I might however add that i a South African and soon as people ask me where i am from my aswer is responded to with "OMFG you're AFRICAN?" Yeah it's annoying that people think there are only black people in Africa. But at the end of the day, you are black, i am white, and kids are [bleep]ed up. You really should not be taking things seriously. I can't understand why you would (unless you're shy of who you are).


"Mom – why did that person just ask you to [perform a sexual act upon him] and call you a [name related to the pigment of your skin]?" :unsure:

Yeah cause ofcourse your children either a) sit on your lat and watch you play Runescape or b) follow you around everywhere you go in Runescape.
And now explain to me what my race/gender has to do with anything? I think you're being a rather big hypocrit. Bringing MY race and MY gender into this. OMG this is so class. Haha.


Your scope and vision is particularly narrow and self-centered. You think that the world is easily ignored and has no bearing on you or the people around you, except for those aspects that you demand are of importance.

You've never had anyone make a comment about your gender, and then follow it up with an aggressive gesture that you found physically threatening.

You've never had anyone make a comment about your skin colour, and then follow it up with an aggressive gesture that you found physically threatening.

You're without a care in the world or a consideration for another person.

You're clearly male, single, young and white.

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Don't like 'bad' words? Turn the filter on.
You don't mind? Turn it off.
Report people who are offensive.

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Bad words can be used legitimately. Why should I turn on a filter which not only blocks "bad" words used in context but also regular dictionary words just because they or a part of it looks/sound like a possible swear? I stand by that the main 4 letter swear should still be blocked.

then leave your filter on

ain't hard, folks.


The question isn't whether or not to leave the filter on/off -- the question is whether or not I should report someone for saying: "[Perform a sexually degrading act on me, you female individual product of inter-racial heritage] ..."
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Why wouldn't you report them o_O

Theres a big difference between swearing in some situations ('oh [cabbage] I just died'), which wouldn't be reportable, and directing disgusting things at a person, which defineatly would. Just because the filter is togglable doesn't mean people can get away with saying anything they like. Previously the rules said that if something was blocked by the filter you shouldn't report it, mainly because if you did jagex would see stars in the evidence and wouldn't even know themselves what the person said.
With this update it's more likely that if you report something that was starred out jagex will now know exactly what they said, so for example if they're saying horrible things about a persons race or whatever, it's definetly worth reporting even if it is starred out. I would rather turn the filter off so I know exactly what people are saying around me, I'm an adult and I can handle a few swear words lol, if used in a non malicious way.
Anyone remember when 'damn' was censored? So if you saw 'oh ****' you didnt know if they were swearing or just saying something that was stupidly blocked, that's why I'll always have the filter off. 'urs' as in yours was another stupid one blocked for a long time. So what I'm saying is this can be a good and bad thing, depending on the maturity of the person.


Actually, my favorite part about that was how, during the time when the word "damn" was censored, they had the word "damn" in the monkey madness dialoque, in a cutscene between Awowogei and one of whathisfacebadgnomewhosummonsdemons minion.

Oh and lol at the last post >.<

Yes, I realize how bad it is in real life, but over the internet it just sounds funny, sorry >_<

Anyhoo, I don't see why you shouldn't report them. I'm still quite happy with this though. Because really, no matter how hard we work on the censor, unless everyone is limited to QC people can still say offensive things. (Kill blacks. Heck, you can say that in game context talking about dragons.) And short of limiting people to QC, people can still find ways to swear around the censor. On the other hand, your going to run into many scenarios where regular conversation gets hindered by the censor. This doesn't mean you shouldn't report people for saying offensive things.

You know, this is just optimism here, but with any luck you'll run into less of that, because if a person says [bleep] me you [racist term], they'll hopefully say it without trying to bypass the filter; whereas if you keep it on, you won't see it. Just like you didn't see what I actually typed here.

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Your scope and vision is particularly narrow and self-centered. You think that the world is easily ignored and has no bearing on you or the people around you, except for those aspects that you demand are of importance.

You've never had anyone make a comment about your gender, and then follow it up with an aggressive gesture that you found physically threatening.

You've never had anyone make a comment about your skin colour, and then follow it up with an aggressive gesture that you found physically threatening.

You're without a care in the world or a consideration for another person.

You're clearly male, single, young and white.


Look miss, you are calling for political correctness yet you keep proclaiming someones opinion is inferior to yours because of their marital status, gender and race, (and age but this one is the most warranted out of the list)

Can you finish this argument without attacking the the things that make him different from you? Can you argue the point without pointing out his race and gender? You are appearing to be the racist and sexist among us.

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Your scope and vision is particularly narrow and self-centered. You think that the world is easily ignored and has no bearing on you or the people around you, except for those aspects that you demand are of importance.

You've never had anyone make a comment about your gender, and then follow it up with an aggressive gesture that you found physically threatening.

You've never had anyone make a comment about your skin colour, and then follow it up with an aggressive gesture that you found physically threatening.

You're without a care in the world or a consideration for another person.

You're clearly male, single, young and white.



yeah so!!!

ive been mugged and punched for being white so now actually stfu!

hav u ever been punched, doubt it, cos ur a girl!!! ther stfu, girls dont get punched as much wanna say im being sexist? there are differences between men and women yeah, so just stop being so annoying an allow it. u think that everyone that isnt a black mother has no problems?!?!

grow up man, ur the one not living in the real world, blind or wateva. everyone gets diss sometimes, take it.

i cannot beleive u assume that being white stops me from getting racist attacks man...

dont even no wat u want?? are u ranting about general racism or what?

edit: lol at people that get pysically aggressive at u for being a woman, unless theyr gna rape u. ive never heard of anything like that happening.

i dunno man, ur making out like everythings really harsh and hard but end of the day ur not living in squallor with no food or water. hells uve even got bare free time to spend on an online game when you ahve kids?!! lol

so please stop calling me a clueless white male or whatever lolll

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If you take anything said over the internet (and especially on a game) personally then LOL.
Really? They are probably ignorant 13 year olds. I really can't beleive anyone would take something like that to heart.


Let me guess -- you're a white male, with no children ...

Can't see how me having or not having children has anything to do with this, but alright. But you would be spot on. I might however add that i a South African and soon as people ask me where i am from my aswer is responded to with "OMFG you're AFRICAN?" Yeah it's annoying that people think there are only black people in Africa. But at the end of the day, you are black, i am white, and kids are [bleep]ed up. You really should not be taking things seriously. I can't understand why you would (unless you're shy of who you are).


"Mom – why did that person just ask you to [perform a sexual act upon him] and call you a [name related to the pigment of your skin]?" :unsure:

Yeah cause ofcourse your children either a) sit on your lat and watch you play Runescape or b) follow you around everywhere you go in Runescape.
And now explain to me what my race/gender has to do with anything? I think you're being a rather big hypocrit. Bringing MY race and MY gender into this. OMG this is so class. Haha.


Your scope and vision is particularly narrow and self-centered. You think that the world is easily ignored and has no bearing on you or the people around you, except for those aspects that you demand are of importance.

You've never had anyone make a comment about your gender, and then follow it up with an aggressive gesture that you found physically threatening.

You've never had anyone make a comment about your skin colour, and then follow it up with an aggressive gesture that you found physically threatening.

You're without a care in the world or a consideration for another person.

You're clearly male, single, young and white.

Thats 0 -2.
You know nothing about my background so how the hell do you feel so free to just go ahead and assume any of the things you just mentioned. According to the post you just made you sound like you must know me pretty damn well and as a matter of fact you don't know a god damn thing about me. I've had BLACK FEMALES make comments on the fact that i am a WHITE MALE and guess what? This was in real life, not a [bleep]ing internet game. Jesus are you just trolling or are you really this petty?




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